Juicebox's "Double Hotkey" Setup

XDJuicebox

United States593 Posts

September 19 2011 00:27 GMT

Hello guys. You may know me from the "How to Dramatically Improve Handspeed" thread (which can be found at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232725 ), but it was not that good, because apparently CecilSunkure decided that

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"This whole thing more just looks like a list of things you like to do since you think you have fast apm. aka you're just showing off.

It would be more helpful if you provided a means to increase handspeed in a game of sc2, and better yet how to convert that apm potential into meaningful actions. I didn't come here to plug, but honestly the thread I wrote on improving in general [I believe] is a much more effective means of becoming a balanced player, and being a balanced and skilled player includes playing quickly and utilizing high apm, rather than just spamming it with a few fingers. I can't stress enough the difference between spamming some keys mid-game and actually using those actions in a useful manner"

-CecilSunkure

So I've decided to create another thread, but this time showing you guys my special hotkey setup.

I don't suggest you copy my hotkey setup EXACTLY, but rather take concepts from it, so you can craft your own that fits you. In fact, don't change your hotkey setup if you're not comfortable doing so.

I crafted my hotkey setup with the following things in mind:

-I play Terran, so this setup is going to be designed towards that
-I play piano, so accuracy isn't an issue and grouping keys together in one spot isn't a problem
-I want my screenkeys easily accessible in conjunction with the shift key
-I don't want my hand to move...at all, so all 10 control groups and all function keys will be compressed into the left hand side of the keyboard
-I like Bravotango's "Base J" setup, so I'm going to incorporate elements from that into it

Now, here's a concept I want to introduce to you guys. It might not make that big of a difference, but it has for me at least.

"Double" Hotkeys (Or Alternate Hotkeys)

Did you know that for every single hotkey that you set, you can set an alternate? And if you hit both at the same time, it reads as 2 actions instead of 1?

What does this mean? It means you can train the same unit twice as fast. You see people repeatedly hitting the A key for Marines like 8 times, then they can hit 2 keys 4 times. This is the center of my hotkey setup.

So, without further ado, here is my hotkey setup.

Control Groups:

W = Command Centers
E = Barracks, Factories, Starports
R = A scout, or harassment, something I need to put a lot of attention on
Q = Something in the process of building (a third, a Ghost Academy, a Fusion core...) so that I can regularly check on it
Tab = Unused, maybe a few SCVs if I need to pull them in an energency
4,5,6 = Army
Alt = Armories & Engineering Bays
Caps Lock (Yes, I use caps lock) = A few SCVs to make Supply Depots

Idle Worker = `
Cycle Through = Spacebar

Screen Keys: Z, X, C, V, F1, F2, F3, F4

(Note that I do have different variations for other races, I'll post them below)

Terran Hotkeys:

Barracks:
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D, F = Marine
S, G = Marauder
B = Reaper
A = Ghost

Factory:
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F, D = Hellion
S, G = Siege Tank
A = Thor

Starport:
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F, D = Viking
S, G = Medivac
A = Banshee
B = Raven
N = Battlecruiser

All Buildings:
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1 = Liftoff
H = Set Rally Point
T = Tech Lab
Y = Reactor
B = Load

Command Center/Orbital:
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F = SCV
D = Mule
S = Calldown Supply
A = Scan
T = Orbital
Y = Planetary

Universal:
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2 = Hold Position
3 = Patrol
A = Attack
S = Stop
7 = Move (I don't think you're ever going to use move command...and if you do, well...)

SCV:
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F = Build
D = Advanced
FF = Barracks
FD = Refinery
FS = CC
FA = Depot
FG = Ebay
F2 = Bunker (You don't hit the F1-4 keys, you hit the F key and then 2)
F3 = Turret
F1 = Sensor Tower
DF = Armory
DD = Ghost Academy
DS = Starport
DA = Factory
DG = Fusion Core
G = Repair
T = Gather
Y = Return Cargo

Everything Else:
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F = Primary Action/Spell (Stim, 250mm Strike Cannon, Siege Mode, etc.)
D = Secondary Action (Tank mode, Viking Ground Mode, etc.)
T = Cloaking
Y = Decloak

And yeah...

