EPTGonna be my first Mafia game. I followed the other active mafia games for a few days now (Sleeper Cell II, Normal Mini, Hammer Mini, Newbie Mini III), and have been reading through the various ressources (specially through Vers "How to Improve: Mafia XXX Analysis").
Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Gonna be my first Mafia game. I followed the other active mafia games for a few days now (Sleeper Cell II, Normal Mini, Hammer Mini, Newbie Mini III), and have been reading through the various ressources (specially through Vers "How to Improve: Mafia XXX Analysis"). | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
- Hufy - zeurg Let's hope they get active soon. My thoughts: On February 13 2012 09:17 phagga wrote: If Palmar was scum, he would know how big his pack is and therefore would also know how big the second pack is (as anyone would assume that they are the same size). That would explain why he knows there are 6. On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote: Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment. This reaction is rather townish. If he was scum, he wouldn't mind if the town bickers about useless topics. Or he and Palmar are both in the same pack, which is unlikely. About Grackaroni: In IRC a "secret plan" is mentioned to him. He seems very eager to learn about it. in IRC Grackaroni wrote: 20120212.log:[21:52:45] <Grackaroni> and no i am not scum 20120212.log:[21:53:10] <Grackaroni> plan is? 20120212.log:[21:53:39] <Grackaroni> secret scum plan? 20120212.log:[21:53:59] <Grackaroni> if its supposed to benefit town than why does it have to be a secret 20120212.log:[21:54:06] <Grackaroni> lol 20120212.log:[21:54:11] <Grackaroni> silly troll 20120212.log:[21:54:34] <Grackaroni> i guess that makes you town though 20120212.log:[21:54:35] <Grackaroni> apparently 20120212.log:[21:54:51] <Grackaroni> k 20120212.log:[21:55:05] <Grackaroni> cya 20120212.log:[21:55:24] <Grackaroni> layabout you still here? 20120212.log:[21:55:51] <Grackaroni> what 20120212.log:[21:56:18] <Grackaroni> do you actually have some sort of plan? [...] /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[23:02:58] <Grackaroni_> if this plan is too secret to tell me than he must have a good reason [...] /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[01:51:59] <Grackaroni_> I really haven't talked to him enough to find out. Layabout and him had some form of a plan, I would be interested in what it is. Additionally, as it was mentioned on IRC, he is very defensive about being a townie: in IRC Grackaroni wrote: 20120212.log:[23:11:10] <Grackaroni_> Btw make you're case in thread Palmar. maybe you will get your head out of your ass because you have no case. 20120212.log:[23:12:06] <Grackaroni_> afk 20120213.log:[01:21:59] <Grackaroni_> back 20120213.log:[01:24:24] <Grackaroni_> I would guess theres not 6 mafia just so they can allow the forum newbie in the game. Seems like a cool mechanic to leave out  20120213.log:[01:26:33] <Grackaroni_> Also Prplhz you're I'm likely to be town so assume I'm town makes 0 sense lol. Everyone has the same probability... 20120213.log:[01:28:29] <Grackaroni_> [19:02] "<derpladee> why do you say "if you're scum" when you know i'm town lol" wtf is this? 20120213.log:[01:30:42] <derpladee> how many mafia would you then guess that there is Grackaroni_? 20120213.log:[01:31:51] <Grackaroni_> well it has to be even so 2 per team maybe? with a GF and a forum newbie 20120213.log:[01:31:58] <Grackaroni_> I'm doing no different than anybody else 20120213.log:[01:31:59] <Grackaroni_> per team 20120213.log:[01:32:01] <Grackaroni_> guessing 3 20120213.log:[01:32:34] <Grackaroni_> yeah its luck based 20120213.log:[01:32:39] <Grackaroni_> could be 4 mafia on one team against 2 20120213.log:[01:33:05] <Grackaroni_> tbh 20120213.log:[01:33:13] <Grackaroni_> hes not doing much 20120213.log:[01:33:21] <Grackaroni_> he wont even explain his scum read on me he's just tunneling me 20120213.log:[01:34:27] <Grackaroni_> what sucks is that people like you agree with him based off his reputation 20120213.log:[01:35:05] <Grackaroni_> [19:04] <derpladee> "palmar busted grack and then prob left in a hurry" you already assume I'm scum without even being there when I first talked to him. 20120213.log:[01:35:12] <derpladee> Grackaroni_, when did i agree with him based on his reputation? 