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On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring. Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio. Finally: ##Vote raynpelikoneet wait, what? Did I miss something? Do we know what the ring even does, besides make everyone want it? | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:48 Jackal58 wrote: pfffff I already have 10 acres with electricity. Does anyone else find this whole exchange to be really suspicious? | ||
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On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote: I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread. and has now gone ahead and started FoS'ing Navillus: On September 18 2011 11:14 OriginalName wrote: This means jackshit, Curu explcitly stated that all scums have a safeclaim. Does the exact same thing as drazerk does, fairly self explanitory. Its like your trying to start a bandwagon. Why defend him like this, just because he claims it was a joke at the time doesnt it mean it nessicarily does. He basically went "Ok guys gimmie the ring" then once people were like "wtf are you retarded or scum or some shits" then hes like naw JK. I mean really the only time your at all connected to him is this post and desite people being suspicious you have not given your thoughts into at all, all youve done really is talk about the ring and tunnel drazerk for borderline silly reasons. Dont bullshit noobcard me. at this point goes, "Oh he can do it but this person cannot because clearly this person is clearly beneath me and we should totally completely lynch him amirite? Care to explain more into this navillus. FOS Navillus I'm going to keep an open mind about him but it just doesn't make sense for scum to draw attention to themselves by VT claiming so early when it'd be so much easier to say nothing. Also, I disagree with your chastizing Drazerk for going along with a Grey vote without really giving a clear explanation. Reasons were already given, so really I don't see a problem with a random pressure vote – it's only when that vote remains unchanged at the end of the day that one should start becoming suspicious. In fact, I feel as though those guys quick to defend Grey and jump on Draz for that vote are more likely scum establishing town cred (or possibly defending a scum buddy). | ||
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On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote: So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on. Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas. We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts. He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters. So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom. ##Push GGQ into the fire This post is way more scummy than anything GGQ's said so far... | ||
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I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread. Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo. Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information. That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH. way to not read my post and selectively bolded not my reason for voting for you – getting information is only icing on the cake... I'm voting for you because your indirect 3rd party claim is bizarre and distracting at best. Also the fact that you haven't been consistent with your "gimme the ring" nonsense leads me to believe that you're full of shit about actually having a posting restriction. | ||
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On September 19 2011 02:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Scum is voting me. I'll keep this short since I'm on my phone. I asked for the ring relentlessly. People thought that was scummy. Look at the bandwagon on me right now. Then, look at Jackal's votepost on me. He says it's a good idea to give me the ring, because he doubts the game will end if I get it, but wants to lynch me anyway. That's a pro mafia stance. If I get the ring and get lynched, the ring is randomly sent to one of the voters. If the majority of the voters are scum then they get a better chance of getting the ring. Between Dr H, Jackal, Pyo, iGrok, and Drazerk, I'd bet we can find at least 3 scum. (these are the current voters on me) You can also easily make a case against any one of these players. Filter them all if you don't believe me. That makes no sense... in a situation where votes are scattered all over the place, why would scum put 3 onto the same person. Additionally, if scum really wanted you dead, they'd kill you at night – with split votes like we have it should be really easy for them push for the lynch of someone they know to be town. You're also misconstruing what Jackal said – he said we should get rid of you either by lynching you or if that fails by giving you the ring. Paraphrasing what people say to alter their meaning is incredibly scummy. My vote stays on you. | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I think WBG is currently someone we want to keep around till at least day 2. His latest post seems to be far and away better than all his other posts combined + Show Spoiler [I mean this one] + On September 18 2011 16:21 wherebugsgo wrote: I still don't have the ring! What a surprise. The following post is well-reasoned and should be listened to: As I said earlier and as Kitaman has nailed pretty well, we absolutely need to encourage the lurkers to participate. If they don't participate, or we let them get away with stupid shit (more on this later) then we are just hurting ourselves. We cannot let mafia blend in, and we need to identify when someone is trying to blend in, to identify them as scum. I will give you all two examples of this right now: Firstly, this guy is saying absolutely nothing with this entire post. He says there are so many people yelling at each other, that it's hard to read what's going on. He insinuates that there is a lot of confusion and noise, yet he adds to this by splitting the vote even further and throwing a shitty vote on a person who so far has not done anything scummy (as far as I can tell.) The worst part is that there are no specifics in this post. To clarify: wat so, he says there are "many plans and ideas, some good some bad." Way to go sherlock, either the plan is good or it's bad. You've really told us a lot there. What the fuck is that supposed to contribute? What's specifically good about these "good plans"? Who made them? What about the bad plans? The only thing he alludes to is that he thinks people like me and Trance are probably fine and just giving bad ideas. Well, the only idea I've pushed is giving me the ring. Trance is receiving votes, if Archon is scum then it totally makes sense for him to soft defend him here. And "all the guys" talking like us are fine. Whoa, so if someone makes a plan they're autoconfirmed town? Wtf? God this makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah hey guess what genius, you were lurking until now too, AFTER you were called out on your shitty posting record. I'm pretty sure you're just throwing a random vote out there and feigning analysis so you don't get a shitstorm for not posting and not contributing anything. This isn't even a real vote! Our last example is this: Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread. Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo. Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information. That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH. This is an example of exactly what I want to see from him, as compared to all the 'ring lol' trolling and if he can keep it up he's realistically a valuable asset for town. Huh? what? you can seriously consider that to the sort of analysis that you expect from people... How in the world does Archon_toilet's nonsensical tunneling of GGQ "blend in"? He also misconstrues what I said in his "analysis" of me... Basically, his big huge long analysis was a load of crap. Factor in the timing of his post (after he started drawing serious attention and was accused of being spammy), it's clear that he felt pressured to give the appearance of "being helpful to town" when in fact he's just continuing to say nonsensical things. | ||