So, why did I map the things out the way I did? Well, your hand is parked over ASDF.

Literally, to make a few SCVs, I just hit wff. My hand does not move at all.

Let's say I have 5 Barracks, 1 Reactor 4 Techlab. I then hit edfgsgs. (Note that D and F are hit at the same time using 2 fingers, same with S and G)

Then I double tap Caps Lock and build 2 depots.

Just something to think about ^_^

Literally, after I started using double hotkeys, production was twice as fast, and I had more time to do other things. Such as type, micro, etc...

So I said I would post my Protoss/Zerg variations. Well, here they are.

Double Hotkeys don't really benefit Zerg/Protoss as much as they do Terran, since with Terran the goal is to produce a certain amount of units relatively quickly, whereas with Protoss and Zerg it's mostly holding down a button.

So with Zerg, it's essentially the same.

With Protoss, Caps Lock is given the Warp Gate button, and H is given to a Probe that builds Pylons.

Configuration File

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[Settings]
AllowSetConflicts=1

[Hotkeys]
Music=NumPad4
PTT=NumPad5
NamePanel=NumPad1
StatPanelUnitsLost=NumPad2
StatPanelAPM=NumPad3
ToggleWorldPanel=
AlertRecall=Backspace
ControlGroupAppend0=Shift+Tab
ControlGroupAppend1=Shift+W
ControlGroupAppend2=Shift+E
ControlGroupAppend3=Shift+R
ControlGroupAppend7=Shift+Alt
ControlGroupAppend8=Shift+CapsLock
ControlGroupAppend9=Shift+Q
ControlGroupAssign0=Control+Tab
ControlGroupAssign1=Control+W
ControlGroupAssign2=Control+E
ControlGroupAssign3=Control+R
ControlGroupAssign7=Control+Alt
ControlGroupAssign8=Control+CapsLock
ControlGroupAssign9=Control+Q
ControlGroupRecall0=Tab
ControlGroupRecall1=W
ControlGroupRecall2=E
ControlGroupRecall3=R
ControlGroupRecall7=Alt
ControlGroupRecall8=CapsLock
ControlGroupRecall9=Q
IdleWorker=Grave
InventoryButtonUse0=Control+NumPad1
InventoryButtonUse1=Control+NumPad2
InventoryButtonUse2=Control+NumPad3
InventoryButtonUse3=Control+NumPad4
InventoryButtonUse4=Control+NumPad5
InventoryButtonUse5=Control+NumPad6
QuickSave=NumPad6
StatusAll=
StatusOwner=
SubgroupNext=Space
SubgroupPrev=
TownCamera=J
WarpIn=P
CameraSave0=Control+Z
CameraSave1=Control+X
CameraSave2=Control+C
CameraSave3=Control+V
CameraSave4=F5
CameraSave5=F6
CameraSave6=F7
CameraSave7=F8
CameraView0=Z
CameraView1=X
CameraView2=C
CameraView3=V
CameraView4=F1
CameraView5=F2
CameraView6=F3
CameraView7=F4