20120213.log:[01:37:01] <Grackaroni_> Palmar is a lazy scum player 20120213.log:[01:37:41] <Grackaroni_> who is overseer? 20120213.log:[01:37:42] <Grackaroni_> btw 20120213.log:[01:38:42] <Grackaroni_> its too early to tell 20120213.log:[01:39:10] <Grackaroni_> I think if he actually made a case on me I would be more inclined to believe he was town 20120213.log:[01:40:30] <Grackaroni_> and to be honest Palmar played a game where he didn't do anything recently and got lynched 1 and was town 20120213.log:[01:41:05] <Grackaroni_> I don't remember what game but he was a miller 20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> ... 20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> lol 20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> Its false scumhunting 20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> mattchew is scum 20120213.log:[01:43:19] <Grackaroni_> what Palmar has done so far 20120213.log:[01:43:35] <Grackaroni_> He has tunelled me and to a lesser extent prob without even providing a reason Not a clear case, but suspicious. I'd suspect a townie to be more relaxed about both topics. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:56 sinani206 wrote: I don't find my play in NMMI to be lurking. Skype: sinani206 AIM: sinani206 GTalk: sinani206 pretty much on those whenever im on my computer obviously this post will be analyzed as me active lurking but theres nothing i can do about that. There is a lot you could do about that. You could for example try to post your view on some people, or try to participate in the discussions in IRC. However, you have written nothing of interest. Let's have a look at your current IRC log: + Show Spoiler + 20120214.log:[01:02:03] *** Joins: Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 20120214.log:[01:02:04] <Sinani206> hi 20120214.log:[01:02:25] <Sinani206> sup 20120214.log:[01:08:01] *** Quits: Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) (Ping timeout) 20120214.log:[01:08:25] *** Joins: Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 20120214.log:[01:12:17] <Sinani206> fucking pistachios 20120214.log:[01:12:36] <Sinani206> theres this pistachio 20120214.log:[01:12:44] <Sinani206> with no hole in the shell 20120214.log:[01:12:51] <Sinani206> and its annoying the hell out of me 20120214.log:[01:13:36] <Sinani206> this my friends is why we have swiss army knives 20120214.log:[01:14:04] <Sinani206> wow that pistachio was all that trouble and it wasnt even crunchy 20120214.log:[01:14:05] <Sinani206> goddmant 20120214.log:[01:14:20] <Sinani206> ikr 20120214.log:[01:14:33] <Sinani206> the one whos eatig them 20120214.log:[01:14:39] <Sinani206> yes 20120214.log:[01:14:41] <Sinani206> proceed 20120214.log:[01:17:02] <Sinani206> im kinda siding with ghost here. 20120214.log:[01:17:12] <Sinani206> pistachio buddy :D 20120214.log:[01:17:32] * Sinani206 BROFIST 20120214.log:[02:47:39] <Sinani206> AMERICA FTW 20120214.log:[02:47:43] <Sinani206> im back btw 20120214.log:[02:47:54] <Sinani206> i am 20120214.log:[02:47:57] <Sinani206> its about 7 here 20120214.log:[02:48:17] <Sinani206> ikr 20120214.log:[02:48:22] <Sinani206> i love LA 20120214.log:[02:48:24] <Sinani206> hahah 20120214.log:[02:48:51] <Sinani206> i know 20120214.log:[02:48:57] <Sinani206> and mlg 20120214.log:[02:49:01] <Sinani206> and dreamhack 20120214.log:[02:49:08] <Sinani206> and i get gsl 20120214.log:[02:49:19] <Sinani206> at more reasonable time than east coast 20120214.log:[02:49:23] <Sinani206> still late tho 20120214.log:[02:49:41] <Sinani206> and nasl hahaha 20120214.log:[02:49:48] <Sinani206> i watch foreigners 20120214.log:[02:49:53] <Sinani206> in gsl 20120214.log:[02:49:55] <Sinani206> mainly 20120214.log:[02:50:17] <Sinani206> yes 20120214.log:[06:55:52] <Sinani206> sleepin bros 20120214.log:[06:55:58] *** Sinani206 is now known as sinani206AWAY There is absolutely nothing regarding the current mafia game. You even interrupted an ongoing discussion with your pistachios-remarks: + Show Spoiler + [01:11:22] <Lanaia> okay. [01:11:28] <Lanaia> he has played a lot [01:11:32] <Lanaia> there are a lot of other games [01:11:43] <Probulous> It's fine, you