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 On March 01 2012 12:46 Adam4167 wrote: The only person in this game that I know zero about would be Snarfs, everyone else ive read/played at least one game of/with. I don't think you are a smurf, since your account is over a year old, but whats your story? Are you new to TL mafia? or new to forum mafia in general? Is this your first game? Figured I'd take these questions and give a little more information about myself too so that you know what you can expect of me. Yes, I am new to TL mafia, forum mafia in general and this is my first game. Over about the last week and a half I've read/skimmed through quite a few games - I recognize most of the names in this game - and most of the guides as well. I'm really excited for the challenge presented by forum mafia, especially the behaviour (spelt with a 'u') analysis as I studied psych for a couple years at UBC. As for my timetable -> I live on the west coast and can only really not post when I'm sleeping as my job requires me to be in front of a computer all day anyways; however, while I'm at work (regularish working hours) I may have to stop replying in the middle of a conversation if I need to take care of something but I will always come back to respond. ------------------ Now, to the game at hand: One thing I haven't quite picked up on in my readings is what sorts of things to talk about to get the ball rolling. Policy lynches seem like a common topic, but in the end it seems to come down to lynching whoever the most scummy person is, whether they're a lurker, a liar, both, or neither. Yes? | ||
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On March 01 2012 13:23 Bluelightz wrote: Well, Snarfs responding to your question Policy Lynches end up like this (I'll use LA-Lurkers as an example) A: *Lurks* *Enact Policy* People : A is lurking Lynch him! Anyway, what your saying is analysis, we deduce who is the most scummy in the thread through analysis and lynch him/her at the end of the day. Yes, I understood that, but my point was that analysis can (should?) include lurking and lying. Of course, you would need to differentiate between "lurking" and "afking" while assuming as little as possible which I imagine is a difficult but not always impossible task. | ||
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Is the SK more likely to be of benefit to the town or the mafia during the beginning, middle, and late parts of the game and why? What's his mindset? Is it right to assume he is trying to kill players with KP first? In case you're wondering my motives for asking the question: Understanding each role's motives/mindset helps to uncover the players assuming these roles. Mafia and town are fairly obvious, but I still don't know about the SK (aside from the destroy all humans factor). Also, feel free to berate me for asking such a question. I'm still learning and it'd be good to know if this is not something I should be asking. | ||
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On March 02 2012 04:16 sandroba wrote: Pandain is likely scum because of his entry in the thread. Somehow he is tired to post anything productive, but not tired enough to make a fake contribution saying doing something to get the thread going is wrong. Unlike probulous which I believe was trying to somehow produce content, his post is exactly what he accuses probulous of doing, which is posting with no purpose just to appear to be contributing. Town has no reason to do that and suggest nothing better to discuss. ##Vote: Pandain I don't think this is reason enough to vote Pandain. He's calling Prob out on talking about where people live and saying "hey is anyone here?" (Pandain's quote, not mine). He's not calling him out for talking about things like policy or how to catch scum. Plus, if you look at TL Mafia XXXVIII where he rolls town-side he makes a similar post: On April 09 2011 08:10 Pandain wrote: Alright broskis, let's get some things straight. 1.No Spam To paraphrase Ver, to spam is almost as bad as being useless, sometimes even more so. In fact, I will probably be either lynching a "inactive" or a very spammy person. I have no idea how town nearly won last game(Insane mafia.) That game was a shitfest, and seriously analysis was a drop of water in the desert there. You don't need to share every thought you have. Just don't be inactive, and don't post 70x the amount in a LR thread, and you'll be good. Why are you so quick to jump on him for posting something that typifies his town play? | ||
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Not enought reason to lynch him. (Rather than vote in my first sentence). | ||
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A) It didn't seem like enough reason to lynch somebody based on the quote I gave and B) Based on the lynch rules, it seems like we have to be a bit more careful with throwing around votes without gathering as much info as possible. I could be mistaken on B though, and if I am I would appreciate you letting me know. To follow up though, what part of the rest of the quote in that game which I left out changes the context of what he was saying? | ||
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On March 02 2012 10:19 Bluelightz wrote: I could see Pandain as scum, I'll explain later, I can't explain now cuz I got school work tho. Seems you've decided Paper is more scummy, but I'd still like to hear an explanation for this one. | ||