[Commands]
250mmStrikeCannons/Thor=F
AWrp=G
ArchonHallucination/Sentry=1
Armory/SCV=F
Assimilator/Probe=D
AutoTurret/Raven=F
Baneling/Zergling=F
Baneling/Zergling2=F
BanelingNest/Drone=1
Banshee/Starport=A
Barracks/SCV=F
Battlecruiser/Starport=N
Blink/Stalker=F
BroodLord/Corruptor=D
BuildCreepTumor/Queen=D
BuildCreepTumor/Queen2=D
BuildCreepTumorPropagate/CreepTumorBurrowed=F
BuildTechLabFactory/FactoryFlying=T
BuildTechLabStarport/StarportFlying=T
Bunker/SCV=2
BunkerLoad=B
BurrowDown=1
BurrowUp=1
CalldownMULE/OrbitalCommand=D
Carrier/Stargate=A
Charge/Zealot=F
CloakOff=Y
CloakOnBanshee=T
Colossus/RoboticsFacility=D
ColossusHallucination/Sentry=N
CommandCenter/SCV=S
CommandCenterLoad=B
Contaminate/Overseer=F
CorruptionAbility/Corruptor=F
Corruptor/Larva=1
CyberneticsCore/Probe=3
DarkShrine/Probe=G
DarkTemplar=G
EMP/Ghost=F
EngineeringBay/SCV=G
EvolutionChamber/Drone=G
EvolveCentrificalHooks/BanelingNest=F
EvolveChitinousPlating/UltraliskCavern=F
EvolveGlialRegeneration/RoachWarren=F
EvolveInfestorEnergyUpgrade/InfestationPit=F
EvolveTunnelingClaws/RoachWarren=D
EvolveVentralSacks=3
Explode/Baneling=F
Explode/BanelingBurrowed=F
Explode/baneling=F
Explode/baneling2=F
Extractor/Drone=D
Factory/SCV=A
Feedback/HighTemplar=D
FighterMode=F
FleetBeacon/Probe=3
Forge/Probe=G
FusionCore/SCV=G
Gateway/Probe=F
GatherProt=T
Ghost/Barracks=A
GhostAcademy/SCV=D
GhostHoldFire/Ghost=Y
GravitonBeam/Phoenix=F
GreaterSpire/Spire=A
GuardianShield/Sentry=D
Hallucination/Sentry=G
Halt=B
Hatchery/Drone=S
Heal/Medivac=F
Heal/Medivac2=F
Hellion/Factory=F,D
HighTemplar=A
HighTemplarHallucination/Sentry=G
Hive/Lair=A
HunterSeekerMissile/Raven=G
Hydralisk/Larva=B
HydraliskDen/Drone=F
Immortal/RoboticsFacility=S
ImmortalHallucination/Sentry=A
InfestationPit/Drone=A
InfestedTerrans/Infestor=G
InfestedTerrans/Infestor2=G
InfestedTerrans/InfestorBurrowed=G
Infestor/Larva=3
Interceptor/Carrier=F
Lair/Hatchery=A
Land=1
Larva=F
Lift=1
Lower/SupplyDepot=F
Marauder/Barracks=S,G
Marine/Barracks=F,D
MassRecall/Mothership=F
Medivac/Starport=S,G
MissileTurret/SCV=3
MorphBackToGateway/WarpGate=2
MorphMorphalisk/Queen=F
MorphMorphalisk/Queen2=F
MorphToOverseer/Overlord=F
Mothership/Nexus=A
Move=BackSlash
MoveHoldPosition=2
MovePatrol=3
Mutalisk/Larva=2
NeuralParasite/Infestor=D
NeuralParasite/Infestor2=D
Nexus/Probe=S
NukeArm/GhostAcademy=G
NukeCalldown/Ghost=G
NydusNetwork/Drone=D
Observer/RoboticsFacility=F
OrbitalCommand/CommandCenter=T
Overlord/Larva=A
PhasingMode/WarpPrism=F
Phoenix/Stargate=F
PhoenixHallucination/Sentry=3
PhotonCannon/Probe=2
Probe/Nexus=F
ProbeHallucination/Sentry=F
ProtossAirArmorLevel1/CyberneticsCore=D
ProtossAirWeaponsLevel1/CyberneticsCore=F
ProtossBuild/Probe=F
ProtossBuildAdvanced/Probe=D
ProtossGroundWeaponsLevel1/Forge=F
PsiStorm/HighTemplar=F
Pylon/Probe=A
Queen=D
Raise/SupplyDepotLowered=F
Rally=H
Raven/Starport=B
Reactor/Barracks=Y
Reactor/BarracksFlying=Y
Reactor/Factory=Y
Reactor/FactoryFlying=Y
Reactor/Starport=Y
