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On September 19 2011 10:06 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Thread is a time bomb......
Can't wait.
On topic though, I feel that altering hotkey setups will only do so much for a person....The fact that your hand doesn't move at all isn't making you better, it's just lazy in my eyes.
Pretty much, in my mind, if BW pro's can do it with such brilliance, why bother messing with the hotkeys at all?
Also sorry for double post, but i had to reply to this gem of idiocy.
Hes making things easier. Your right that is just lazy. WHy use hotkeys at all for that matter. Just lazy, jesus use your mouse.
Also saying if a pro cant do it why cant you, well, there are no words for how retarded that is. Why cant you split marines like a GM? Pros can. Why cant you?
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On September 19 2011 10:29 HarryDresden wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:01 Demonace34 wrote:On September 19 2011 09:49 HarryDresden wrote:
Dude im just giving my advice >.> Yeah but your advice is bad. You could do this instead of what you are doing. Maybe he likes trying to find an efficient hotkey setup. I could say that you wasted your time posting on this thread and should be laddering instead to get into X league. Just let people allocate their time the way they want to. I think it is a cool idea to make alternate keys to make it faster (it also keeps your hand as a whole more active). Having everything on the left hand side of the keyboard is also nice and is more efficient use of your hand speed and energy. I won't be using this because I've already have my own habits, but it makes me think about changing some keys around. In that case Cecil Sunkure's advice is bad. Is his advice bad?
No I didn't talk about his advice. Cecil said that the OP's other thread was just showing off. This is a new thread about his more efficient hotkey setup. Read Cecil's quote again.
"This whole thing more just looks like a list of things you like to do since you think you have fast apm. aka you're just showing off.
It would be more helpful if you provided a means to increase handspeed in a game of sc2, and better yet how to convert that apm potential into meaningful actions. I didn't come here to plug, but honestly the thread I wrote on improving in general [I believe] is a much more effective means of becoming a balanced player, and being a balanced and skilled player includes playing quickly and utilizing high apm, rather than just spamming it with a few fingers. I can't stress enough the difference between spamming some keys mid-game and actually using those actions in a useful manner"
-Cecil Sunkure
The thread isn't about spamming keys, it is about using alternate keys along with a hotkey setup that is less tasking on how much you have to stretch to get to certain keys. This allows for better overall use of hotkeys and control groups throughout the game.
I do agree with Cecil, that the other thread about increasing hand speed was more about showing off that he had fast hands then actually learning how to put that to good use.
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I think you shouldn't be doing these innovative hotkeys till you hit masters.
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my only problem is with the twice the speed nonsense. When I build units the thing that takes longest is thinking about what unit to make not pressing the button. ie example:
now instead of pressing A twice to make a marine and take 0.1 seconds to do so, you can press A and F and take 0.1 seconds to do so
twice the speeEED!
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On September 19 2011 10:38 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:29 HarryDresden wrote:On September 19 2011 10:01 Demonace34 wrote:On September 19 2011 09:49 HarryDresden wrote:
Dude im just giving my advice >.> Yeah but your advice is bad. You could do this instead of what you are doing. Maybe he likes trying to find an efficient hotkey setup. I could say that you wasted your time posting on this thread and should be laddering instead to get into X league. Just let people allocate their time the way they want to. I think it is a cool idea to make alternate keys to make it faster (it also keeps your hand as a whole more active). Having everything on the left hand side of the keyboard is also nice and is more efficient use of your hand speed and energy. I won't be using this because I've already have my own habits, but it makes me think about changing some keys around. In that case Cecil Sunkure's advice is bad. Is his advice bad? No I didn't talk about his advice. Cecil said that the OP's other thread was just showing off. This is a new thread about his more efficient hotkey setup. Read Cecil's quote again. "This whole thing more just looks like a list of things you like to do since you think you have fast apm. aka you're just showing off. It would be more helpful if you provided a means to increase handspeed in a game of sc2, and better yet how to convert that apm potential into meaningful actions. I didn't come here to plug, but honestly the thread I wrote on improving in general [I believe] is a much more effective means of becoming a balanced player, and being a balanced and skilled player includes playing quickly and utilizing high apm, rather than just spamming it with a few fingers. I can't stress enough the difference between spamming some keys mid-game and actually using those actions in a useful manner" -Cecil Sunkure The thread isn't about spamming keys, it is about using alternate keys along with a hotkey setup that is less tasking on how much you have to stretch to get to certain keys. This allows for better overall use of hotkeys and control groups throughout the game. I do agree with Cecil, that the other thread about increasing hand speed was more about showing off that he had fast hands then actually learning how to put that to good use.
