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On November 04 2011 11:44 Zona wrote:
Voting System:
This game uses a Majority Multi-Lynch system. During the day, any player may vote for as many other players as he or she wishes. If at any point during the day over half of players alive are voting for a particular player, that player will be condemned to the lynch and will die at the end of that day. It is possible for zero, one, or multiple players to be lynched at the end of any particular day. If you believe you have identified a game breaking strategy due to this alternative lynch system, keep in mind that safeguards have been put in place to prevent degenerate strategies from succeeding for the town. There are hazards in store for the town that lynches too many players in a particular day.
Bleh no time 
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lol @ images in a "no image" game
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On November 10 2011 10:10 redFF wrote:
hey look i have a report button!
oh good fucking god
on an unrelated note, the top ad banner displayed "SMURFS! PLAY AS ONE NOW!" or something like that lolol
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On November 10 2011 11:19 sinani206 wrote:
FUCK YEAH COUPLES THERAPY IS OVER
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I think you got ninjaed rofl
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Just as a heads up for everyone in the thread, I'm going to be pushing for redFF's lynch regardless of my alignment.
Aww yeah.
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On November 11 2011 08:20 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Just as a heads up for everyone in the thread, I'm going to be pushing for redFF's lynch regardless of my alignment.
Aww yeah. sore loser gonna be sore
hey man, I said I'd kill prpl last game.
Thing is, you guys killed him for me!
trololol
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You'll be fine.
Just stay active or I'll lynch you.
+ Show Spoiler +jk I'll probably try lynching you anyway
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Well prpl got lynched day 1 rofl
I was actually laughing about that the other day. Couldn't even shoot him!
Also we "bussedl" each other day 3 rofl
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HE EDITED HIS POST SHOOT HIM
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On November 11 2011 18:07 Palmar wrote:
That's a good thing Greymist, means people are forced to read your stuff.
@DoctorHelvetica: Simply ignoring every post from WBG is a valid strategy. His reads as town are pretty much all over the place and his logic tends to be kinda weird, and he's actually really effective as a distracting scum, so you don't want to be listening to him anyway.
Palmar I thought you loved me
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This thread seems to be getting along pretty well!
Apologies for the inactivity on my part, I've been busy. However, I have a proposal.
We lynch at least two people today, preferably three. However, until the last 24-36 hours of the day only focus on one person at a time. This will help us become organized and use our number advantage. If one person is pushing multiple different wagons at once we get chaos. Chaos is not good. We need productive, organized discussion, and I think this is best served by everyone focusing on a single target until we have enough information and cases in the thread to begin consolidating on a final count of 2-3 targets.
On to asking questions/scumhunting!
On November 15 2011 17:36 prplhz wrote:
Policy lynching is stupid stupid stupid and if we policy lynch ANYTHING it will ONLY help mafia. The day is 72 hours long and you have to post one every 24 hours so lurking should be somewhat dealt with that way. If we lynch lurky people they HAVE to be scummy too, you don't just lynch blindly into inactivity.
Tunneling can be pretty powerful, it is a tool to get a read it should just be used right. Town shouldn't let itself get sidetracked if player A decides that they want to tunnel player B, look at what is happening. Don't just say "lole~(tm) u r tunnl means u r scum". If you want to lynch either a lurker or a liar you ALWAYS need to post analysis of why they are scummy too.
I like what Cyber_Cheese said, Hiroruby has a lot of focus on how to play as mafia. Also, he supports a strict lynch all lurkers policy which, as I have already said, is extremely pro-mafia for painfully obvious reasons.
The multi-lynch system should be used for lynching multiple scum.
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Sorry prpl, I don't see why a lynch lurker policy is "extremely pro-mafia for painfully obvious reasons." Certainly lynch-all-lurkers is not as effective as lynch all liars, but using the multi-lynch system to threaten lurking players is a good way to separate the town lurkers from the scum. Townies will make an active effort to contribute when they realize that they are being deadweight. Scum will not.