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On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. Jackal said "Lynch him OR give him the ring." It's pretty clear what Jackal meant and it wasn't what you claimed it to be. This post: On September 19 2011 03:36 jcarlsoniv wrote: You find trance suspicious for coming up with a ring plan (albeit a pretty bad one), and yet you'll ignore the fact that jackal wants to give WBG the ring and lynch WBG... is an example of why doing what WBG is doing is bad. People aren't reading the post to generate their own impressions, they read "analysis posts" and take the "analysis" at face value. That is how scum manipulate town into believing what they want you to... It's how chaoser got away with that bullshit DT claim in XLIV, for example. | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you point out what I'm saying that has been nonsensical? How about your fist 5-10 posts in the thread? Or this one where you use a ton of 1-liner responses that don't actually answer half of the things you respond to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=17#331 Or this one about why you voted Drazerk: On September 18 2011 05:58 wherebugsgo wrote: And yes, I did say that my vote reason was bad, because that was the way I intended it to appear. I have reasons for voting him, I don't have to state everything and put it out on a silver platter for you. This is the same reason why I'm not going to tell anyone why I want the ring. If you guys decide to give me the ring, fine, if you don't, you're just hurting yourselves. Of course, I might actually have to put everything on a nice silver platter, since most townies are usually extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning. That doesn't make sense... we're hurting ourselves by not giving you the ring? Who are you talking to? Town or Mafia? The whole ring garbage has been completely nonsensical and at best irrelevant to town. On September 19 2011 03:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you deny that almost everyone who has voted me has completely ignored everything else going on in the game? That's how day 1 works. There's no way everyone is going to follow everything in intimate detail, you pick your couple of people you want to focus on and analyze what they say and who they say it to, you know the whole "FOS" thing. And to be clear at least I haven't ignored everything else going on in the thread. The people I find most suspicious aren't the guys running around like village idiots (archon_toilet/Drazerk), it's the guys calling them guys scum. On September 19 2011 03:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you point out what parts of my contribution are feigned? Did you even read my "big huge long analysis" (hint, it wasn't actually that long) Yeah I read it, granted with your multiple formatting fails, it was quite the pain in the ass...When I insinuated that your analysis was feigned, I was simply pointing out that your analysis didn't make sense and felt as if it was analysis for the sake of analysis. | ||
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On September 20 2011 15:12 iGrok wrote: Holy shit. Going to filter DrH right now. what an incredibly scummy thing to say... | ||
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On September 20 2011 17:34 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Filtering a confirmed mafia scummy? It's scummy to say you are going to do it... If you were going to do it, you'd just do it like chaoser did. | ||
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WBG was predictably lying about his claim, although I guess it was too ridiculous for anyone other than Palmar to have been claiming a role/post restriction like that as scum. Speaking of Palmar, I find his lack of participation in the thread to be very curious... I've played 3 games with him, one with him as mafia, one with him as an 3rd party and one with him as town and in all 3 he was in everyone's face about everything... Basically, what I'm trying to say is that he's out of character independent of his alignment, so his odd behavior is kind of a NULL tell. I'm a little suspicious of radfield to be honest his analysis seems too good and too "correct." I'm mostly referring to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11445752, but others as well. I won't advocate lynching him in case he really is that good (mafia will likely kill him soon if he's actually town), but I'd warn against reading too much into his assertion that people who stuck with their day 1 votes are automatically more scummy than the people that switched... feels like a convenient way for scum to sheep votes onto people. (Note, I'm town and I kept my vote on bugs because I felt like he was lying/being deceptive about his role claim/posting restriction... which he was) And to respond to ON (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=41#814: bugs most certainly did indirectly claim his role in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=17#331 On September 18 2011 05:05 wherebugsgo wrote: I think the answer to that one is obvious. This guy is good. Real good. + Show Spoiler + gimme the ring bitch If that's not claiming, I don't know what is. Obviously, at the time I had no idea that Dr. H was scum... not sure what to make of bugs now - if it even matters. | ||
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On September 21 2011 01:05 Radfield wrote: iGrok is a good lynch today. He has been useless, but not in a useless way. In a way that makes it look like he's trying to not be useless. GGQ, Vain, ON, Heist, Pyo: All of you need to ramp it up. Between Jackal, iGrok and Palmar, where would you place your vote? you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness: On September 20 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote: This means we derive very little from the day 1 lynch, as both Prp, WBG and Eradorr were town. With three townie wagons it means scum had everywhere to hide. In my opinion this makes those players staying on the WBG wagon look worst, and anyone switching votes around look more town. Mafia had no reason to flutter their votes, so I doubt they would have done so unneccesarily. I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me... The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it. Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list. Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar). ##vote: radfield | ||
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On September 22 2011 01:30 Jackal58 wrote: Why am I scum again? You're not answering me. Why are you not answering me? because Radfield is scum... see my previous post about him. I really don't get why everyone is so convinced that he's town. | ||
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I guess this means there's a 3rd party SK in the game: On September 23 2011 08:04 Curu wrote: Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword! On September 20 2011 08:13 Curu wrote: Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1! Both were "put to the sword." | ||
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On September 23 2011 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pyo: What do you think of TS? Also: Palmar, what do you think of TS? don't know yet... I had my sights set solely on radfield and was totally prepared to tunnel the f*** out of him today... but now he's dead, so I need to go back through the thread and reread everything that I didn't really pay much attention to. | ||
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But is it common for town to get multiple shots like that? Seems a little overpowered... I was only thinking it was a 3rd party SK since it seemed like radfield was "green" to a lot of people so far. | ||
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