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GreatFluke
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada40 Posts
October 30 2011 22:52 GMT
#1
For a challenge, I'm trying to do the Bel'shir mission in WoL ideally without any anti-air units, but I may use one if it proves impossible. Im allowing myself turrets (fully upgraded at the armory), but the main idea is that I don't want to use marines or goliaths (besides those I start with and mercs).

How should I go about this? I'm planning on basically massing turrets because I know that the A.I. uses ridiculous amounts of scouts/void rays but I'm not sure if I can build enough turrets around the terrazine patches to defend while harvesting, but then again, maybe I can! Other than that, I was going to snipe harvesting probes with reapers and go mostly for a marauder ball. Anyone know any tricks for me?
Air Attack 2... Anyone?
Callynn
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands917 Posts
October 30 2011 23:15 GMT
#2
I mean no offense when I'm saying you are torturing yourself, there are plenty of brutal achievements that are more realistic and entertaining
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ulan-bat
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
China403 Posts
October 31 2011 00:03 GMT
#3
Take control of the middle asap, always have a line of turrets to fallback to in case you're being overwhelmed and can't get new turrets up.
Use bunkers!
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scrubzor
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia2 Posts
October 31 2011 03:07 GMT
#4
bring a heap of scvs each time you harvest terrazine and mass repair the turrets?
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
October 31 2011 04:15 GMT
#5
Offence, if you want a challenge you might want to try doing it without help from the pros on TL.
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MiKTeX
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States234 Posts
October 31 2011 04:51 GMT
#6
do you have access to orbitals?
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 31 2011 11:21 GMT
#7
On October 31 2011 13:15 oZe wrote:
Offence, if you want a challenge you might want to try doing it without help from the pros on TL.

It's a good way to check if:
1) Your challenge is actually challenging.
2) Your challenge would be well received or not should you decide to do it.
3) Anybody has done it before.
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Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
October 31 2011 12:03 GMT
#8
After this you can play this without Anti-Ground weapons
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sigm
Profile Joined December 2010
192 Posts
October 31 2011 12:16 GMT
#9
All I can say is that you're crazy, man. For me, WTTJ was by very, very far the hardest mission in the game (All In? Easy peasy. In Utter Darkness? Laughable). Just completing it on Brutal took me over 20 attempts, and I though I'd go crazy before getting the achievements. So while I can't really give you any tips on your endeavor, I would absolutely love to see a VOD if you actually manage to do it.
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
October 31 2011 12:34 GMT
#10
On October 31 2011 21:16 sigm wrote:
All I can say is that you're crazy, man. For me, WTTJ was by very, very far the hardest mission in the game (All In? Easy peasy. In Utter Darkness? Laughable). Just completing it on Brutal took me over 20 attempts, and I though I'd go crazy before getting the achievements. So while I can't really give you any tips on your endeavor, I would absolutely love to see a VOD if you actually manage to do it.

that mission isn't hard at all, seriously, it took me a little squad of marine/medics and 2 scvs (my first scv died ) and 15minutes.

Isn't the turret against the rules? you should try to make only marauders and repair your scv gathering the terrazine.
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sigm
Profile Joined December 2010
192 Posts
October 31 2011 13:29 GMT
#11
On October 31 2011 21:34 Superouman wrote:
that mission isn't hard at all, seriously, it took me a little squad of marine/medics and 2 scvs (my first scv died ) and 15minutes.

Isn't the turret against the rules? you should try to make only marauders and repair your scv gathering the terrazine.



My problem was with the fact that the Protoss started taking Terrazine like crazy, and I had no other choice besides spreading my army, which then got demolished by their forces over and over again. Not to mention their constant harrassment of your base. Also, I had no Medic upgrades by that mission, so they were not quite as useful.

And about Turrets, even though they might be "against the rules", it would be possible to complete this mission without any AA whatsoever. Voidrays would melt your base long before you took the required number of wells, also it would be pretty much impossible to take any wells in the first place since the same Voids would kill the SCVs trying to cap, unless you sacrificed other units en masse to distract them or something.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 31 2011 13:34 GMT
#12
ok this seems pretty impossible to do on brutal with no aa, unless you find some very abusive way to handle it
seg.fault
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3 Posts
October 31 2011 14:59 GMT
#13
I did it with turrets+war pigs for anti air. It's pretty challenging (for me) but by no means impossible.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
October 31 2011 19:05 GMT
#14
Destroy all their buildings with reapers before they cap enough terrazine altars. probably just as easy as building turrets all over the map.
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GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
October 31 2011 19:36 GMT
#15
Remember that they can warp in colossi, just like any warpgate unit. That's one thing that caught me off-guard T.T
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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
October 31 2011 21:23 GMT
#16
wait what? warped collosi? :O
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GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
October 31 2011 21:53 GMT
#17
On November 01 2011 06:23 Superouman wrote:
wait what? warped collosi? :O

Yep. I saw the warp-in animation, except about 5x as big. Then suddenly, a colossus. No joke.
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jorge_the_awesome
Profile Joined January 2011
United States463 Posts
October 31 2011 23:16 GMT
#18
On November 01 2011 06:53 GigaFlop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 06:23 Superouman wrote:
wait what? warped collosi? :O

Yep. I saw the warp-in animation, except about 5x as big. Then suddenly, a colossus. No joke.


WAIT WHAT!!! That's really weird, and completely OP.
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penguinking
Profile Joined July 2011
United States23 Posts
November 01 2011 00:22 GMT
#19
are you playing zerg? because you have marines if you are playing Terran and marines with stim are the ultimate anti-unit.
seriously though i just massed a ridiculous amount of marines and medics and then stimmed to win.
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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
November 01 2011 00:27 GMT
#20
On November 01 2011 09:22 penguinking wrote:
are you playing zerg? because you have marines if you are playing Terran and marines with stim are the ultimate anti-unit.
seriously though i just massed a ridiculous amount of marines and medics and then stimmed to win.

You're missing the point. Anyone could MM this mission on brutal, easily. He want's to do a different strategy, not for practicality, but for the challenge.
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