have been clear and logical and made me see the mistake I made. I still don't like it as a tactic but whatever... [01:11:53] <derpladee> that's fine [01:11:56] <Lanaia> can't remember if i've played a game with him where he's been scum except when I was scum with hiim [01:12:01] <derpladee> it's a bit silly that you don't like it but that's your subjective preference [01:12:17] <Sinani206> fucking pistachios [01:12:28] <derpladee> i have only been scum three times and one was SNMMIV fuckign ages ago, the other was WaW2 which was a troll game ages ago and then XLVII [01:12:28] <Lanaia> .... ? [01:12:36] <Probulous> Well it caused a shitstorm, so your results from it better be mindblowing [01:12:36] <ghost_403> I LOVE FUCKING PISTACHIOS [01:12:36] <Sinani206> theres this pistachio [01:12:44] <Sinani206> with no hole in the shell [01:12:48] <derpladee> ghost_403, why is it suspicious [01:12:51] <Sinani206> and its annoying the hell out of me [01:12:58] <ghost_403> pistachios? [01:13:01] <Lanaia> xlvii was the 80p, right? [01:13:03] <derpladee> yes [01:13:03] <ghost_403> or the role fishing? [01:13:10] <derpladee> are you dodging? [01:13:29] <ghost_403> i think that role fishing is suspicious, period [01:13:36] <Sinani206> this my friends is why we have swiss army knives [01:13:37] <derpladee> you just can't argue for why it is [01:13:40] <derpladee> which is why you suck [01:13:50] <ghost_403> it is plausible that you are a noble townie trying to control the game to come out better for the town [01:13:52] <Lanaia> town rolefishes, too, though [01:13:55] <ghost_403> the other explanation [01:14:04] <Sinani206> wow that pistachio was all that trouble and it wasnt even crunchy [01:14:04] <ghost_403> is that you are scum looking for an easy kill [01:14:05] <Sinani206> goddmant [01:14:12] <ghost_403> @sinani sucks man [01:14:20] <Sinani206> ikr [01:14:22] <Lanaia> who the hell cares about the pistachios [01:14:30] <ghost_403> uh, they're delicious [01:14:33] <Sinani206> the one whos eatig them [01:14:35] <ghost_403> BUT BACK TO THE MATTER AT HAND [01:14:39] <Sinani206> yes [01:14:41] <ghost_403> it's suspicious [01:14:41] <Sinani206> proceed [01:14:56] <ghost_403> and you haven't given me a good explanation as to why you contacted some and not others [01:15:04] <ghost_403> i'm a newbie at mafia, and you didn't contact me [01:15:08] <ghost_403> no ice breaking [01:15:14] <ghost_403> no nothing [01:15:17] <ghost_403> why is that? [01:16:28] <ghost_403> ... [01:17:02] <Sinani206> im kinda siding with ghost here. [01:17:12] <Sinani206> pistachio buddy :D [01:17:23] * ghost_403 high-fives sinani [01:17:28] <ghost_403> :D [01:17:32] * Sinani206 BROFIST [01:17:48] * ghost_403 BROFIST [01:18:19] <derpladee> lol you feeling left out? [01:18:34] <derpladee> i only PMd a few people because i don't think i have time to talk to a ton of people at the same time [01:19:21] <ghost_403> fair enough And then you were silent again. Actively interrupting an ongoing discussion about the game with trivial off-topic is very scummy in my book. No townie would do that. So what about your messages in the thread? Let's check your filter: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 01:12 sinani206 wrote: :D On February 13 2012 10:29 sinani206 wrote: why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later... going out to dinner now so be back in a few hours I left out your big post out on purpose, as it is quoted at the beginning of this post already. You write you are out for dinner and then vanish for almost 24 hours. You jump on the pressure-mob on prplhz and then ask an absolut trivial question that has been asked by others at that point. There is no initiative of you, no content. You, sir, are acting really scummy in my book. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 14 2012 18:10 Ciryandor wrote: Day 1 Begins. You have 54 hours and 50 minutes to vote. 18:10 KST +50 Minutes = 19:00 KST; +7 hours = 2am KST on Feb 15th; +48 hours = 2 am KST on Feb 17th So Day 1 Ends Feb 17th, 2am KST or Feb 16th, 18:00 CET (GMT+1) | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 09:24 Kenpachi wrote: /confirm townie On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote: its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need Nothing of interest so far. + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2012 19:04 Kenpachi wrote: Night starts suck. IM TOWNIE LETS GET THIS SHIT GOING FUCK IRC. THREAD ACTIVITY NAO Now that's a good call. so let's see your thread activity. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2012 18:55 Kenpachi wrote: l0l its ironic how i never followed my own words I was too tired though so i went to sleep for the day and started my hw. Man, IRC setups are LAME. Just getitng lines of text you never want to read. WTF? you're a semi vet i dont even know why you are fake pressuring a lurker. i thought youd learn by now that ITS NOT EVEN PRESSURE. But honestly, you're never bold in your actions so i cant say much about this except that its fucking terrible Oh ya, PM me if you want to talk to me on skype or IRC or TL. I will ignore all PMs that are straight up spam like this one. I will answer in public: no first, an excuse that I don't really care about. Than, a short attack on Lanaia which says "you're playing terrible but that's normal for you", so nothing of interest really. And finally you post a PM from prplhz and call it Spam. No thoughts on the game, no read on players, no content. And finally: + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2012 18:56 Kenpachi wrote: I realized i have said nothing there. FEAR NOT, i dont have anything to say yet. On February 15 2012 20:05 Kenpachi wrote: Im not lurking i have school. Then im busy and tired after i come back form school. BBL in ~18 hours or so On February 15 2012 20:08 Kenpachi wrote: yeah my schedule is butchered up. i go to school, sleep, THEN when everyone is sleeping i do my HWs and go to school.. ALL CAUSE OF MY GOSU WEEKEND DECISION MAKING saying this cause i dont want to hear the Kenpachi lurker crap. Lurker =/= inactive bitchessssssssssssssssssssssssss 3 Excuses in very short time. That makes 4 Excuses in the last 4 posts, not even spiritclown managed to do that. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and checked your IRC log. I first thought it was broken because all it returned was: + Show Spoiler + 20120213.log:[00:25:52] *** Joins: Kenpachi_ (webchat@cpe-98-14-10-11.nyc.res.rr.com) 20120213.log:[00:37:00] <derpladee> Kenpachi_, why didn't you write your /confirm message with green color? 20120213.log:[00:37:14] <Kenpachi_> im getting lazy 20120213.log:[05:33:59] *** Quits: Kenpachi_ (webchat@cpe-98-14-10-11.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) 20120213.log:[16:12:57] <Grackaroni> ie Kenpachi, Sinani 20120213.log:[16:29:16] <Grackaroni> My issue is that Layabout wants to use this as a chance to lynch players that have shown themselves to be anti-town in previous games rather than focus on analysis from this game (ex, Sinani, Kenpachi) 20120213.log:[23:23:45] <Grackaroni> BL/Kenpachi/Nisani are all uselss and are fine for lynch 20120215.log:[00:25:44] <Bluelightz> Kenpachi 20120215.log:[00:26:17] <Palmar> Why would I care about Kenpachi's claim? 20120215.log:[00:27:04] <froggynoddy> layabout United Kingdom. February 13 2012 01:59. Posts 559 PM Profile Report Quote # filter Dont forget to ignore this: Hello my name is Kenpachi and it's a shame that i am a TL Forumer (Townie) i wanted something cool.. 20120215.log:[00:27:25] <Palmar> seriously, I need to be given a Kenpachi-vigilante shot every game Seriously, there is zero content of you so far. Only excuses. And how you excuse. You seem to know exactly that you are not active enough. And it seems you do not want to change that. That's why you try to explain your way out of the situation. So unless you are going to post something relevant, I will have you as a clear candidate to lynch. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Kenpachi Sinani206 Spiritclown Other suspicious ppl: zeurg: actively avoiding participation mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 16 2012 07:03 Kenpachi wrote: SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? I don't need to think about that. I'm phagga. AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM? You're the guy who is not contributing at all. Lurking in plain sight, so to say. You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont. Im Kenpachi. you dont do that Could you please point me to the line in the rules that say so? because I just have a hard time finding it. But you know, me being a newbie and all... I'm sure you can help me out, right? | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 16 2012 07:28 Kenpachi wrote: If i were to describe myself (i hate doing this), id say that Im completely unreadable (i think only 1 person was able to pinpoint my scumplay and he probably forgot my scum meta anyways l0l) because of my rash decisions, massive spamming, hardcore lurking, not making sense, having odd vote patterns and downright annoying people. all the time, people advocate to shoot me cause i do these things (which i am against. shooting cause you hate me is dumb!) The reason why I wrote that post was to get you talking. And see, suddenly you're here. I did not cast a vote on you in case you didn't notice. Now then, about your analysis. it was weak shit. Might be. I AM a newbie, and I know I still have a lot to learn. The case was also an exercise for me. I think i can tell you why its a scummy piece of garbage Firstly to back up your point, you had quoted quotes that were not meant to be analyzed. WHY would you even quote this to say im useless? thats desperation. I wanted to make a point by including all posts since game start. I wanted to make it obvious how many posts there were and how you did not contribute anything in those posts. You find me contradict myself. I explained myself, im fucking tired. I wanted people to stop predominantly using IRC. lots of info gets lost down the drain in private messaging (Nisani made it public but WHO WANTS TO READ THE ENTIRE THING?) But i really didnt have much to say. Im not going to say random things i dont want to say. Im never obliged to contribute when i make a post. I want to SAY something COMPRENDO MY NEWBIE FRIEND? Lastly, your IRC example was a fucking joke. Its also another sign of desperation. Derpladee who i think is prplhz was asking a non relevant question to my life, his life or anyone else's life. It was just a small chat that i ended quickly cause i didnt feel compelled to answer in great detail FOR THERE ISNT MUCH TO SAY ABOUT IT you completely miss the point about the IRC example. I posted it to show that you did not contribute in IRC as well. That was all. It was not about what you actually talked in that short log. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
you think im just gonna let this go cause you "pressured" me? I never said so. so now i think YOU are the one making the excuse. What excuse did I make? tell me, please. and you completely missed my point. i dont want to be in irc. I don't care if you want to be in IRC or not. I just checked all available sources for contributions of you and did not find any. That's why I posted it. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
While in the IRC yesterday, I was under the impression that we were reaching a consens on a double lynch, and on the exact targets. It later turned out that I was wrong, hence i switched back to the person that I have made a case on and that I want to get hanged, Sinani206. I have pasted below the relevant lines from the IRC log. There was a lot going on, so I cut out some stuff to show which strain of the communication was deciding. + Show Spoiler + [23:25:57] <Palmar> I think we should kill sentinel and sinani [23:26:47] <Lanaia> can't say I disagree. [23:26:57] <phagga> so doublelynch sentinel and sinani then? [...] [23:27:23] <Probulous> Well that satisfies me. I don't really care about sinani, he isn't doing anything. Does he ever contribute? [...] [23:46:48] <Probulous> I don't think Ghost is a decent lynch today. So he has at least another day to put something together. I think the targets we have are better. [23:49:00] <Probulous> @Palmar, just checking, the only way we can vote two or more players off at once is if we have a tie right? [23:49:13] <Palmar> that's how I understand it probulous [23:49:58] <Probulous> Ok, so then it would be good to get the votes aligned as soon as possible and watch for people switching off... This line from Probulous was the reason I wanted to go voting. I was under the impression that several people were going to coordinate a doublelynch. I counted the current