For the most part, lurkers are incredibly difficult to read too. Players like Kenpachi and sinani could be of either alignment in any game they play in, and we can barely ever tell. In the end if half the scum left are lurkers we're basically just blindly voting into the pool and crossing our fingers for a scum lynch. If we get rid of the lurkers earlier, we don't have this problem.
Look at PYP:I. I know you were scum there, but in that game the biggest lurking scum all lived the longest, despite taking huge suspicions throughout the game. The good thing there was that there were so many scum that there was never a shortage of active scum, but in this game we don't have that many scum. There's only a handful, so if two or three of them lurk and we don't focus on lurkers we'll have some big problems in a couple of days.
On November 15 2011 17:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 17:43 LSB wrote:On November 15 2011 17:36 prplhz wrote:
Policy lynching is stupid stupid stupid and if we policy lynch ANYTHING it will ONLY help mafia. The day is 72 hours long and you have to post one every 24 hours so lurking should be somewhat dealt with that way. If we lynch lurky people they HAVE to be scummy too, you don't just lynch blindly into inactivity.
Tunneling can be pretty powerful, it is a tool to get a read it should just be used right. Town shouldn't let itself get sidetracked if player A decides that they want to tunnel player B, look at what is happening. Don't just say "lole~(tm) u r tunnl means u r scum". If you want to lynch either a lurker or a liar you ALWAYS need to post analysis of why they are scummy too.
I like what Cyber_Cheese said, Hiroruby has a lot of focus on how to play as mafia. Also, he supports a strict lynch all lurkers policy which, as I have already said, is extremely pro-mafia for painfully obvious reasons.
The multi-lynch system should be used for lynching multiple scum.
##Vote Hiroruby Why do you disagree with Lynch all Liars? I think town shouldn't lie and we should discourage that. Look no further than Team Melee Mini Mafia where the esteemed GMarshal provided a prime example of why a strict lynch-all-liars policy isn't always the greatest as it would have lost town that game. If you are town: do not lie under any circumstances. If you are town and somebody else lies: don't just lynch them because of that alone, even though we have a seemingly unlimited number of lynches at our disposal.
Stop using TMMM as a reason why lynch all liars is bad.
Anyone who is suggesting that in this game is dead wrong. We lynch all liars. Period. If you lie, you die. The reason? Lying is incredibly unlikely to help town.
GM did not help town by lying. Had he not lied in TMMM there is a strong chance that situation wouldn't have occurred and the lynch would've proceeded more easily because of the PC check. Town actually chose the wrong option. Just because they won, doesn't make the decision correct.
With that said, as I was reading the thread I was suspicious of this guy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=50717
because of how he reacted to the discussion. None of the opinions are concrete and he's just sliding by without saying anything. His posts are empty.
I know you're new, man, but if you're town you can't do this. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now, but you need to begin contributing and posting more. I expect to see you build a case on someone and vote them, so we know your line of thought. Please provide something useful.
Also, we find scum by finding inconsistencies and agenda. If people say things that have mafia motivation, they need to die. LAL is one way we find and punish inconsistencies. It's actually a very effective deterrent of dumb play, and I would argue that it's far more useful in decreasing town lynches than actually finding scum, but often times that's exactly what we need to do; limiting the number of town lynched and maximizing the number of scum lynched is one and the same.
My focus for the day:
Chaoser
filter link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=41788&user=41788
Chaoser right now is all over the place. He is not fostering positive discussion. He just OMGUSed sinani, he is pushing three different people right now, and he is using very little reasoning for all of those votes.