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I've noted the defence of Paper, namely that posting short lists of players with little analysis is something he just does. That being said, something else he does is back up his votes with some reasoning. So far, his reasoning for voting deconduo is: deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed. Furthermore, Paperscraps' vote for deconduo came shortly after Palmar was grilling him, making him a seemingly easier target to jump on. The combination of the lack of reasoning and the fact that Palmar was grilling dec makes me think that Paper was trying to hop on a wagon while it was forming. | ||
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##Vote Sandroba I'll give a longer(ish) post later, before the day ends. I'm leaving work now and want to make sure that if I get stuck in traffic or anything at least this gets in. | ||
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First off, I didn't like Sandroba's vote on Pandain that early in the day with such terrible reasoning. To paraphrase: "I notice subtleties, that's how I hunt scum". If that's the case, why don't you point out the subtleties for me? I wouldn't be offended. Second, as Probulous mentioned, he doesn't seem to care. This is a stark contrast to previous games I've looked through where he is town. Finally, I will put my trust in some of the more experienced members of this game, especially when it adds up with other things I'm noticing. If Palmar says someone is scum and I have a scummy feeling about them, vs if someone else says someone is scum and I have a scummy feeling about them, it's going to weigh differently and I don't see any point in denying it. That being said, I also have to be more wary of people like Palmar because I am putting a little more faith in them. Anyways, it's 7:00 now so should see the results before I post more.... | ||
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I agree that it's highly unlikely that AKCT can come up with an explanation that isn't too complicated to be believable. At this point, no matter what he says, the most likely case is that he's a killer. On March 05 2012 00:57 deconduo wrote: What is the mafia KP formula? Did anyone take a hit last night? If not, its not unreasonable to think that rg was hit twice. I highly doubt that the anti-town KP is only 1. While mafia doublestacking RG is unlikely, its possible both SK and mafia went after him independently. However until I hear ACKT come up with an explanation, ##Vote A Killer Cup of Tea Assuming Pandain is a watcher unless he claims otherwise, would he not have seen more than one person visiting rgTS if there was more than one person hitting him? If he's a tracker this might work. On March 04 2012 18:07 Paperscraps wrote: Honestly this is very believable. AKCT has played a scummy game so far. AKCT needs to claim a role though, before we proceed with anything. Why's that? Is he your scumbuddy and you want to give him an out? | ||
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Now I'm about to go to bed, but I did come across something interesting in my reread. Maybe it's something for you guys to discuss. Before rgTS was killed, he was one of the only people pushing a vote on Pandain. Then, afterwards, Pandain causes a bunch of drama that, while throwing the spotlight on himself, also provides the perfect timing for him to say something along the lines of: "There's no way I could do this as mafia. Not a single way." Then, he goes back to pushing a lynch on TheToast, who was another person to push for him. When he fails to garner support for that, he switches to Bluelightz, an easy target because he hasn't posted very much... but maybe that's just what Bluelightz does... he is a hard read as several people have mentioned before. Take this as you will. I know I need to sleep on it and have a look again in the morning before casting my vote. | ||
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I don't have enough of a read on Pandain yet, but he's on my watch list. He's saying some weird things. Ordering blues around... Making false claims then claiming he's not mafia before anyone accuses him of it... On the other hand, he's contributing a lot and certainly isn't afraid to throw himself in the spotlight. Then there's Sandroba. Either Sandroba is a townie who doesn't care about winning, or he's not a townie. Either way he deserves at least to be lynched. On the plus side, if he does turn out to be a Vet, at least he did his job before going out. | ||
