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Toadesstern
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After the last game I told myself to not join another newby-game and wanted to join a big game. However those turn out to be quite complicated (just look at all those roles  ) so I might want to join this if this turns out to be okayish.The next normal mafia is going to start after texas mafia anyways, which hasn't started yet, so I should be fine joining this and afterwards the normal mafia game, since it's probably not going to start before this ended, right? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On October 25 2011 16:59 Zanfada wrote: /in i want to win this one On October 25 2011 18:58 Ciryandor wrote: /in I'm going to get my ass killed in day 1 again, no doubt about that.  At least two people who actually played the last game. And as long as ciry gets killed on day 1 I'm alive on day 2. And if you don't get killed on day 1 I'm going to get you lynched because your obviously scum! :p Just kidding, but it's going to be awesome to know a couple of people and how they play. | ||
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On October 28 2011 06:44 GMarshal wrote: *broohoofs all around* Just because I know it makes kita uncomfortable :-P heyheyhey, I'm a fan too I'm just not posting that much our tl-pony-thread. Also, holy fuck this game filled up fast. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Sooooo guyses, lets get talking. I like the fact that zanfada is posting this game. Last game there was very little until lylo, which was too late so that's awesome. | ||
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Toadesstern
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If you are a dt or medic don't just hide or something. First of all, that really gives you away for mafia and secondly we might end up killing our very own dt or medic because we went for a lurker who turned out to be a blue playing "let's not get any attention or I'm going to get killed by mafia". Unless your coach told you otherwise. In that case just tell him he sucks. Your awesome special powers are not going to safe the day if noones talking at all. To sum it up: post bitches | ||
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Toadesstern
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On October 30 2011 22:51 risk.nuke wrote: You seem awefully keen to make our dt and medic reveal themselves. Are you in bed with Hotbid? nah, I'm kinda paranoid since last game where out of 12 people about 7 got modkilled because they didn't post enough | ||
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Toadesstern
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On October 31 2011 00:47 risk.nuke wrote: I see, but that is unrelated hence your paranoia defense isn't very convincing.. You were just hinting dts and medics to reveal themselves. That is scummy. no the point is, that as a dt or medic you don't want to look like a dt or medic for mafia, because that would be an easy hint for them. So let's say we got 9 people and all of them are posting equally. In that case mafia will have a hard time figurering out who's a blue. If we got 9 people, 6 of them are talking a lot and 3 are not, mafia will have a slight clue and have to decide if it's a guy who just isn't playing this game activ or if it's a guy who does not want to get killed for some reason. I don't want to make a possible dt or medic stand out. I'm saying, that in my opinion posting nothing at all WILL make them stand out and vulnerable. Just take into consideration when I actually made that post: About the time when 4 of us haven't made a post in this thread. Maybe it's 3 I don't know but you get the idea. I just wanted to make sure that there's nobody thinking "oh crap I have to do as little posts as possible as a dt to not give away my secret identy" because that's what came to my mind last game (which was my first game) and I was a dt. I had to change it pretty soon :p Haven't read page 11, am reading right now and will maybe add something. This is just to clear up my "intentions" about that "make medics and dts" post. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On October 31 2011 06:30 Zanfada wrote: Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now. Just to clear things up since you brought that statement last game too. Remember my summary last game? I defended you as well and said that I'm pretty sure you're town. Yeah I was a dt but I never checked you since I checked all 3 reds and still knew you where town. I just wanted to tell the other guy so because he might not find out himself. You told me that looks like scum too and I just got to disagree here. Right now I think you posting little is normal because I saw the last game while a few think it's scummy. A couple guys think I made a scummy post by telling dts not to look like dts and ciry said he doesn't think so, which is a defence for me as well and I haven't got something scummy from him until now. So I got to say that logic is flawed :p I still can't believe how that one guy thought I meant to make dts stand out of the crowd, looks a bit strange as if he wants to get town on someone, but that's just my opinion right now and I got to check what he posts the next couple days :p Ok and now I read that thing from chocolate as well. I want you to explain that. Why is it a fos on ciry. I could understand a fos on zanfa although I don't believe it's strange since it totally fits in his style. Well and ciry is the only guy who started a real discussion. Everyone spammed a bit to get something going at all an he went for real talks, like "explain your thoughts" and stuff and from what I see it looks like he is trying to get people to make quality posts rather than spam. Totally fits in his style as well. Go ahead, blame me for defending, which I still think is wrong at this point, but I want your explanation on this. We obviously got very little right now but given what we have there's definitly people around looking more scummy. | ||
