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On January 24 2012 23:10 GMarshal wrote: Please don't use the term "newfag" -__- Its perhaps one of my most hated 4chanisms. DESU | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:08 Blazinghand wrote: What are you kidding me? This game is somewhat similar to Resistance I insofar as that the mafia have limited/no way of communicating with each other, and as town we have to take great care when discussing what the mafia may do lest we accidentally inform them of some sort of strat they haven't though of. Obviously there's a possibility of inception agent seeing their messages. If some scum player is somehow so unimaginably bad that he didn't realize this, I'd be honestly shocked and appalled at his inordinately poor observation skills. I will talk about what I want when I want. | ||
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##Vote Radfield I don't like first post walls that take up lots of space while managing to say very little. | ||
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On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote: Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. Pointless post. On January 26 2012 13:05 Jackal58 wrote: Alright let's do it this way. I'm not going to say this is stupid. I'm going to say it's very smart, kinda smart, smart, or not smart at all. Dude this is fucking stupid. This is some serious town posting yo. On January 26 2012 12:46 Navillus wrote: I agree with Radfield though I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility of the inception agent seeing their messages, I agree that they probably would realize that but now they know for sure, and usually I say assume mafia is playing optimally but this is different because any noob scums aren't in communication to vet scums and so might have slipped up. Obviously we can't not talk about what mafia is likely to do at all though so basically I'm saying just be very careful with what you post about what we might have/do and they might have/do, and people who post a lot about that are very suspicious as that would be an easy way to transfer info. So stop talking about it then. So far you have one post and it's talking about the one thing you're telling us not to talk about. This post just looks so fake with the whole "don't tell them about something that's in the op come on man we don't want to help out the scum look at me im really town blahblahblah" In fact ##Vote Navillus not scum is 7 letters and a space town is 4 letters therefore i will just be saying town. jackal is town | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:17 Radfield wrote: Why is it dumb. Mafia need to vote in order to make a night-kill. Each mafia member gets two votes. If there is no obvious town consensus on who is town, then that makes the mafia vote much more difficult. If we have a couple players who many of us are saying are obvious town, then mafia are obviously going to all vote for those players. If instead we just have a large list of players who are 'not currently scummy' then that means the mafia votes will be far more spread out. There will also likely be a number of mafia in our 'not scum' group, which means the odds of mafia shooting themselves are far greater. It ups the odds of friendly fire, and lowers the odds of having players die who are obviously town. It's hard to spot obvious townies when you are mafia, though this game may be slightly different in that respect. If it's dumb, tell me why it is dumb. because saying someone is town or leaning town is the same thing as saying someone is not scummy. It's convoluted and pointless and an excellent way for you to distract town from scumhunting right out the gate. On January 26 2012 13:20 Radfield wrote: That's funny you say that. I had several very clear points I was making, and they took a bit of text to make. Please point out the fluff to me. More-so than many other large game-starting posts I have made, that one had very clear direction, focus, and specific tangible goals. It has become a fad in TL Mafia to make claims that large posts are devoid of content, so please point out where I am lacking content in that post. Show me that you are not just part of the fad. Because the points you made had nothing to do with looking for the mafia, in fact nothing you've done so far has resembled scumhunting. On January 26 2012 13:23 bumatlarge wrote: I think redff is not being conducive to a pro-town atmosphere. At best he smell's like a cell agent  ##Vote redFF thanks | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:25 Blazinghand wrote: guys there is a voting thread in case my hilarious smileys or the OP hasn't made clear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 Nobody cares you made your point. What do you think of radfield's "plan"? | ||
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Why are you so eager to give them their advantage back? I'm not.We should be transparent with our reads. Scum will just end up shooting into the "not scummy" pool and we might have wagons build up on people who others think are town but in thread listed as null reads. You're right though, we shouldn't argue about this. Bum unvote me and vote Navillus, everyone else do the same. | ||
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A: scummy B: not scum C: very scummy D: not scum E: Definitely scum F: scummy Not scum: B and D Example reads 2 A: scummy B: town C: very scummy D: town E: Definitely scum F: scummy not scum: B and D its the same thing | ||
