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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 15 2012 17:29 GMT
#134
/in
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 17 2012 15:56 GMT
#498
No matter how much I think about it, Drazerk's successful shooting says nothing about his alignment. It is a reasonable approach for almost every faction except for town, and town is the faction most prone to take unreasonable approaches to the game.

What I find more interesting is the fact that he claims to be third party. No matter how you look at it, the only faction I can possibly think of benefitting from being thought of as third party is mafia. It is strictly inefficient for town to be thought of as third party as that will lead to an eventual lynch of that person, you cannot go into situation where one lynch will lose the game carrying a claimed third party on your back. This is however perfectly acceptable for someone who just wants to extend his life cycle for a while, ie: mafia.

I guess it is also possible that he is indeed a third party and is trying to make an alliance with us, but it seems very unlikely as most third parties tend to be at severe disadvantage when they get figured out.

In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then.

This is why I don't believe his claim, I think Drazerk is scum and I want to lynch him. I guess I can't say I disbelieve his role claim as the flavor fits, however I do disbelieve his alignment claim.

##Vote Drazerk
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 18 2012 08:33 GMT
#661
Why are people giving me their votes?
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 18 2012 12:37 GMT
#679
On March 18 2012 19:58 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 18 2012 19:48 Drazerk wrote:
On March 18 2012 19:46 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 18 2012 19:35 Drazerk wrote:
JayJay - Anger core is used up on use
If I am leading in votes by lynch time I will be passing the guns to someone I believe will screw the town the most
When I flip I am going to laugh at you


Your threats show, how much of a liability to town you are. You are willing to screw town over just to fullfil your wincon. We can't leave you alive.

Why would you laugh at me? I believe you are third and am completely willing to lynch you, even if everything you say is true.


I am only a threat to town if you are a threat to me. Leave me alone and we will be fine.


thems terrorist words

I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

to my fellow townies let me explain situation to you
[spioler]
[image loading]

[bigAs we can clearly see, Drazerk is a terrorist, and he's trying to hold town hostage. Your hero is me, blzinghand!!!!

Drazerk is like full of terrorising and only gets his power from making us fear. We mus tbe like spock and remove our minds from fear!

DO not negotiate with terrorist

lynch drazerk D1 or ther terrorists win


I agree with this guy lol.

It's simple Drazerk is scum
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 18 2012 19:25 GMT
#817
In order to defend myself, Foolishness, you must provide something I can defend against. Your sole complaint was that I used many words to say very little, and well... if that's your criteria for scumhunting I guess I must be scum. I tried to openly explain my thought process behind disbelieveing Drazerk's claim, and I still do think he will flip scum and not 3rd party or some other faction.

Just think about it for a little while, what is the point of having a third party in the game that town does not want/need to get rid of? the chances of there being such a third party are very little. It would also make for a very uninteresting role, as that person's best interest is to claim day1 and then just play whatever minigame they're in.

No, the only people it makes sense for to claim such a third party are mafia.

I will be voting Blazinghand into office. His explanation of the drazerk situation was both correct and funny.

When Drazerk flips scum, we will lynch with imputiny anyone who tried to actively push the idea that he couldn't be scum because of how he played.

##Elect Blazinghand
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 18 2012 22:38 GMT
#899
Voted blazinghand, thought i already had, posting on phone

Bh looks far more town than velinath.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 10:16 GMT
#1026
We lynch Foolishness tomorrow.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=47499&currentpage=All

I thought I recalled him trolling a game with a posting restriction like that some time ago, and I was right. In this game he basically faked a posting restriction as scum. It's an easy way to troll the thread and create pointless discussion.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 11:45 GMT
#1030
On March 19 2012 19:59 Zephirdd wrote:
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On March 19 2012 19:16 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
We lynch Foolishness tomorrow.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=47499&currentpage=All

I thought I recalled him trolling a game with a posting restriction like that some time ago, and I was right. In this game he basically faked a posting restriction as scum. It's an easy way to troll the thread and create pointless discussion.


Worst omgus ever.

posting from phone, cant multiquote. Will answer gonzaw's questions(mostly) in about 8hrs or so. Id appreciate if you could condense it all on a recent post btw.

imo should only care about not reaching lv5 on dengine.


