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HOW TO AVOID A DAY 1 SHITSTORM by Radfield Raddisson The key to avoiding a crappy Day 1 culminating in a no-evidence townie lynch is to figure out our priorities. What do we actually want on Day 1? First, we want to get everyone down on paper. Thoughts, feelings, vibes, etc. I really don't care what you're saying right now, I just want you to say it. Second, establish a baseline of activity. PlayerA makes 20 posts Day 1 and 5 Day 2, that's a problem since there is very little to talk about on Day 1 and a whole lot more on Day 2. Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to: Step 4. Hold your votes. Slamming votes around 6-12 hours into the game is not productive. Take off your scum-goggles and allow people to post. Have a suspicious person in mind? Great, sit on it and let them keep posting. See if they keep posting scummy stuff.... THEN attack them. All players should be keeping a spreadsheet with notes/roles/activity levels/ etc. Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment. Are there helpful tips in my post? Absolutely. Have I said anything remotely game related? Absolutely not. Anyone can talk in generalities. Anyone can offer advice. Honestly, I cannot stress how important it is to keep a spreadsheet. If you don't know who's still alive in the game, or who claimed what, or which players voted for whom, then how can you make informed decisions? | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this isnt a pm game so we dont need a confirmed townie the only real use of a confirmed townie is its a center for everyone to claim to Confirmed townies are always good. They are a voice that every town player can trust to be legit, and one less player they have to worry about being scum. Every game I play is basically a process of finding town aligned players and sifting through the rest. | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:49 JeeJee wrote: Oh man radfield is in this game Ladies and gentlefolk, place your bets! Who dies first, me or radfield?! YOU'RE ON! | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:55 heist wrote: I don't know know what it does, but I want it really bad. On another note, Radfield what's up with your vote? Which vote would that be? | ||
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Keep it secret, Keep it safe. | ||
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On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game? I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever What makes you think that there will be more than one faction? On September 17 2011 09:48 heist wrote: That I did. Apologies. And you're right. Once the mafia have the ring, it's theirs forever unless we have a hero vigi shot since mafia about to be lynched can pass it off. Will we be notified if the ring changes hands either through giving it away or death? I think it likely that scum players will not be able to pass the ring amongst each other. First, that defeats the ring passing mechanic of the game. Second, the OP specifically mentions that some roles will not be able to freely pass the ring. Of all the roles in the game, surely no evil LOTR character would have the willpower to give up the ring. | ||
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On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote: I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread. In case you hadn't noticed, this player is currently Greymist. | ||
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On September 18 2011 00:00 chaos13 wrote: Already discussed it. VI or Jester. Agree? Disagree. There's no need to be so blatant as a VI. Perhaps he just wants the ring.... either way though, he's shown himself to be active and contributory in his past few games. Either he picks it up or he doesn't, but we're not lynching based on him spamming about the ring. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote: Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymist asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. On September 17 2011 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason. And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1. These are foolish reasons to be voting for a player. It's far more often townies who make posts like that than it is mafia. You both know better than that. I don't understand the hostility for Trancestorm. | ||
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On September 17 2011 23:14 Ciryandor wrote: Where is JeeJee BTW? We're missing plenty of players right now, why are you so focused on Jeejee? | ||
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On September 17 2011 23:30 Jackal58 wrote: What would you like me to say? The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? There I said it. The only thing I saw comment worthy was Bug's request for the ring. He has since claimed to be Sauron and Gollem. But you guys want to keep speculating on the mechanics of the ring. You're missing the point of Day 1 Jackal. You can't find scum with no posts in the thread, which is why we need something to talk about. Of course it's useless speculation. But guess what, if someone has to take paragraphs to discuss the ring and alignments, and then clams up when we actually have votes to discuss, that makes the discussion worthwhile. There's no need for the aggression. | ||
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On September 18 2011 00:39 chaos13 wrote: Radfield what do you think about the possibility of xt being scum? He has as good a chance as pretty much any other player flipping scum at this point. However, If you're referring to this post: On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. I would call it a null-tell. Scum players don't typically make such blatantly poor statements, but obviously making a bunk statement doesn't buy you townie cred by any means. What I agree that none of the current players up for discussion (Greymist, WBG) are good lynches at this point. We'll have much more to go on by tomorrow. There are already several players who have piqued my interest, but time will tell. | ||