The reason I wrote that thread was because I saw that one of my friends had retardedly slow fingers, so I converted some of my piano drills into drills for the keyboard. That was about it lol.
Well, I can't play since my computer is broken. And I was on a car ride when I came up with the hotkey setup. It took a grand total of 1 hour to get used to it.
And you shouldn't ever have to think about what unit to make...
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As a terran I like it. The pros say it takes a month to learn a new hotkey setup and if I could find the courage to suck for a month I would try this out.
I have the standard setup but maybe I could bind marines to both a and a+mouse button 4 and alternative clicking between them.
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I like the idea in concept. As zerg, I do something similar, and although I can't contribute to your terran version, a few notes on my own hotkey setup:
I have every useful unit function bound to one (or more) of the following keys:
QWERTY GH B
- I feel like this is only possible with Zerg because this race has the fewest buildings, abilities, and units of the three races.
I have camera hotkeys bound to the following keys:
A S D F* Z X C V (space)
- Because I feel like camera hotkeys are in general more useful for zerg than any other race, I set up my keys with that in mind. F stores my current location, and spacebar recalls it after I've checked my camera keys. So, instead of using a "tap" method to check production, etc. I use a "camera rolling" method where I can quickly scan all important areas of the map without losing control of the unit(s) I'm microing. (FDSA VCXZ space rolls very nicely too for me).
And then for hotkeys I use ~, 1 to 7, and rarely 8 or 9 (also f3, f4).
(sorry for the lack of contribution to your own post. These threads seem to just devolve into people sharing their own custom hotkey setups and it's difficult to do more than offer general rules in my opinion, which you have done in the OP.)
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Hey OP, whos that friend?
Oh, and, Demonace, Cecil DID suggest that you ignore those drills and just read his guide, pretty close to what i did.
Same kind of advice.
Wether its good or not is a matter of opinion. I thought it was great advice so i posted, sorry if i seemed stern. Op just seems a little slow in my eyes
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On September 19 2011 11:10 HarryDresden wrote:
Hey OP, whos that friend?
Oh, and, Demonace, Cecil DID suggest that you ignore those drills and just read his guide, pretty close to what i did.
Same kind of advice.
Wether its good or not is a matter of opinion. I thought it was great advice so i posted, sorry if i seemed stern. Op just seems a little slow in my eyes
Smh
Dude can you like go somewhere else?
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On September 19 2011 09:27 XDJuicebox wrote:
-I like Bravotango's "Base J" setup, so I'm going to incorporate elements from that into it
Hey, thanks for the reference to the Base J setup I put together. I had been contemplating posting an update, as I've made some changes, and IMO made it even better. Not to mention, I have it setup for all 3 races, since I've been playing random for fun. It's even more condensed than before, which is crazy.
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On September 19 2011 09:37 kofman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:35 XDJuicebox wrote:On September 19 2011 09:34 garlicface wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what league are you OP? Oh, I was Platinum when I wrote the Handspeed thread I'm High Diamond now. I think the time that you spent making a new hotkey system, plus writing up the articles for them on TL, could have been used to get you into masters.
Why you gotta be a dick? seriously hes trying to contribute to the community and this is what you say? Seriously some people
Nice write up thanks!