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Why Paperscraps should be lynched tomorrow: To start off the game, we have a couple of not so awesome posts: On March 02 2012 02:09 Paperscraps wrote: Probulous is town Palmar is null rg is town deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far Vote: deconduo On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote: Question do we know how many scum there are in the game? My scum reads so far. Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed. TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all. ##Vote: Deconduo I messed up the format last time. I point out the fact that his vote lacked any sort of his usual reasoning (something he still hasn't provided), and then add that it came after Palmar was hassling dec. Here is his reply: + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2012 08:42 Paperscraps wrote: The irony in this post is pretty laughable. This whole entire post is pretty hypocritical as well. I play a certain way at the beginning of games to gauge people's reactions. My FoS on Deconduo was because I thought his reads were off base. Then his reaction to my vote seemed overdone. I mean who cares what I think really. I was just one guy voting him up for a reaction test, in which he failed. Now if I understand you correctly, Snarfs, two whole votes on some one is a bandwagon. You could accuse Deconduo for the same logic, which is bad logic btw. Palmar grilling Deconduo has nothing to do with this. Palmar didn't even vote him up, so your last point makes no sense at all. There is no bandwagon. I will be the last person to be lynched in this game and probably one of the first to be murdered during the night. What does Paper focus on? He focuses first on attacking my credibility: Calling the irony in my post laughable and calling my post hypocritical. Then, he gives a short one-liner explaining his vote ("thought his reads were off base"), then justifying a reason for keeping it ("his reaction to my vote seemed overdone"). For reference, dec's response was this: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 09:19 deconduo wrote: Scumslip much? I might have bad reads, but the only way you could know they were bad is if you're scum. Especially seeing as neither read was about you. Is that really an unreasonable response given the accusation? No, it isn't. At the end of the above quote, Paperscraps again attacks my credibility, saying my last point makes no sense at all. Reread the thread. Palmar starts calling out deconduo for a bad read. Paperscraps jumps in with a vote and his reasoning is that deconduo's reads are bad. I make the connection. Makes sense. Then we see this: Also Bluelightz has voted me which is hilarious. Funny, he provided more reasoning for voting than Paperscraps did for his vote. Good attempt at discrediting him though. Jackal, it isn't OMGUS when I voted him first, which I have stated my reasons for doing so. If anything Decon has OMGUS on me right now. At this point, Dec has mentioned Paper in two one-liners this game, the worst of which is to say "We lynch Misder today and Paper tomorrow. I had a look at Pandain's filter and its nothing as bad as these two." Hardly OMGUS when you consider that up until this point, Paper's filter is indeed pretty bad. Followed by some defending of himself: + Show Spoiler + I know Decon's reads are bad, because I am getting towntells from the people Decon is calling scum. Doesn't the last sentence of this quote strike you as odd? Pushing on Misder and I, the only two people to have him voted up. If that isn't OMGUS, then I don't know what is. I can see a bit of a team forming between Decon and Jackal right now. Pandain has been playing more town as of late. Palmar is playing weird this game so far. He might be scum. This part makes sense: Paper thinks Decon's reads are bad because he's getting town reads from the people Decon is calling scum. This part doesn't: Decon has 2 bad reads a day into the game; therefore, he's scum. Good analysis of Pandain and Palmar as well. Note who he claims who is playing more town and who might be scum; this might be important later. Next up, Paper attempts to defend himself. Nothing really to gather from here, except for the fact that Jackal is one of his top two scum at this point. Jackal who had 8 posts up until that point, none of which could possibly be considered either pro-town or anti-town. However, Jackal did mention that he was okay with lynching Paperscraps. + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2012 09:07 Paperscraps wrote: Hey Bluelightz are you going to change your vote to a better lynch like Decon or Jackal? First off your case against me is weaksauce. I have provided a lot of useful information to town. I got a reaction out of Decon to show his true colors. He is already doubting his reads. Of course I can't be 100% sure on anything, but some players are obviously townie. Bluelightz and Deconduo argument's against me hinge on two main points. 1. I can't know if their reads are bad, unless I am scum 2. Making lists are bad and scummy. When player A towntells and player B calls player A scum, then of course I am going to think something is wrong here. It is pretty reasonable to think they either (a) Player B is scum trying to get a townie lynched or (b) Player B is just bad at mafia and reading bad. I don't see the latter Making lists is NOT scummy. Just because I don't provide a book long post on the merits of each player doesn't make me scum. Making lists is town. It lets you know where my reads are at and gauge me at my scum hunting abilities. Just look at Decon and Jackal's filters and tell me they aren't scum. Jackal's filter takes 5 seconds to read and Decon's filter is full of non-sense and bad arguments. Next, Paper tries to get rg to claim Vig. On March 03 2012 18:02 Paperscraps wrote: rg who are you shooting tonight? At this point my read on rg was either Veteran trying to draw fire, or SK without a clue as to what he was doing. Am I going to try and get rg to claim his blue role though? No. Is any townie going to try and get rg to claim his blue role? No. So why is Paper trying to get him to claim his blue role? Next