votes and saw 3 on Sinani, 1 on Sentinel. I knew I had a case on Sinani, but thought since we want to align our votes I'm going for Sentinel to get them both to equal counts. In hindsight, this was a bad decision, as there were some many more people to still vote that it would not have mattered if I just went for Sinani. + Show Spoiler + [23:50:16] <phagga> k, then I'm gonna vote now too [...] [23:51:49] <phagga> voted on Sentinel [...] [23:52:35] <Probulous> @phagga, Why? did you post your reasoning in thread? let me check... This confused me, because not 3 minutes ago, Probulous said himself that he thought we should align our votes. + Show Spoiler + [23:52:49] <phagga> eeeh? [23:53:00] <phagga> you guys said we're gonna vote on sinani and sentinel [23:53:03] <phagga> i agreed with that [23:53:09] <Lanaia> you still should say something in the thread. [23:53:12] <phagga> there are 3 votes on sinani, and 1 on sentinel [23:53:14] <Lanaia> or people will go omghesscum. [23:53:17] <phagga> so I went for Sentinel [23:53:22] <phagga> hmm, true [23:53:58] <Probulous> you have not mentioned sentinel once, that's why [23:54:10] <phagga> that is absolutely true [23:54:21] <phagga> ok, sorry, stupid error from me [23:54:23] <phagga> I'll fix it Here I realised that I had interpreted to much into that one sentence. I started to make a case vs Sentinel, but then thought it was stupid to make a case vs a person that I originally dit not have on my radar. I tried to get more information out on how commited people were to make a coordinated double lynch. + Show Spoiler + [23:58:18] <phagga> I guess it's ok if I mention in the thread that we decided to double lynch? [...] [23:58:33] <Palmar> we should be double lynching [...] [00:03:22] <phagga> Ok, seriously folks, do we now agree on doublelynching sinani and sentinel? [...] [00:03:50] <Probulous> why do you need to know phagga, make up your own mind At this point I realised that it was an error to vote on Sentinel for the reasons that I did. I wrote on last time: + Show Spoiler + [00:04:49] <phagga> because I thought we wanted to make an organised doulbe lynch But got no answer. So I switched my vote to Sinani206. Why Sinani206? I made a case on him, that stuff is still valid: Did not contribute, no content, interrupted an ongoing discussion. Since then he also attacked prplhz, his arguments: + Show Spoiler + 20120215.log:[01:21:38] <Sinani206> holy fuck prpl is obvscum 20120215.log:[01:21:41] <Sinani206> also im not 20120215.log:[01:21:48] <Sinani206> so dont be up for a sinanilynch 20120215.log:[01:22:01] <Sinani206> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13514438 20120215.log:[01:22:18] <Sinani206> matt is so right 20120215.log:[01:22:26] <Sinani206> (not about me) He just refers Mattchews case. But wait! there is more! + Show Spoiler + 20120215.log:[01:23:01] <Sinani206> also this: On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote: 20120215.log:[01:23:03] <Sinani206> I'm going to play exactly like I usually do. 20120215.log:[01:23:03] <Sinani206> If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched. 20120215.log:[01:23:22] <Sinani206> and then proceeds to spam the shit out of every living thing Or not. This was already posted by Probulous almost one day earlier: + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2012 06:30 Probulous wrote: Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town. So no own opinion. Mind you, this was at a time where most people were no longer thinking of prplhz as scummy. So he accusing a player of being mafia and does not have a single own reason or analysis about it. Combined with the other points above: ##Vote Sinani206 | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:25 Paperscraps wrote: Read on Sinani = Null I don't have a read on Sinani. I don't know the meta. This is a good point. The scum teams know who the majority of the town is, but they don't know who is on the other scum team, so keep town reads to a minimum. By not making town lists we increase the chances of scum hitting each other. On February 16 2012 14:34 Paperscraps wrote: I changed my vote over to Spiritclown People I would be ok with lynching today: Spiritclown phagga Sinani206 [UoN]Sentinel Preferably two of the above. What made you change your mind? | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote: EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps Why is it important that paperscraps has the same opinion/suspicion as you have? | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