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The idea is nice and unique, but it won't bring any drastic changes to someone's skill level and the time spent for most people to learn an entire different hotkey scheme won't be worth it. And to me personally even as a piano player, there's a negligible difference in hitting one button 8 times and 2 buttons 4 times. With that being said, there is no harm to doing this just like how there is no difference in the people who use grid and the people who use standard.
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I definitely agree with the concept of keeping all your hotkeys on the left side of the board (assuming one is right handed). I moved all the clunky upgrade hotkeys so that for each building they lie along the A S D F row (as zerg). Saying it is "lazy" to move hotkeys to more efficient spots is like saying it is lazy to click on the minimap, you should just scroll there instead. Anything that can improve efficiency without sacrificing anything should definitely be incorporated into ones play.
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On September 19 2011 11:53 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:37 kofman wrote:On September 19 2011 09:35 XDJuicebox wrote:On September 19 2011 09:34 garlicface wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what league are you OP? Oh, I was Platinum when I wrote the Handspeed thread I'm High Diamond now. I think the time that you spent making a new hotkey system, plus writing up the articles for them on TL, could have been used to get you into masters. Why you gotta be a dick? seriously hes trying to contribute to the community and this is what you say? Seriously some people Nice write up thanks!
Yeah, I agree. This post was one that I was going to respond to, but neglected. I think if you can find a great hotkey and control group setup early on, then it will get you to master's faster. Pretty silly to do it the other way around.
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On September 19 2011 11:49 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:27 XDJuicebox wrote:
-I like Bravotango's "Base J" setup, so I'm going to incorporate elements from that into it
Hey, thanks for the reference to the Base J setup I put together. I had been contemplating posting an update, as I've made some changes, and IMO made it even better. Not to mention, I have it setup for all 3 races, since I've been playing random for fun. It's even more condensed than before, which is crazy.
Lol no problem
You changed my life ^_^
You should update it :D
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Interesting... I guess. I just think it is highly confusing, and wouldn't yield dividends in terms of speed and/or efficiency, considering the amount of time it takes to learn. That's just my opinion though - I feel "fancy" things, like people who buy advanced light-up keyboards or shiny headphones are making an excuse to try and get more skilled, instead of just doing what you need to do, which is play the game the way it's made.
Also, unless I am mistaken, *most* tournaments / LANs do not allow remapping of hotkeys (default hotkeys used; atleast that is how GSL is). So I find this useless if you want to become competitive, which is the only setting in which "hand speed" would matter (as in, more than Battle.net).
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Wow, why complain if someone is just sharing with the community what works for them?
It makes complete sense that if your bunching up your hotkeys in one area it "might" increase your apm futher increasing the size of the picture you can draw in-game.
Those who are saying it's "lazy," I think it's far from lazy considering I myself cbf to learn a whole new set of hotkeys. Why? because I'M LAZY!.. lol.
However, I've only "just" started utilising every hotkey.... there is no way in hell I would change that all now. It would be like starting over again lol. But I guess it could be more beneficial in the long run. hmmmmmm.
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On September 19 2011 12:15 gulati wrote:
Interesting... I guess. I just think it is highly confusing, and wouldn't yield dividends in terms of speed and/or efficiency, considering the amount of time it takes to learn. That's just my opinion though - I feel "fancy" things, like people who buy advanced light-up keyboards or shiny headphones are making an excuse to try and get more skilled, instead of just doing what you need to do, which is play the game the way it's made.
Also, unless I am mistaken, *most* tournaments / LANs do not allow remapping of hotkeys (default hotkeys used; atleast that is how GSL is). So I find this useless if you want to become competitive, which is the only setting in which "hand speed" would matter (as in, more than Battle.net).
Well, the person who played at YellOw's computer at the Code A qualifiers used a different hotkey setup...so YellOw was confused...
And my friend used an altered hotkey setup at MLG.
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I like it. Not enough people are active with mapping their hotkeys. The best way to use hotkeys is to contrive a good system and then stick to it until its reflex. You need to ingrain good and efficient habits before they set.
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