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Toadesstern
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I want you to explain why you think it's a fos on ciry because I think those "X is defending Y" arguments are flawed. I don't think that someone saying "hey that could totally be a normal posting" is scummy at all. Especially given that we know each other a bit. I just said, zanfas posts totally look like zanfas post from last game, which turned out to be town (go ahead and search the old thread) and so do ciry posts. And except for that one point, which I think is not a scum tell (defending someone) I don't think we got something scummy on ciry. | ||
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On October 31 2011 07:39 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @Toad Keep in mind many (most?) people have not played together, if at all, before. So something fitting their style is hard to determine for those of us who haven't. That being said, I will now go look through that game you were in to try to fix that problem. For anyone else interested in doing so as well: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264798 It contains 3 of our current players, Toadesstern, Ciryandor, and Zanfada. It is also pretty short, so shouldn't take too long to read through. Careful with just filtering the three players though, context context context! yeah but that's just what I said. We know each other a bit so I think both look perfectly fine. Zanfas does look a bit strange since he's posting so much but that's a good thing and I'm guessing he improved right now :p Ciry is just like what he did last game and well ciry said something like that about me. So that is why I don't think a statement like "yeah I played last game with him and it kinda looks legit" is scummy and I got to disagree. oh and yeah sry hyshes, will keep quoting from now on. I'm not used to such a fast thread :D So this post was about harb and my last sentece was directed to hyshes. Those 2 before were more of a general post talking to everyone. tell my what you don't like or what you don't think makes sense and I will explain it. Withouth anything it's just nothing you post to make poeple go after someone was directed to hyshes. everything clear now? | ||
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Toadesstern
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 ) but if I had to make a list of people from 1 to 12 where 1 is the guy I think is the most likely to be town and 12 the guy most likely to be mafia in my opinion I'd place ciry somewhere in those top 50% spots.I still think that this is strange. The only reason behind this, as far as I understood it, was ciry "defending" zanfa ? Also, keep in mind getting agressive is kind of a town tell. At least that's what happens to me. Just imagine you post something you think is ok or good, someone quotes it and makes it look like you're scum although you said something totally different, or at least wanted to do so. In that situation I WOULD probably be pissed. At least that's part of the "paranoid-answer" I did on page 9 when you guys asked me about the my post about dt or medics. I just did not think someone could interpretate it that way and thought it's clear and therefore I don't have to explain it. Turned out I was wrong. To sum it up: It might be something but I think it's more of a human nature thing getting into him. Let's face it, if someone accuses you to be mafia and you know yourself you're not the first thing you think is wtf is up with you dude, just reread what I posted. Also he did the exact same thing in the last game. He voted on day1 for me and switched later on his vote and only tried to make me talking. I think those people desperatly trying to point at someone telling us to vote for those guys look way more scummy right now, which is why I still want that explanation from choc. | ||
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Toadesstern
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If we lynch someone who's lurking we got a decent chance of hitting a mafia. Obiously not every mafia style involves lurking. But the two most important parts are (one already mentioned earlier): We force mafia into talking. That's not bad for mafia because of talking but because of talking a lot means a lot of chances of slipping. That's exactly what we want. The more mafia talks, the more likely we're to find something decent out of an analysis. Especially post death. For those who are reading the thread of the last game, take a look at my last post (for those who don't want to read the whole thing just read that one post): Klick me! Just take a look at my analysis. We had 1 guy who made a total of 2 (!) posts and thats all and those other 2 guys made pretty much no posts, as well and STILL we got a decent analysis out of me, not because of what they said but because of what dead, confirmed mafia said (pretty much everything I said about zanfas is stuff from dead mafias except for his one analysis). Just as an example how important this is. That way I at least knew zanfas was 99% town last game. A second point would be our town situation. Of course lynching a mafia is what we want but let's think about what happens if we turn out to lynch a town. If we end up killing a lurking town that's bad because we ended up killing a townie instead of a mafia but killing an active townie is just really bad because killing a townie sucks and on top of that we're destroying townsituation by killing those guys posting. At least as long as it's out of the blue like now. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Also, I'm voting for chocolate. I still think it's a bit strange but I don't like that fosing around like a mad man. Could have been someone else who did so. He just turned out to attack me and since I know I'm not mafia that does sound a bit strange to me :p I'm at university right now, will be back in 4 hours so maybe we got something out of this when I'm back. ##Vote Chocolate | ||
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