Reactor/StarportFlying=Y
Reaper/Barracks=B
ReaperSpeed/BarracksTechLab=A
Refinery/SCV=D
Repair=G
ResearchBansheeCloak/StarportTechLab=F
ResearchBattlecruiserEnergyUpgrade/FusionCore=D
ResearchBattlecruiserSpecializations/FusionCore=F
ResearchBurrow=1
ResearchCharge/TwilightCouncil=F
ResearchDurableMaterials/StarportTechLab=S
ResearchExtendedThermalLance/RoboticsBay=F
ResearchGhostEnergyUpgrade/GhostAcademy=D
ResearchGraviticBooster/RoboticsBay=A
ResearchGraviticDrive/RoboticsBay=D
ResearchHallucination/CyberneticsCore=S
ResearchHiSecAutoTracking/EngineeringBay=S
ResearchHighCapacityBarrels/FactoryTechLab=F
ResearchNeosteelFrame/EngineeringBay=G
ResearchNeuralParasite/InfestationPit=D
ResearchPersonalCloaking/GhostAcademy=F
ResearchPsiStorm/TemplarArchive=F
ResearchPunisherGrenades/BarracksTechLab=S
ResearchRavenEnergyUpgrade/StarportTechLab=G
ResearchSeekerMissile/StarportTechLab=D
ResearchShieldWall/BarracksTechLab=F
ResearchSiegeTech/FactoryTechLab=D
ResearchStalkerTeleport/TwilightCouncil=D
ResearchStrikeCannons/FactoryTechLab=A
ResearchWarpGate/CyberneticsCore=A
ReturnCargo=Y
Roach/Larva=G
RoachWarren/Drone=A
RoboticsBay/Probe=D
RoboticsFacility/Probe=F
SCV=F
Salvage/Bunker=G
SapStructure/Baneling=D
SapStructure/baneling=D
SapStructure/baneling2=D
Scan/OrbitalCommand=A
SelectBuilder=2
SensorTower/SCV=1
Sentry=S
SetBunkerRallyPoint/Bunker=H
SiegeMode=F
SiegeTank/Factory=S,G
Snipe/Ghost=D
SpawnChangeling/Overseer=D
SpawningPool/Drone=F
SpineCrawler/Drone=2
SpineCrawlerRoot/SpineCrawlerUprooted=F
SpineCrawlerUproot/SpineCrawler=F
SporeCrawler/Drone=3
SporeCrawlerRoot/SporeCrawlerUprooted=F
SporeCrawlerUproot/SporeCrawler=F
Stalker=D
Stim=F
Stimpack/BarracksTechLab=D
StopGenerateCreep/Overlord=1
StopPlanetaryFortress/PlanetaryFortress=S
SummonNydusWorm/NydusNetwork=F
SupplyDepot/SCV=A
SupplyDrop/OrbitalCommand=S
TechLabBarracks/Barracks=T
TechLabBarracks/BarracksFlying=T
TechLabFactory/Factory=T
TechLabStarport/Starport=T
TemplarArchive/Probe=2
TerranBuild/SCV=F
TerranBuildAdvanced/SCV=D
TerranInfantryArmorLevel1/EngineeringBay=D
TerranInfantryWeaponsLevel1/EngineeringBay=F
TerranShipPlatingLevel1/Armory=A
TerranVehiclePlatingLevel1/Armory=D
TerranVehicleWeaponsLevel1/Armory=F
Thor/Factory=A
TimeWarp/Nexus=D
Transfusion/Queen=G
Transfusion/Queen2=G
TransportMode/WarpPrism=F
TwilightCouncil/Probe=A
Ultralisk/Larva=N
UltraliskCavern/Drone=G
UpgradeBuildingArmorLevel1/EngineeringBay=A
UpgradeToPlanetaryFortress/CommandCenter=Y
UpgradeToWarpGate/Gateway=2
VikingFighter/Starport=F,D
VoidRay/Stargate=D
VoidRayHallucination/Sentry=2
Vortex/Mothership=D
WarpPrismHallucination/Sentry=B
WeaponsFree/Ghost=Y
YamatoGun=F
Zealot=F
ZealotHallucination/Sentry=D
ZergBuild/Drone=F
ZergBuildAdvanced/Drone=D
Zergling/Larva=S
overlordspeed=2
zergflyerarmor1=D
zergflyerattack1=F
zerggroundarmor1/EvolutionChamber=D
zerglingattackspeed/SpawningPool=D
zerglingmovementspeed/SpawningPool=F
zergmeleeweapons1/EvolutionChamber=F