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I think the key and best part about it is that it leaves out varying degrees of townieness so that we don't have 6 people in the thread calling one person very town and then that person gets killed. It's not great medics since this game has a lot of newer players (or at least players I don't recognize) and if nobody's posting there townreads it's going to be harder for any medics to know who to protect, but this isn't that big of a deal and it will still be fairly to easy to just protect a town read. inb4 I'm scum for realising I was wrong about something. | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:53 Navillus wrote: RedFF I really would like to hear an actual reason that Rad's plan is bad, the best you've come up with seems to be "it's convoluted", which well, I honestly don't see a single confusing part of it, scummy = scummy not scum = the opposite, he's not using like new terminology, and that "not scum" is more letters than "town", which I'm going to assume was not a real argument. Insofar as neither of those are particularly convincing and I think that you're smart enough to realize that I'd really like to know why you actually don't want this to happen, it seems to have clear benefits to the town that have been outlined, do you have a problem with that? I don't like this last line. You're suggesting I'm scummy without voting me or explicitly saying I'm scummy. You're scum and you're time is running out baby. | ||
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On January 26 2012 14:05 GGQ wrote: We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all. Oh rad mentioned them in his post so I assumed they were in the op or something. On January 26 2012 14:04 GGQ wrote: About finding mafia, we can't rely so much on finding scum by linking players together. Even if scum gets lynched, we can't be sure whether their defenders were scum or misguided town because scum don't know (at least not 100%) who their partners are. So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns. I agree with the first part, associative tells will be pretty useless this game, at least not until later on after they've gotten a few messages through. It's going to be a lot like SK hunting, which isn't really very fun... Other than that I think we'll just see normalish scumplay of pushing mislynches and attempting to look town. There might be some hesitance to vote on to wagons for fear of lynching a buddy. Yeah there's a certain element of not getting shot but I don't think it will radically alter any scum's play. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Isn't this discussing scum strategy? OMG GGQ IS MAFIA. | ||
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On January 26 2012 14:09 Navillus wrote: I am... confused, you say you reread it and changed your mind, but the part that you're saying is good is... the plan, as in the exact part you were arguing against 3 minutes ago. And saying doesn't actually mean that it's not true, the way this reads to me is Rad came up with an objectively good plan for town, you went oh shit and tried to derail it, everyone said wait this is good for town wtf are you doing, and now you're backtracking because you know it's good and arguing against it will get you lynched. The thing is I don't see what you saw on reread that "changed your mind" you're just saying what you said was bad before is good now... ??? Vote: redFF And now a decent wagon has built up you feel safe enough to vote me. Awesome, but wait, WHAT IF IM YOUR BUDDY? I took a step back, calmed down and read Rad's plan without immediately thinking OMG HE'S TELLING US NOT TO BE TRANSPARENT. BADBADBAD On January 26 2012 14:08 Blazinghand wrote: yes you're right if i vote i should do that. my bad oh no wait I already did vote and posted it in the thread how about that I don't like you very much. You're not very funny. On January 26 2012 14:11 Navillus wrote: Why would town be afraid of this? Just saw your post, I didn't want to vote right after you voted/accused me because I thought (and still think) that you would have just called it an OMGUS, now it looks like you've decided to be mad at me for NOT voting for, and I'm sure somehow my voting at this exact moment specifically proves I'm scum too. In other words, you are redirecting. What does that even mean? How am I redirecting? And yes, yes it does. | ||
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The redirecting would be the insane tunneling on me, the reason I wouldn't want that OMGUS would be because I wouldn't want to give you an easy way to redirect which was admittedly stupid, you're obviously going to make some bs case against me no matter what so I'm just gonna focus on getting you lynched.[quote]I'm not sure you know what redirecting means. So you're going to focus on getting me lynched not because you think I'm scummy, but because I'm voting you? Also I don't think you can call something 3 pages into the game tunneling. [quote]On another note, I am leaning very scummy on GGQ, he made one post on radfield's plan ostensibly defending it but ignored jackal and red going after it and then the second red backed down he tried to push the attention elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Scum don't know who their buddies are. Otherwise I agree, GGQ what do you think of the game's interactions so far? | ||
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