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On September 18 2011 01:05 chaos13 wrote: Another thing people seem to view as a big scumtell is contradictions. Unless that contradiction is something along the lines of "I think Player A is definitely scum" and then six posts later "Player A is not someone I want to lynch today", or someone contradicts themselves while explaining a claim, then it is usually not a mafia tell. I've seen contradictions used as points of analysis in a lot of games recently, and they've been wrong very often. Agreed. I also think that xt's post is being misinterpreted. I don't think he was actually pushing for a random lynch, rather that he felt our lynch should be outside the current players being discussed. I don't think anyone ever actually advocates for a RNG lynch. | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote: So basically you want people to say "I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who" and maybe list it's effects? We can't be sure evil players can't pass the ring, and if the person who claimed to have got rid of it was telling the truth or not. There is way too much uncertainty, and I believe only a non-town party would be trying to push a bad plan to get the ring Unless you can come up with a really good reason you care so much about the ring bearer ##Vote TranceStorm This is a bunk vote. Bad plans are pushed all the time, mostly by townies as scum generally have very little motivation to push a bad plan. Bad plans need refinement, not votes. Fact is, if the player who has the ring DOES pass it, he should likely claim. Either he is counterclaimed later when frodo/bilbo actually passes it, or he is confirmed. It doesn't help us immensely, but it certainly doesn't hinder. | ||
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On September 18 2011 01:13 chaoser wrote: A person who IS a good lynch target? prplhz. Look over his (5) posts. They are either heavily involved with the stories or not helpful at all. He then continues to talk about ring speculation. He also talks about how everyone needs to be active and how there is more important things to talk about and yet doesn't talk about anything else except that we should vote amongst two people and they should have similar votes. He's in Denmark so he should have posted more already, especially about the WBG and trancestorm posts. ##vote: prplhz Agree 100%, though I would've preferred to wait until tomorrow to call him out. In particular, playing the angry townie regarding 'spam and speculation' and then continuing to contribute to it is highly suspicious. | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote: 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.) As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me. Are you planning on paying attention to this one? Also, if you're complaining about getting VT then you're playing mafia wrong. Vanilla Townie is my favorite role to have, I vastly prefer it to either red or blue as it allows me to focus solely on scum hunting without fear of death. If I could be vt every game I would. On September 18 2011 02:14 Drazerk wrote: Posting restrictions are definitely in place. As for me jumping on the gray bandwagon I actually pointed out the ring rubbish before Choaser but I am currently leaning on WBG being the more likely scum member now. Ill be gone for the next couple of hours so sorry about any sort of inactivity. Are you insinuating you have a posting restriction? On September 18 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote: Greymist's thing is not something to lynch for, but it is something to remember in the future. But he is someone to keep an eye on. I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right. But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So, ##Vote Drazerk What suspicions are those? Not to mention how bout we lynch to kill scum, instead of lynching to figure out information. | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:35 heist wrote: These kind of posts are exactly what we can't allow to just slide by. You are just posting aggressive little one-liners that aren't exactly contributing much to town discussion. If you disagree with someone, I would ask that you flesh out your ideas more and provide your thoughts on specific players. As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use. Far more likely is two townies on the chopping block, but that's fine too. As long as we're not allowing players to vote with reasons like ' lol scumslip' or the like. Which as you say, means no easy lynchees. We're not looking for players who make scummy or nonsensical posts. We're looking for players with careful posts, blech voting reasons, neutral stances and mediocre activity. So far there are several. | ||
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 I have more to post in ~2 hours when my inet is back.OK, we have good players to lynch and bad ones: WBG is a terrible lynch. Massive FoS on any player stating that our best plan is to lynch someone who might be a serial killer or third party. Town only lynches serial killers when we desperately need to limit KP or when we are winning. NEVER ON DAY 1. Lynching a supposed third party gives us absolutely no information on scum. The main purpose of Day 1 is not even to lynch anti-town players, of course that's a bonus, but our real goal is getting a paper trail. Lynching a third party or a lurker does not accoplish that. FoS on Dr H, Errador and the other two or three players who posted this as their reason for voting. That being said, we have several good lynch targets: Pyo, prp, cyr and ON are all good targets. Jackal I'm unsure of right now, at first he stunk of an easy lynch, but his post about WBG is absurd. However I've never seen him contribute Day 1 before, so I don't know why he would start now. In two hours I'm going to decide which of the 4 I(and we) should be voting for. I'm leaning heavily towards ON or cyr right now, but am more than happy to vote prp if it comes down to him or WBG. Pyo seems so scummy he may not be scum. What's that? I'm going to start up a new lynch target with only hours to go? MAYBE. Ideally we would all give our reasons and vote at the extreme end of Day 1, as that is when we have the most info to go off of. Plenty of players are around, and without majority vote it isn't particularly difficult to swing votes onto a good case. | ||
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