A lot has already been said about you that I agree with, there is no need to repeat it here. But the following things stuck out for me, which is why I will present them here: You always just refer to points someone else made or just use arguments someone else already made. Some Examples: - When Probulous questioned prplhz for his PMs, you jumped on the train + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2012 10:00 ghost_403 wrote: It's because he won't give us a straight answer regarding why he did it. He makes the claim that it was an "icebreaker", which is thoroughly unimpressive: there are a lot better ways to break the ice. In addition, he only targeted a few newbs (that we know about). Why these people? We had a nice little chat in IRC about this, feel free interpret his motives for asking as you wish. (As a note, these IRC logs have not posted to palmar.org as of the time of writing. Hopefully, they will post soon. If not, I will have to rely on the witnesses present to defend my account of the conversation.) + Show Spoiler + 01[19:31] <ghost_403> so who else did you pm? 01[19:32] <ghost_403> kind of curious if you had any rhyme or reason, or just picked people at random to "break the ice" 02[19:33] * froggynoddy (webchat@cpc1-lewi6-0-0-cust270.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Page closed) [19:33] <Probulous> prpl you don't say who you PM'd, just a bunch of people. Well that bothers me. The only person who has come forward was a blatant newb who luckily had the knowledge to knock you back. What is so hard about posting who sent PMs to? Even if they are just to break the ice. 01[19:34] <ghost_403> well, if he's not going to give us an answer, i suppose we can work in reverse 01[19:34] <ghost_403> prplhz did NOT send a PM to me [19:34] <Probulous> ROFL, that could take a while... [19:35] <Lanaia> doesn't matter [19:35] <Lanaia> it wasn't a bad thing he did [19:35] <Lanaia> it was a thing. [19:35] <Lanaia> just a thing 01[19:35] <ghost_403> absolutely, but things don't just happen, and mafia is a game about motives [19:36] <derpladee> lol [19:36] <Lanaia> the hell kind of motive do you think he has [19:37] <Probulous> My issue is not him asking for roles. It is him asking NEWBS for their roles. I mean this would be an easy way for mafia to persuade new guys to go along with them. Now I know that I am basing the newb thing off of one data point, that is why I asked him for the list. He won't provide it. Can you see my problem? [19:38] <Lanaia> Not entirely [19:38] <derpladee> did you even read the thread? [19:38] <derpladee> did you read what i post? [19:38] <derpladee> it's not enough to explain that something could be done by a scum [19:38] <derpladee> you have to explain why it wouldn't be done by a townie too [19:39] <Probulous> A townie would send a PM to everyone, or put it in the thread. Why did you choose him over everyone else? [19:39] <Grackaroni> You are jumping on mattchew for assuming that you wanted to direct blues but what is a good motivation besides that? shooting at them? I'm sure there are other ways to "break the ice" besides rolefishing [19:39] <derpladee> lol i'm not role fishing 01[19:39] <ghost_403> -_- [19:39] <derpladee> i was just saying [19:39] <derpladee> "what's your role?" [19:39] <Lanaia> he'd've harassed me more if he were rolefishing. [19:39] <Grackaroni> role asking? [19:39] <derpladee> and then they said "town, what do you think about X or Y?" 06[19:39] * ghost_403 facepalms [19:39] <Grackaroni> I guess thats a better description [19:39] <derpladee> and then we were on to other topics [19:40] <derpladee> the motivation is that i want to know their role, but i'm probably not getting it so i'm just asking for the lulz Whole thing is (hopefully) available at http://www.palmar.org/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120214.log. On February 14 2012 10:32 ghost_403 wrote: Second. I can't prove that it's scummy, but he still won't admit that it might not have