up we see a great example of how to make a meaningful looking post without actually posting anything, followed by defending a scum buddy: On March 04 2012 07:07 Paperscraps wrote: A)Three people voted Misder: Deconduo, AKCT and Jackal. They all give me a scum vibe, but I can't believe that scum would vote together like that on the first day. At least one of them has to be scum though or they are all just bad at this game. B)Deconduo's little back and forth with Palmar today was interesting. Deconduo calling Palmar bad at scum hunting is pretty funny imo. Deconduo blamed Palmar for Misder's death, but Decon was the one with the vote on Misder. Pretty contradictory. Palmar is still null to me right now although Palmar's read on Misder was correct and Decon's read was wrong, as I have said in previous posts. I am still leaning towards Decon being scum. He is redirecting blame on to others when he should accept responsibility. C)Jackal has posted no substance at all. His reaction to the Misder lynch was over done. He has buddied/defended Decon which I find scummy. @Jackal: I would like to see some actual scum hunting come from you. Anything at all really, that isn't filler D)A Killer Cuppa Tea uses being drunk as an excuse for pretty much everything. Also AKCT thought Probulous was mafia which is a pretty bad read. Right now I think AKCT is just a ignorant townie. E)Sandroba will by far be the easy lynch tomorrow and maybe rightly so. Posts one line content and filler. I don't agree with Sandroba's read on TheToast as of now. TheToast is null to me at the moment. I feel as though Sandroba might be too easy of a lynch. If Sandroba is mafia, then why lurk and post crap and be sure to get lynched. Does Sandroba just not care about the game? Maybe just a bored vanilla townie? A) We can all see who voted Misder. Saying that at least one of them has to be scum? A terrible assumption. 3 out of 13 people (not including Misder himself). And at least one of them has to be scum? Hardly. B) Summarizes Deconduo and Palmar's chat for us. Ends with a slightly weaker read on Dec. Now he's only "leaning towards Decon being scum". What happened there? C) Calls Jackal out for not posting much. Fluff. D) More fluff about AKCT E)Now this is very interesting. Agrees that Sandroba is the easy lynch. Agrees that he's been posting nothing. Disagrees with Sandroba's read (sounds familiar to the Decon case). Then spends 4 sentences convincing himself that Sandroba is a bored vanilla townie? Not looking so good given Sandroba flipped scum. Next up we see Paper claim that he thinks Sandroba is SK and is claiming a fake hit. On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote: Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit. Then, 9 hours later, his opinion is changed. On March 05 2012 17:35 Paperscraps wrote: Deconduo, TheToast, and Jackal are all better lynches. I don't know if we should lynch Sandroba yet, due to the hit claim. Sandroba is on ice though and needs to start contributing as do a lot of other players. And finally, this beauty: On March 06 2012 05:02 Paperscraps wrote: If you aren't even going to try, then you are going to get lynched. ##Unvote ##Vote Sandroba Side note: TheToast is scum. Followed by this: On March 06 2012 05:27 Paperscraps wrote: Slinging unsupported accusations is what I do! Have you been playing this game? Oh, and this: On March 06 2012 09:22 Paperscraps wrote: Hmmmm, my gut tells me that Sandroba is vet, but logic dictates that Sandroba is mafia/SK. This bandwagon on Sandroba went up pretty darn fast. But, alas Sandroba hasn't taken his vote off of AKCT and not putting up a fight at all. This lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right. I feel if I change my vote though, people will think that scummy. Only one person died last night. Something doesn't fit here. Going to change my vote anyways. Back to my "tunnel" on Deconduo, who has been coasting. ##Unvote ##Vote: Deconduo Inb4 people say I am scum trying to make myself look townie "if" Sandroba flips vet. To recap, first he states Sandroba is an SK with a fake claim. Then, he states Sandroba is not worth lynching. Then, he is worth lynching (after votes are 4-2 Sandroba over Bluelightz, with a single vote on Pandain, AKCT, Adam and his own on Dec). Then, the "lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right". Now, you should all compare Paperscraps' posting to his previous games where he was town. The contrast is frightening. There we have such great gems as: On January 27 2012 18:38 Paperscraps wrote: I just want to clarify that I am not taking the lynch lightly. Rash decisions and shotgun voting are a bad idea. Honestly we don't have much to go on yet for the D1 lynch. Why am I the one stalling when the majority of the town hasn't voted yet either? By your logic they should all be scum as well for "stalling". I am not waiting to vote. My mind is still changing. Just because I don't vote and unvote every other post doesn't make timid. I will vote when I am ready to vote, not before. On January 27 2012 19:27 Paperscraps wrote: I meant this *Being 100% sure of anything is impossible for a townie during N1. And he can be reasoned with and isn't afraid to change is vote: On January 29 2012 04:42 Paperscraps wrote: ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: Prplhz Two reasons for my change here. 1. My read on Palmar is neutral, by voting him up earlier I was hoping to get him to be more constructive and reasonable. This doesn't look likely now. I don't know all the meta everyone else knows about Palmar, but I think this can be a good thing. I can be more objective about my reads on him in the future. 2. Prplhz voted up wherebugsgo and then just left. No reason at all. If you say you are going to do something, then follow through. Accountability! Finally, he has the ability to perform good analysis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=46#911 Does this look like the same Paperscraps? It certainly doesn't to me. And THAT is why Paperscraps is scum, and should be lynched tomorrow. | ||
