Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia I

On December 24 2011 00:40 Misder wrote:
Policy lynches stem from this: Townies have no reason to lurk or lie. Mafia can gain from lurking or lying.

On December 24 2011 01:31 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't think you can get a solid read off a lurking player but feel free to prove me wrong.

Fake role claims need to be lynched ASAP, I don't care if the player might have "looked" green before, it is anti-town so they shouldn't have done. Tthe risks of a fake roleclaim overweigh it's benefits. Hopefully discussing Lynch All Liars beforehand will make it clear to a townie that they shouldn't fake claim.

Let's leave the lurking and the lying to scum players.

On December 24 2011 07:06 sephirotharg wrote:
@ Grack

It's not something I consciously decide at the beginning of the game; it arises mainly due to circumstances and whatnot - for example, in about an hour or so I'll be gone until late tonight, so don't expect much from me later on. I'll be around for the lynch deadline, though, and I intend to be active in the game. I've kept this thread open and refreshing since day 1 started.

@ Shraft

I'm glad that I'm not the only one playing subtly. So far, most people are playing their cards close to their chest, so to speak. When I'm active, I play more fast and loose.

On December 24 2011 08:02 sephirotharg wrote:
@ Shraft

Please re-read the rules. It explicitly states that you may vote for yourself. In fact, here's the quote:

On December 24 2011 08:05 sephirotharg wrote:
Whoops. I should recuse myself at this point from the game - modkill me please, and replace me. I didn't read the rules carefully enough, and edited one of my earlier posts to change some contradictory wording. Assuming hosts agree, I'll no longer be participating in this game for breaking the rules.

On December 24 2011 08:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Errr, that post was during signups, before the game actually started, so it's fine. You would get a warning first anyway.

On December 24 2011 08:14 sephirotharg wrote:
Because I don't desire to appear mafia? If I'm town, the last thing I'd want to do is contradict myself, so it seems natural to me to re-read my posts.

On December 25 2011 02:22 sephirotharg wrote:
Well, you guys wanted my strongest case, so here it is:

Surprise! It's Jaybrundage.

Let's go through this step by step.



1: Interesting how his first substantive post opens with a justification for his seeming lurking. He continues on to say they are "good guidelines" but backs off from this stance by saying they shouldn't be the reason we lynch somebody. I've been accused of preemptively defending my lurking; well, I'm leveling the same charge at Jay.

2: Soft-claiming that lurking is ok is anti-town, right? Then why did you just try to excuse your own lurking? That's anti-town behavior as well.

3: You say that there's no reason for a mafia to vote for their self. Then, realizing that you just implied that I was a townie, you back up and try to posit that there's no reason for a townie to vote for their self. Then you just give up and say you are confused. How does any of this help the town? You argue that my self-vote was a distraction but it's you who attempts to distract the town with this nonsense paragraph.

4: "I seem to want to be voting for the way I'm acting?" What does that even mean? And then you appeal to me to do something, anything at all. Why? You'd prefer for others to be active, if you are mafia. If I'm doing all the talking, you don't have to contribute.

This post is basically a nothing post. Jay tries to excuse his own lurking (and then lurks rather a lot after this, having only 2 additional posts of any length. For a game that's almost 2 days old at this point that is a paltry contribution) and then confuses the issue by saying that my actions make no sense. He reiterates reasons others have laid out for my post seeming scummy but fails to expand on those reasons.

On December 25 2011 02:22 sephirotharg wrote:


I received a warning. Thanks for stating the obvious. Then you say I had "a lot of votes" on myself. At this point, the votes numbered 4, one of which was my own placeholder. 3 votes is "a lot?" No, you just want me to perceive it that way so I panic and mess up. This is further compounded by the fact that you say we have only 2 hours left - an outright lie. Could you have made a mistake? Certainly. But does it benefit you to put more pressure on me? Yes. And then you conclude by asking me for my scum reads - when you yourself haven't contributed at all beyond restating what other people have said.

On December 25 2011 02:22 sephirotharg wrote:



And here you just restate what has already been said. Both of your main points against me have already been noted by this time, by Shraft and Adam a few posts above yours. And then you attack Misder, even though his vote is obviously a pressure vote. You even acknowledge as much by saying "You then vote for me with practically nothing".

You lurk, then make excuses for it. You distract the town from the actual issues, and merely restate points that have already been said. And you react aggressively when the flimsiest of votes is pushed against you. And you push for an early, not fully reasoned-out lynch. None of this behavior makes sense from a town perspective, but it is classic mafia play.

I have my doubts about others, most notably Shraft, but since Jay's response amounts to "it wasn't a sheep vote" he is my prime suspect at this point in time.