Chaoser if you are town, you need to slow down and focus on one person so that your posts are more coherent and readable, or you need to provide more information about your vote targets. Right now you're being incredibly distracting, particularly as people have to keep asking you why you're voting the people you are voting. This OMGUS on sinani, for example:
On November 16 2011 09:15 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 09:07 sinani206 wrote:On November 16 2011 09:06 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 09:03 sinani206 wrote:
wtf
##Vote: chaoser Your not going to lurk the first day, come out of no where and then vote chaoser without reason. FoS sinani206 His posts this game are nothing like what I've seem out of him before and even if I hadn't played with him before, the posts are straight up scummy. 1) Deal with my posts being different. This use of "your posts are different" meta is so stupid I'd gladly post completely differently every single game to kill it. Can't tell if you're mafia or stupid >_> Also while the manner in which I post is different, the reasoning behind my posts isn't, (XXXIX) 2) How are my posts "straight up scummy?" ##Vote: Sinani206I'm so happy I get to vote multiple people
If you can't tell if he's scum or dumb, why did you vote him? It makes no sense using your very own logic. If you can't tell someone's alignment, why would you vote them?
Then, your attacks on Zephirrd are really bad too. He's a new player, and most of what he's saying makes sense. That's better than a lot of other new players. You even admit to making cases "out of nothing" as an attempt to create reactions from other players. That's not a good way to play town and you know it. You should be posting a case on someone after you have subtly pushed them for a while, instead of voting them the instant you think they've said something scummy. That's not reliable.
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oh duh forgot the most important part:
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##Vote: chaoser
missing colon -_-
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Please elaborate how making cases out of nothing does anything to pressure scum?
As soon as you make a baseless case on a scummy or dummy townie they can begin fabricating analysis. In fact, you could lead the whole thread to believe your target is scum when there is no real reason for them to be scum in the first place.
I think we should approach this game more carefully. We have multiple lynches but we will be hurting ourselves if we end up lynching multiple townies instead of scum.
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On November 16 2011 11:39 GreYMisT wrote:
WBG, you also said that we should lynch perferably 3 people today, but focus on only one target during the eairler portions. Don't you think its going to be difficult to decide when we have all decided to lynch someone, and then ignore everything they say while we work out who else to kill? While i feel the same that we should keep focused on one person per day, I think that it would better serve to keep the multi lynch in reserve unless we can all agree to use it.
Nah, remember I said we need to all focus on one person until 24-36 hours before lynch.
Then we start consolidating to get multiple targets. Basically, if one person is working on a case on one person and one person only, it's more effective than if that one person tries splitting their attention to watch four or five at once. It's just not effective.
If we all focus on one target each and then evaluate toward the end of the day, we can sift through the best cases and work on lynching those. However we need activity in the last 24 hours to make this viable, and we'll rack up a lot of posts. But it'll hopefully be the best way to find scum.
What I don't want people doing is what chaoser is doing; just going out there and throwing votes left and right without actually thinking about them. Sure, you can do it if you want, but it's not going to be pretty. The thread will be a mess and you'll have multiple people OMGUSing because they're taking votes.
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looool
I'm not saying focus on ONE target. I'm saying, each person focus on one target for now.
Unless you're sandro and you can peg the entire scumteam at once, it doesn't make much sense to be FoSing like 5 people at once.
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to clarify again, each person go for whoever they think is scummiest. That doesn't mean all of us go for the same person.
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On November 16 2011 12:10 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +What I don't want people doing is what chaoser is doing; just going out there and throwing votes left and right without actually thinking about them. Sure, you can do it if you want, but it's not going to be pretty. The thread will be a mess and you'll have multiple people OMGUSing because they're taking votes. How does my doing something--->lead to everyone else doing the same thing? That's quite a logical leap The fact of the matter is the thread isn't going to be that messy as can be seen in a previous case where I did the same technique and in the end town gains from it.
I didn't suggest everyone would do it. I just said having multiple people do it would create a lot of chaos. How is that a logical leap?
I mean look at had happened already. People are OMGUSing you because you're voting them. It makes things way more complicated than they should be. We play mafia a certain way; we deal with one lynch at a time. This game should be no different IMO, we just in the end use the multilynch system to lynch two or three people.
If any of you played resurrection, you remember how that double lynch system worked? That's how I think it would be best if we play this.
Ultimately we'll need to vote second/third players, but 24-36 hours is more than enough to do that IMO.
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