Hardly an omgus, more like a pretty clear observation.

If that's your criteria for scumhunting I hope to play scum in a game with you sometime, so I can just call everyone scum, and then accuse people of omgusing.

Or do you just not like it that I bring to light something like this? It's not like your own posts have been radiating green.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 12:35 GMT
#1032
Do you actually think it's a posting restriction? Those are very, very rare.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 12:44 GMT
#1034
Problem with restrictions is that they're just boring to play with. Both personality mafia and later PTP games have forbidden harsh restrictions on the content people post.

It seems very unlikely that it's a real restriction.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 12:54 GMT
#1036
Yes but it's also meant to be a fun game. Being forced to post in a certain way takes away from creativity while adding items, roles, factions increases the depth of the game (but maybe not it's competitiveness).

Anyway, it's a pointless discussion, either people buy the restriction or they don't. I don't.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 16:14 GMT
#1051
I actually have a pretty strong town read on BH at the moment.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 16:50 GMT
#1059
The best way to deal with people not posting or attempting to skirt by is to shoot them when there are so many of them. The difference between people who don't post much is very little, and it's almost a given that mafia can push the lynch off their lurker onto another one. A vigilante shot is much less... emotional and involved.

Ready your guns gentlemen.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 16:51 GMT
#1060
With that last post I was opposing the idea of defaulting to lynching a lurker tomorrow, we have 53 pages of information to deal work with, and more to come.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 19:08 GMT
#1104
Here's the deal. I'm reading now that Grackaroni intends to shoot me tonight.

When I flip town, do NOT let him get away with it. There is absolutely no excuse for taking a shot at a townie in this situation, especially someone like me who is at least trying to keep the discussion moving.

Depending on how Grackaroni plays this out we should probably lynch him anyway. I understand that I was unavailable over the weekend and with a low amount of posts I'm an easy target to go for, but I think that now I've proven I can be an asset to this town, the fact that he's still thinking about shooting me is pretty incriminating.

I haven't been the model townie, so maybe it requires my flip. But if Grack shoots me, DO NOT LET HIM SHRUG IT OFF. I am not "just a bad townie".
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 19:09 GMT
#1106
Also, the fact Grack is also going for Blazinghand, someone I have a pretty strong town read on bothers me a lot.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 19 2012 19:19 GMT
#1120
On March 20 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
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On March 20 2012 04:08 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Here's the deal. I'm reading now that Grackaroni intends to shoot me tonight.

When I flip town, do NOT let him get away with it. There is absolutely no excuse for taking a shot at a townie in this situation, especially someone like me who is at least trying to keep the discussion moving.

Depending on how Grackaroni plays this out we should probably lynch him anyway. I understand that I was unavailable over the weekend and with a low amount of posts I'm an easy target to go for, but I think that now I've proven I can be an asset to this town, the fact that he's still thinking about shooting me is pretty incriminating.

I haven't been the model townie, so maybe it requires my flip. But if Grack shoots me, DO NOT LET HIM SHRUG IT OFF. I am not "just a bad townie".


I defended you quite a bit, but this post is bad and OMGUS. Why would you assume that Grack is scum, just because he thinks you are? You're not exactly townie.


Because it's strictly bad to shoot me tonight. If I die it'll literally be only to kill discussion. I'm one of the few people actively posting.

I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around. If I die, please remember what I said about Blazinghand tonight, consider my flip not a confirmation, but a strong indicator that I'm right and he's town.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 21 2012 01:50 GMT
#1310
I'm not scum.
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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 21 2012 09:10 GMT
#1341
You people need to wake up and smell the coffee, look at this wagon on me, it's got the nisani/sinani twins, paperscraps and Grackaroni.

Now, you can thank me later, but I bring you someone who will actually flip scum.

kitaman27

Of all the things he's done this is the most telling one:

On March 19 2012 05:58 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 19 2012 05:24 gonzaw wrote:
Ehm, so what do you think about Foolishness rhymes?
Do you think they are a legit post restriction or bullshit?


They are rather (Z)Curious. (P)Another game comes to (T)Mind. To be (T)Frank, I'm (T)Always suspicious of people (T)WhO hope to mislead us with (T)Major distractions such as these. (P)Food5


I hope you notice that he's pointing out exactly the same thing as I did, that foolishness was feigning a posting restriction. The difference being in that I actually drew a conclusion from it, while kitaman just flutters around the issue, really making it nothing more than just a contentless post.