been the best idea. + Show Spoiler + [20:01] <Probulous> Mmm those four are the only communication you had? [20:03] <Probulous> Cause nowhere in there does it say that it is meant to be an icrebreaker. [20:03] <derpladee> i talked to other people too [20:03] <derpladee> jesus christ [20:03] <derpladee> it doesn't matter if it's an ice breaker or not even though it was primarily meant as such [20:04] <derpladee> i didn't push or bully people into giving me their roles or anything [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove [20:04] <derpladee> and listen carefully because you are not understanding this because you are terrible [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove not only that scum could have motivation for this [20:04] <derpladee> but also that townies could not have motivation for this 01[20:04] <ghost_403> so why don't you just say, "i meant it as an icebreaker, and it was a bad idea"? [20:05] <derpladee> because it wasn't a bad idea [20:06] <derpladee> i can't account for the entire town being full of morons 01[20:06] <ghost_403> okay, so why was it a good idea? [20:06] <derpladee> every itme i say something [20:06] <derpladee> why was it a bad idea? [20:06] <derpladee> you can't just say that it was a bad idea if i cannot conclusively prove that it was a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> you must not account only for what it was not a bad idea, but also why it must be a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> damn [20:06] <Grackaroni> I wanted to copy you 01[20:06] <ghost_403> well, it's done nothing but get you into trouble thus far 01[20:06] <ghost_403> and you have no new information to show for it [20:06] <derpladee> because town is full of morons apparently 02[20:07] * Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [20:07] <derpladee> i have new information, not about roles though 01[20:07] <ghost_403> "everyone else sucks" is a bad argument for "my idea was a good idea" - When I made a case on Sinani, you said I had good points + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote: I'll support a double lynch, but only if I'm sure that both are scum. We really need to be careful to avoid mislynches given that we're already down a townie and a blue with almost nothing to show for it. I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points. - When Probulous attacked zeurg, you said he had good points+ Show Spoiler + On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote: We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg Lanaia called you out on this behaviour: + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2012 08:19 Lanaia wrote: You also fit the second, hun. Just thought I'd let you know that. Upon reading your filter in the IRC... I can't say you've contributed much else. You've told me you haven't pm'd with anyone. So essentially, you have done nothing anywhere. Prod people, provide your own opinions, probe probulous, I don't care. Just please, do something more than what you've been doing before you accuse someone of doing basically the same thing you're doing. To which you reacted: + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2012 08:37 ghost_403 wrote: @lanaia It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you. After that, this noteworthy dialog happened in IRC: [23:40:15] <Lanaia> I'm not sure how to reply tot hat. [23:40:39] <ghost_403> you don't really have to, i'm not making an argument Why not? Did you not just post a Defense? Did you not just try to show that you have your own opinion? If not, then why did you post it? Did you hope someone else would defend you? It seems you posted this in hope that people think you have your own opinion, but at the same time you stand away from any argument that could get you in trouble. Instead, you try hard to blend in. And as you are finally going to add a case on prplhz, you still have the need to not stand out to much, and refer to paperscraps. + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote: EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps You are scared to stand alone, to stand out. As a townie, you would not care about that. ##vote: ghost:403 | ||
| ||
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4QxXq.jpg)