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"Usual reasoning". Can you be more clear on what you think this is? Are you trying to imply that my read came solely from the Palmar/Deconduo exchange? By usual reasoning, I am referring to previous games where you've actually provided good reasons for going after someone. Whether you're right or wrong makes no difference, it is in town's best interest for people to back up their votes with good reasoning so that we can pull the bullshit away from the truth. If you're not going to back up your vote with good, logical reasoning, or at least a decent attempt at it, then I can only assume that you don't have a good reason and therefore are scum. I am not implying, I am inferring. I am inferring that because of what I just wrote: You hadn't provided good reasons for your vote. If you still think your reasons for voting Deconduo the first time, and then reaffirming your vote were good, then we will have to agree to disagree. You are using the same meta on me in two different ways. You are saying that my posting makes me town, because that is how I played in werewolves mafia. Then you say that my posting makes me scum, because it differs from my posting in my newbie mafia game. I have been town in every mafia game I have played on teamliquid so far. I did not think werewolves was a good game to study because it utilized IRC a lot. Much of the discussion for that game appeared to have taken place outside of the forum. Also, I do not say anywhere that this post makes you town, nor do I compare it to werewolves mafia. You are putting words in my mouth in an attempt to either discredit me or make yourself look better. Focus on what I actually say. So how do we know anyone is anything when we are town? Certain towntells are obvious and Deconduo is either missing them or over looking them. Deconduo's response is loaded, because Deconduo is saying that the only way I can know his reads are bad is if I am scum. I could use this argument against you right now, saying that you read is horrible, because you think I am scum, when I am town. Just because his reads were on other people, doesn't mean I can't deem them bad. I can't know with 100% certainty if they are wrong or not, but mafia is a game of induction and deduction. We know from logic and reasoning as you say at the end of this paragraph. Your argument lacked both and if you were to use the same argument against me, it would again lack both. To clarify, this is good logic: Deconduo thinks Probulous and Misder are scum Probulous and Misder are both town (assuming Prob at this point) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Therefore, Deconduo's reasoning for thinking Probulous and Misder are scum is bad This is not good logic: Deconduo's reasoning for thinking Probulous and Misder are scum is bad ----------------------------------------------------- Therefore, Deconduo is scum You mentioned deduction. Show me how you made this argument. I've taken logic and philosophy courses, I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong when you show me what I'm missing. Quality > quantity. Bluelightz says a lot of things, but there is really no substance behind anything he says. I agree, Bluelightz is lacking in substance. Hard to argue against that. What I'm focusing on though is that your posts have lacked substance while trying to appear to have substance. Not sure, what you are trying to get at here. You are saying that my voting of Decon is unjustified. Then Decon foses me with very little reasoning and that isn't OMGUS? Double standard. No comment here. I agree, Decon FoSing you was silly. Deconduo's read coupled with his reaction to my fos is what made me think he is scum LOL. Ok let me explain something to you here. rg was soft claiming Vig pretty hard. Why would someone do this? THEY WANT TO GET SHOT. Ok, so now that we all understand that, we have to try and decipher if the claim seems legit or not. rg was being pretty obvious and blunt about it. My assumption was that he was either a Vet or vanilla townie trying to take one for the team. How can I help rg get shot then? Try and make people believe that I think he is a real vig. (hint hint I really didn't think this) Thus, rg's plan worked out perfectly. I may have even helped. I don't think he was soft claiming. I think he was slapping us in the face with the fact that he had killing power. Why would he do this if he was actually a vig? I don't think anyone would think he's actually a vig at that point. But you know who would want to make sure? Mafia. Misder was town. People voting him are stupid or mafia/sk Misder was contributing nothing and could easily have garnered 3 out of 13 votes without any of them being