If foolishness was scum, this makes sense as Kita would not want to draw too much attention, but someone would definitely call him out on it at some point, not having noticed the similarities. Even if I was wrong and foolishness was town, Kita would most certainly not want to call him out too hard because he'd be fearing the consequences of such an action.

Softly pointing it out and never again mentioning it is only optimal play for scum-kita.

Here:

On March 19 2012 07:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Just read through blazing and Velinath's filters.

Looking at his zelblade analysis, I scratch my head and wonder if a scum player could really come up with a case that crazy. I'm confused by his insitance that cyber is scum based on his lack of posts, but his anti-terrorist stance is more than enough to win me back over.

Playing with him as scum in Resistance, he was pretty aggressive and he openly pushed his objectives. This was the only post that set off any alarms, I'd be interested in hearing his reasoning for discreditting Gonzaw.

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On March 17 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Anybody who thinks seriously about electing Gonzaw should take some time to seriously consider what they're doing with their lives.


Vel's posts have been pretty reasonable. Nothing groundbreaking, but I like his comment about wanting to control the outed third party for his kp, even if its a bad idea. He is pretty open with sharing his opinion and seems to get annoyed by things from a town midframe.

I can't say I favor one player over the other, which isn't very helpful being the deciding vote, but I'll go with Velinath.


I removed a picture from that post to keep it readable.

Notice once again the soft and indecisive tone from kitaman. He really does not want to be a major factor in the game. He basically writes this post to reach no conclusion while quietly pushing the Velinath candidate. I'm not sure on Velinath's alignment yet, but I am completely 100% certain that Blazinghand was town, which is why I voted him into office.

On March 21 2012 02:58 kitaman27 wrote:
In regards to the Black Market, I'd suggest reading through the relevant posts from Insane 2. Each faction had to acquire a certain amount of currency to purchase a game breaking ability. Be careful when giving a certain amount of money to a certain faction. Additionally, does the black market use a quicktopic? As the mafia and sleeper cell leader probably have access, there is no reason for the town to not be able to read what is going on periodically as well. Being able to identify certain posting habits may lead us to their identities.

Blazinghand getting shot over Velinath somewhat confuses me. Why is the runner up getting shot, rather than the player who has access to distributing pro-town powers among the members of town?

The only reason I can think of Kenpachi having a GMarshal fake claim would be if he is the third party planar dragon. If that is the case, I don't think he should be today's lynch as we already used yesterday to eliminate a third party player.

MidnightGladius, why are you claiming vanilla town day one? Was it simply an attempt to be elected?

I'll mention my annoyance at the no flip again because I like to complain.

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On March 19 2012 22:30 Sbrubbles wrote:
On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote:
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread

I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could.


@Veli, can you tell us what items are for sale? There's reason to suspect there are 5 (well, now 4) portal guns around, which (if we believe Drazerk) show what items a person has. If someone is found to have one item from this list, it would be a good lead for town.


Could you explain what you mean here Sbrubbles? Also, who are you suspicious of right now, besides kenpachi? A lot of your focus this game is on mechanics, rather than scum hunting.

I'm considering the following people for lynch today:

Mr. Wiggles

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On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:
3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument


Draz flat out claims that Wiggles has a different alignment as him and Wiggles completely ignores this. I know from my perspective, that if someone tells the thread that I'm scum or third party that I'm going to be refuting the claim 100% and going hard after him. When posting his reasoning for voting, he hardly even references draz's bizzare claim.

In fact, at one point, he even starts to back off the lynch:

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On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim.


Are you really willing to give a pass to a player who essentially claims they used an item to prove that you are scum? You argue that a kp might be better, but that is one less kp the mafia have to worry about and if no one shoots him or draz survives the hit, then we get to waste another day dealing with him. You buy his rage core claim after he claims to use an investigative item on you making you look bad? In addition, you never suggest an alternative for the lynch.

When sharing his few reads that he does provide, he always gives reasons that make a player look good and bad, rather than committing strongly one way or another. The strongest read he does provide is a null read.

