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risk.nuke
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On January 26 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote: It's because in the end, we're all winners. Right guys? Right? Yes... It's just a game... *Glares suspiciously at everyone* | ||
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risk.nuke
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Veto I think I would prefer a system where you can send your votes wherever you please. Obviously you will have to tell us what you do. Why is this a better idea then everyone gets the same amount of votes? Mafia can't lurk. Cause lurkers will likely end up on 1 vote and be useless. Mafia will be forced to provide reasoning and...BAH I gtg. See you later. | ||
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risk.nuke
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I'll do exacly as palmar. I'll give my ONE obligatory vote to the person I think is town the most. The vote system seems to me like a very pro-town mechanic. Having a vote circle completly nullfies that. Conclusion: Votecircles are dumb FoS: VE, did you seriously just attempt to lynch palmar day 1. | ||
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On January 27 2012 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe you didn't think about it, or maybe I wasn't clear enough, but you never answered my question risk. If I think that Palmar is scum, perhaps you can enlighten me on why putting my vote on him is scummy? Your random FoS on me is meaningless without the answer to this question, so I'd appreciate an answer. I think it's proposterous that you would legitimatly think palmar is scum based on that. Then I thought it's very suspicious that a townie would try to get the best scumhunter in the game lynched asap. | ||
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Wbg are you telling me you approve of vote circles? | ||
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On January 27 2012 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Yeah, I fully approve of them. I'm going to give Palmar some time to shape up, but if he doesn't agree with this (if he's town he should, it's completely logical) then he should probably die. Anyone who opposes the vote circle plan: please provide reasoning as to why it's bad. I've said several things to why it's bad. Reread what I said. And if you don't understand. Feel free to ask me questions. | ||
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You say that if we lett everyone give thier votes to whoever they want then scum will try to look the most town and that's why it is a bad idea. What you say doesn't even make sense. | ||
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On January 27 2012 09:04 wherebugsgo wrote: uhh of course it does. You say, let's give our votes to whoever looks most town. Scum then simply get votes for doing what would be optimal for them anyway! No doubt scum are going to try to look town. By saying we are going to give the people who look town the votes, we're basically going to reward scum for their play with votes. What YOU are saying doesn't make sense, because you completely overlook this. The most useless players in the game are generally all townies, and so you're basically going to shift votes away from them onto scum and active townies. It will almost always benefit scum because the vote proportion will change just by the fact that the lazy townies won't receive votes while everyone else will. No. I say I will give my votes to whoever I think is town, town isn't goin to hold a moot about it and have everyone send their vote to 1 or 3 people. And tell me how is scum going to act to look pro-town. All we can do to find scum in this game is look for inconsistencies and scummy behavior. Free vote-trading just gives us more to look for and help us get better reads on people. And scum will have to activly post to get votes or have their votes reduced. Which will prevent first of all lurker-scum but also more room to slip and make an error. Also you're going by the assumption that there will be three scum who will look mega town. along with 3-4 townies who will try to play and get killed first while the rest of the town is useless. Thats dumb. Yeah there are a few people in this game that shouldn't be. But you are just either fearfull or purposly fearmongering. Assume the majority of the townies will be regular townies. Not useless lurkers. Please, This was supposed to be a game free of beginers just because of that. There will likely be 1 or 2 useless townies anyway who slinked in. They will have 1 votepower and wont hurt us as much as they could with 3 votes. Consider them as a lurker-bane shot them. You have provided no reasoning for why votecircles are better then free voting other then. Scum will try to look town and get all our votes which is incorrect and dumb-townie at best. Scumplay at worst. I'm off, we'll continue this tomorrow. | ||
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risk.nuke
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Eh. Is Sentinel new? Because in that case what you're experience is the "Someone is disagreeing with me, must be scum syndrome" Otherwise you just gained a few scumpoints. Do you really think scum can you trade votes with eachother. Don't you think that would look ALITTLE suspicious? Everyone including scum will be forced to give their ONE vote. Because I'm not going to discuss any system where you give away more votes then absolutely neccersary. Why? Because only scum knows for sure who the townies are, giving away more is a stupid risk. Anyway back to scum will be forced to give their ONE vote to a player they can give reason for why is town. Because anyone who send a vote and can't later give an acceptable reason they will be sent to the block. You vote for me which is +scumpoints in itself but you provide little reasoning in combination with the he's probably better of dead left jab. Don't care if your new or not that gives you more scumpoints. meatless taco So meatless taco. Do you think you can come into a game and have your first vote be a vote. with no reasoning. Are you trying to get lynched? Can mafia be this stupid? But lets take a step back a second. A majority of the players haven't even had an opinion on vote-circles and there have been very little actuall discussion. Yet some I'd like to note a very interesting observation for this game. This game has a no-flip mechanic. That means townies needs to be extra good in their scumhunting. Personally it makes me feel slightly nervous, as if town is already in a disadvantage. Meatless tacos posts show nothing of the sort a nervous player would post. They have likely had discussions in scum qt where they talk about how they would like to whack me and palmar. Then he comes to the thread. Not the slightest nervous and pulls the classic. "who do we lynch first" win-win situation. Right now If someone pulled a gun to my head and told me to kill 4 people. I'd shoot meatless taco. Sentinel, wbg and paperscraps in that order. Also I'd like to note something alot of you seem to not understand or you have missed. We won't get the role or alignment of people we lynch. We will not get the role of the people who dies at night. But they will almost certainly be town-aligned. | ||
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I'm not sure what I think about sending more votes then you must. + The plus side is more vp remains in play. - On the downside. You don't know for sure the alignment of anyone else. | ||
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@Layabout, you said you thought some stuff I wrote was anti-town. what stuff? | ||
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##Vote Wherebugsgo | ||
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On January 29 2012 09:57 prplhz wrote: so fucking frustrating that we don't get a flip lol yes. you sound very frustrated lol. | ||
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risk.nuke
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And he kept talking all the time about how easy it was for mafia to act pro-town and get all the votes with my plan which is just false because if it was that easy as to look pro-town and not be pro-town. Then scum could roll the game regardless if people give them votes or not because pro-town looking people won't get lynched anyway. It was just fearmongering trying to scare away townies from the correct path. Lastly, when things look dire for him and he has no defense to deploy but he just disapears. | ||
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risk.nuke
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Fearmongering is not debatable. Wbg spoke things that wasn't true so people would do as he wanted out of fear. Whilst I stated a fact. Your third point you can't make anything out of. It's wifom and meta. People do all kinds of weird shit when they are about to get lynched. Personally in my opinion most exept role-claim and arguing for your actions are scum-moves. I'm not going to specculate on how many remaining scum players there is. It's irrelevant if we don't have confirmation. I will lynch my strongest scumread. The # of scum I think is left in the game doesn't affect that (much). I'm against any limitations to vote-trading for the moment. This might change later. | ||
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