Mafia. Why would you discount the possibility that there were no mafia on him? I was always leaning towards Decon being scum. I don't understand your implication. My implication was this: First you are certain Decon is scum. Now you are only leaning towards him being scum. If this is false, please correct me. Yeah definite fluff. Trying to get someone to be more active, help scumhunt and all that jazz. /sarcasm I don't think you can count calling out inactive people as a contribution either way. Honestly this analysis on AKCT holds the same weight as people's read on Sandroba. Sandroba says he is too busy to post. AKCT says he is too drunk to post or post anything coherent. Maybe scum is playing the afk/lurk/not care game. This was not an analysis. This was stating the obvious on someone you think is town. This was fluff. Me: E)Now this is very interesting. Agrees that Sandroba is the easy lynch. Agrees that he's been posting nothing. Disagrees with Sandroba's read (sounds familiar to the Decon case). Then spends 4 sentences convincing himself that Sandroba is a bored vanilla townie? Not looking so good given Sandroba flipped scum. You: I am not infallible. Honestly though I would be raging pretty hard if I were mafia this game, because Sandroba played horribly. I would like to hear more about why you still thought Decon was a better vote than Sandroba day 1. Surely you thought that Misder was town based on Deconduo's horrible read. That gave you the chance at the end of Day 1 of lynching Sandroba instead. My problem here is that if Sandroba has bad reads and is posting nothing, you assume he's a bored townie. If Decon has bad reads and is posting nothing, you assume he's scum. I can't make a good argument against you for why you left your vote on Deconduo instead of Sandroba without making any assumptions; but it would certainly help your case if you could explain it to me (preferably without taking it personally, but that's up to you). The bandwagon on Sandroba went up very quickly and Sandroba was very scummy, that it was almost too easy. Like seriously I called it the night before how easy it would be to lynch Sandroba. So, I second guess myself and look bad. Not voting with the majoity doesn't make me scum. If I were scum, I would have just bussed Sandroba to make myself look town. See the contrast here? Scum obviously bussed Sandroba. Or maybe you would switch your vote so that later you can say that if you were scum, you would have just bussed Sandroba to make yourself look town. I don't know that I can argue with you here, scum could do either, always looking to get one step ahead of town in situations like this. Look at my last game in werewolves mafia. I have played the same. You are basing your meta off my game in newbie mafia, I don't play like that anymore with big long analytic posts, because they are unnecessary and anyone can contort peoples words to whatever they like. Just as you have done above. I'll reiterate that much of werewolves appeared to be played in IRC. Also, I'll give you that you don't make big long analytic posts anymore. That's fine. But for the sake of the town, please don't stop giving good, logical reasoning for your votes! If you really are town, then you've certainly wasted a lot of my time by acting scummy. What happened to this Paperscraps? On January 27 2012 18:38 Paperscraps wrote: I just want to clarify that I am not taking the lynch lightly. Rash decisions and shotgun voting are a bad idea. Honestly we don't have much to go on yet for the D1 lynch. Why am I the one stalling when the majority of the town hasn't voted yet either? By your logic they should all be scum as well for "stalling". I am not waiting to vote. My mind is still changing. Just because I don't vote and unvote every other post doesn't make timid. I will vote when I am ready to vote, not before. Or this one? On January 27 2012 19:27 Paperscraps wrote: I meant this *Being 100% sure of anything is impossible for a townie during N1. Or this one? On January 29 2012 04:42 Paperscraps wrote: ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: Prplhz Two reasons for my change here. 1. My read on Palmar is neutral, by voting him up earlier I was hoping to get him to be more constructive and reasonable. This doesn't look likely now. I don't know all the meta everyone else knows about Palmar, but I think this can be a good thing. I can be more objective about my reads on him in the future. 2. Prplhz voted up wherebugsgo and then just left. No reason at all. If you say you are going to do something, then follow through. Accountability! Just because you don't make big long analytic posts anymore doesn't mean you're throwing logic and reasoning completely out the window. Only scum would do that because they really have no logic or reasoning to back their suspicions. Let me bring up some points to you. 1. I have rolled town every game in tl mafia, thus you have no scum play to read. 2. You are using proof by contradiction off my town meta to call me scum. My town play has been evolving since newbie mafia, so this isn't valid. 3. I have played pretty similar to my last game in werewolves mafia, where my reads were decent when it came to finding scum. If you want to use meta to read me then use that. If this is your town play "evolving" then you should really reconsider what your end goal is. | ||
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