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On March 18 2012 04:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
gonzaw, so far I think that you're asking a lot of questions and posting actively, which is good. However, you're somewhat inundating the thread with them, and that means that a lot of them end up unanswered or forgotten.


Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 06:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On Zephird:

I don't like his early posting, as it mostly consists of spam and commentary. After that, though, it actually picks up a fair bit.


Rather than openly share his opinion, he has to be questioned.
Today he hasn't provided any suggestions for the day two lynch.


Bluelightz

The cases Bluelightz have provided us are essentially summaries, rather than analysis. He mentions that sinani is lurking, and quotes all three of cwave's posts, but doesn't explain why these things make them scum. In the town games I've read through, he is just as spammy, but at least he is willing to openly share his opinion.

Today he wants to lynch sinani who is apparently already marked for death and kenpachi for not explaining his role (which he states is not allowed). How can kenpachi be his number one lynch candidate if he hasn't even read through his filter?

As far as his opinions, they completely lack resolve. He likes wiggles for mayor, but switches off as soon draz paints him in bad light. He argues that draz is a threat to the town, but doesn't even vote for him in the end.

blubbdavid

I would be less willing to lynch him than the above two, but I thought he was worth mentioning anyway.

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On March 19 2012 03:00 blubbdavid wrote:
Rule of thumb: blubbdavid posts little or only crap = blubbdavid is town


Why are you trying to use anti-town behavior to enforce the idea that you are town? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't done anything but spam the thread? I know you are somewhat competent based on your play in Newbie V, so why have all your posts been a bunch of one liners without sharing your opinions?


Continuing into day 2, kita is doing his best "I don't matter" impression. But hey, town expects him to actually push lynches today, because that's the pro-town thing to do. So how can kita keep having no influence over the thread while maintaining the illusion he's actually posting soemthing of value?

Simple, just post a weak analysis on three random players. If I'm right and kita flips scum it doesn't even clear any of them because Kita's follow-up to this push has been so weak, so flailing, that there has never been any risk of any of them being lynched. And kita is hardly pushing his reads.




In conclusion, I think kitaman is basically doing everything he can to remain useless in the game while appearing to be doing some work of any kind of value.

My vote is going for kitaman27 today, yours should too.

##Vote kitaman27

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Dirk Hardpec
Profile Joined March 2012
United States73 Posts
March 21 2012 10:50 GMT
#1346
On March 21 2012 18:38 zelblade wrote:
Dirk, I dont agree with your read on kitaman and I need to reread his filter after doing some work to come to a better conclusion.

What I would like to know is what you think of bluelightz. Considering that hes on the chopping block together with you, shouldnt you have some actual thoughts on him?

Also the fact that you have been OMGUSing pretty hard is making me suspicious of you. First on Foolishness, whose case was weak and based off thin air, and probably more of a joke if your really are smurfing, and next on grackoni who wanted to shoot you. Besides your claim of driving discussion is pretty lolzy especially if you are town, since in that case most of the discussion you are supposedly driving is in the wrong way. I dont think you are a half bad shot, and find your omgus pretty bad.


I don't think Bluelightz is scum. I think he's an easy target that gets pushed into a position to be lynched every game because he is always very vague and irrational in his play. But he seems to be posting without fear, so that at least is pretty townie.

And if you need to lynch a townie to learn that attacking people who attack you for no reason is not a scumtell, be my guest. What do you expect me to do when one of the strongest town players on TL mafia hides behind a posting restriction, and then decides to attack me with nothing to back it up? Do you think I should not explain why he's scum because of it because I should be afraid of OMGUS-ing?

I don't actually care if people voted me or not. If I think someone does something that's not justifiable, I will call them out, even at the risk of looking like I'm just attacking whoever attacks me. I mostly put the speech up on Grackaroni this night to scare him away from shooting me, as I have a decent role that can be very helpful. I'm not sure on Grack's alignment, depending on if his claim that he wanted to shoot me and couldn't is true or false.

At this point I'm an easy excuse for mafia/third party to kill because alot of people want my head. I'm not about to hang quietly today, even if everyone is a giant derp and actually lynches me, at least my flip will provide heated arguments and mafia is going to have to push really hard for it. I'm not going to die easy, so bring it on scum.
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