Five Months Later

I have been playing with this setup for 5 months now. I regularly test out new setups, or try new things, but this is probably the most efficient I've gotten it to. I've tried left side of the keyboard, right side of the keyboard, using the freaking number pad (I actually got pretty fast, should I post that? It's actually a really good setup...if you're willing to get used to it >

), and everything, and this is my masterpiece.

I compare my own FPVODs to those of people I watch, and I spend a lot less time macroing than they do. In fact...sometimes I spam regularly because I actually have nothing to do.

There are a few things I would like to add though.

-I have begun using R and TAB in conjunction when I have 2 groups of harassment.
-The Q hotkey is extremely useful. Once you integrate it into tapping, your tech will never be delayed ever again...
-I rely on an innate timing sense to remember to tap alt for upgrades. What I used to do before this developed was to put Barracks, Engineering Bays, Factories, Armories, and Starports all in the same hotkey (you had to double tap between each, but you'd never forget upgrades...ever). You may wish to try this.
-As a Protoss, Chronoboosting Probes is ridiculously easy with the ZDclickXDclick combo. I'm quite content with it.
-As a Zerg, there is no real way to inject quickly with this setup. I currently just use the screenkeys to cycle between the bases.
-I have made one small correction; I moved Calldown Supply to G, and the alternate hotkey for SCV to S. So now, spamming sfsfsf makes me some SCVs...

HarryDresden

United States59 Posts

September 19 2011 00:32 GMT

This just looks like something that you spend a lot of time on and get nothing out of it, AKA you're just showing off.

May i reccomend more time on the ladder and practicing rather than just Yabot.

Oh, and I'd also like to reccomend cecilsunkure's guide, that way you can effectively improve instead of just trying to play faster and not do anything with it.

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garlicface

Canada4196 Posts

September 19 2011 00:34 GMT

Just out of curiosity, what league are you OP?

XDJuicebox

United States593 Posts

September 19 2011 00:35 GMT

On September 19 2011 09:34 garlicface wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what league are you OP?

Oh, I was Platinum when I wrote the Handspeed thread

I'm High Diamond now.

kofman

Andorra698 Posts

September 19 2011 00:37 GMT

On September 19 2011 09:35 XDJuicebox wrote:

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Oh, I was Platinum when I wrote the Handspeed thread

I'm High Diamond now.

I think the time that you spent making a new hotkey system, plus writing up the articles for them on TL, could have been used to get you into masters.

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SuPerFlyTNT

United States145 Posts

September 19 2011 00:38 GMT

wait. I don't know alot about hotkey changing cuz mine are pretty close to standard but, what happens to spell effects that you've used the hotkey for a control group? i.e. snipe and r for a scout.

Edit, every response so far otherwise has been pretty douche baggy

HarryDresden

United States59 Posts

September 19 2011 00:38 GMT

See what im saying, Juicebox? Just read Sunkure's guide it will be much faster

XDJuicebox

United States593 Posts

September 19 2011 00:38 GMT

On September 19 2011 09:37 kofman wrote:

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I think the time that you spent making a new hotkey system, plus writing up the articles for them on TL, could have been used to get you into masters.

Computer's been broken. Just trying to be productive while it was :/

On September 19 2011 09:38 SuPerFlyTNT wrote:
wait. I don't know alot about hotkey changing cuz mine are pretty close to standard but, what happens to spell effects that you've used the hotkey for a control group? i.e. snipe and r for a scout.

Snipe for me is mapped on D. I'll upload my hotkey configuration in a bit

HarryDresden

United States59 Posts

September 19 2011 00:39 GMT

In that time youve been spending showing off you could have gotten a job

SuPerFlyTNT

United States145 Posts

September 19 2011 00:41 GMT

#10

I hope that HarryDresden and OP are friends, otherwise HarryDresden is a cunt and should be warned/banned. Just flaming. Now ban me for flaming him?

XDJuicebox

United States593 Posts

September 19 2011 00:43 GMT

#11

On September 19 2011 09:41 SuPerFlyTNT wrote:
I hope that HarryDresden and OP are friends, otherwise HarryDresden is a cunt and should be warned/banned. Just flaming. Now ban me for flaming him?

Yeah, we're pretty good friends he's just being retarded lol

HarryDresden

United States59 Posts

September 19 2011 00:49 GMT

#12

Dude im just giving my advice >.>

Demonace34

United States2493 Posts

September 19 2011 01:01 GMT

#13

On September 19 2011 09:49 HarryDresden wrote:
Dude im just giving my advice >.>

Yeah but your advice is bad. You could do this instead of what you are doing. Maybe he likes trying to find an efficient hotkey setup. I could say that you wasted your time posting on this thread and should be laddering instead to get into X league. Just let people allocate their time the way they want to.

I think it is a cool idea to make alternate keys to make it faster (it also keeps your hand as a whole more active). Having everything on the left hand side of the keyboard is also nice and is more efficient use of your hand speed and energy. I won't be using this because I've already have my own habits, but it makes me think about changing some keys around.

N3rV[Green]

United States1935 Posts

September 19 2011 01:06 GMT

#14

Thread is a time bomb......

Can't wait.

On topic though, I feel that altering hotkey setups will only do so much for a person....The fact that your hand doesn't move at all isn't making you better, it's just lazy in my eyes.

Pretty much, in my mind, if BW pro's can do it with such brilliance, why bother messing with the hotkeys at all?

XDJuicebox

United States593 Posts

September 19 2011 01:09 GMT

#15

On September 19 2011 10:06 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Thread is a time bomb......

Can't wait.

On topic though, I feel that altering hotkey setups will only do so much for a person....The fact that your hand doesn't move at all isn't making you better, it's just lazy in my eyes.

Pretty much, in my mind, if BW pro's can do it with such brilliance, why bother messing with the hotkeys at all?

I played Brood War. And I was decently fast, I was like a ~250 APM Terran.

This is mainly because I'm very lazy, yes.

And the point of this was to just throw some ideas out there, and introduce the concept of Alternate Hotkeys ^_^

I just used my setup as an example

chocolatebunny

301 Posts

September 19 2011 01:10 GMT

#16

well i think that being able to do something twice in one click would actually be helpful.
ie. being able build 2 marines by pressing down two the main and the alternate hotkey for build marine.

XDJuicebox

United States593 Posts

September 19 2011 01:14 GMT

#17

On September 19 2011 10:10 chocolatebunny wrote:
well i think that being able to do something twice in one click would actually be helpful.
ie. being able build 2 marines by pressing down two the main and the alternate hotkey for build marine.

That's exactly what this is lol ^_^

Demonace34

United States2493 Posts

September 19 2011 01:28 GMT

#18

Have to disagree, Liquid`Tyler has also changed his keys to make more efficient use of his hands. Just think, instead of reaching with your fingers it allows you to switch between hotkeys and control groups faster. Lazy would be not using hotkeys because they are too far away from your fingers.