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On August 01 2011 12:11 Varpulis wrote: Everybody flood OriginalName with PMs about King Kong to give the game a more exotic feel. Anybody who does this is auto-scum. | ||
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On August 02 2011 05:02 Varpulis wrote: which means that we don't need to start killing people 6 hours into the day *cough cough* youngminii *cough cough* Please this  | ||
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On August 02 2011 07:44 Trotske wrote: why not pm...? This involves claiming. PM claiming = bad. | ||
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On August 02 2011 09:42 sandroba wrote: The point of mass claim to a confirmed townie is to force mafia to fake claim and the dayvig can sort the actions of the blues in a reduced pool of players, confirming the blues and eliminating suspicious people from the right pool. If mafia roleclaims medic even better, the day vig asks for a prot on himself and the mafia can't shoot him, profit. Things can go wrong either way, having an organized plan is better than no plan at all. The entirety of this is almost based purely on blue roles. This needs to get in your head Sand, there is only 4 mafia. There is no way were going to have 1-2 vigilantes and a medic. Its straight up imbalanced. In the past few games we've been less reliant on blue roles and won, you want to abuse PMs and the assumption we have such roles to win, this is just going backwards. The fact that you came up with a plan is fine, but you need to come to the realization it is in most cases unrealistic. Day-vigs should shoot whenever they are certain they have caught onto scum, they should mention it subtly in thread with decent evidence before they shoot but they should not shoot unless: -It is increadably scummy player who just will not be lynched. (THIS IS YOUR JOB. THIS IS THE OBVIOUSLY SCUMMY PLAYER THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS FAIRLY SURE IS TOWN BUT IS OBVIOUSLY MISLEADING US) -Lurker. -People start to say "Yeah hes scummy but this person is more scummy" Its fine for Day-vigis to do a cleaning role like a night vigilante would. Dont be a hero, you might town and turn out exactly the way you do not want to be. If you wish to claim before you shoot fine, but remember MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS BECAUSE SCUM MIGHT BE TRYING TO MAKE THEM FOR YOU. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:57 Drazerk wrote: + Show Spoiler + [00:01] <alanismorisette> love is like a roll of tape [00:01] <alanismorisette> real good for makin 2 things one [00:02] <mig__> red making bad jokes at the start of games is a scum tell [00:03] <alanismorisette> ... [00:03] <alanismorisette> I DO THAT EVERY GAME [00:03] <alanismorisette> WHY DO PPL THINK THAT MAKES ME SCUM [00:03] <mig__> maybe you just always seem scummy [00:05] <alanismorisette> ... [00:11] <Lucidity> as a former scum buddy of red's [00:11] <Lucidity> I can confirm that he is scum this game [00:12] <mig__> what do you think of sandroba's plan lucid? [00:14] <Lucidity> i was going to suggest the same thing [00:15] <Lucidity> but we need to discuss it a bit more to ascertain whether the reward outweighs the risks [00:15] <Lucidity> if the day vig knows what he's doing I think it could be quite effective [00:15] <mig__> yea [00:16] <mig__> I think the positives far out weight the negatives [00:17] <Lucidity> we'll have to assume that some mafia will fake claim [00:18] <Lucidity> not doing so would be detrimental to them [00:18] <mig__> yes I think that is the best part [00:18] <mig__> is the possibility of them fucking up the fake claims [00:18] <Lucidity> But which fake claims have the potential to be hurtful to town? [00:18] <Drazerk> not sure how they can fake claim [00:18] <mig__> if an abnormal amount of roles are claimed it should be obvious to the day vig something is up [00:18] <Lucidity> only medic as far as i can see [00:19] <Lucidity> fake everything else only helps town in the long run [00:19] <mig__> well the mafias plan will likely be fake claim today then shoot day vig tonight [00:19] <mig__> just want to fake long enough that the day vig doesnt have them killed in the night [00:19] <Drazerk> which is why the day vig will need medic protection [00:23] <Lucidity> does dochelvetica ever use punctuation? [00:23] <Lucidity> I find myself out of breath reading his posts [00:32] <alanismorisette> ... [00:32] <alanismorisette> lol [00:34] <Curu> redFF made no jokes at the start of PTP [00:34] <Curu> and he was Town [00:35] <Curu> COINCIDENCE? [00:36] <alanismorisette> ... [00:36] <alanismorisette> didnt i make jokes? [00:36] <alanismorisette> i did [00:36] <alanismorisette> give me the wand imo [00:36] <alanismorisette> that was one [00:36] <alanismorisette> and i kept tlpdizing everything [00:37] <alanismorisette> thats why lanaia [00:37] <mig__> great jokes [00:37] <mig__> red are you actually trying to defend yourself on whether you made jokes or not? The fact that he is defending him so hard for such a simple joke is retarded. He is now fully on board with the Sand plan after he realizes how scummy it makes him look for opposing the idea and now is defending himself even more because of my pressure vote. + Show Spoiler + [00:48] <alanismorisette> hey draz [00:48] <alanismorisette> reasonless votes not good [00:48] <alanismorisette> post the irc chat [00:48] <alanismorisette> s [00:48] <alanismorisette> so people can see ur reasoning [00:48] <alanismorisette> Drazerk: [00:49] <Drazerk> want me to copy the IRC for you then? [00:49] <Drazerk> I will do it lol [00:49] <alanismorisette> yeah [00:49] <alanismorisette> please [00:49] <alanismorisette> if you're gonna vote [00:49] <alanismorisette> show people the evidnece [00:49] <alanismorisette> also [00:49] <alanismorisette> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#147 [00:49] <alanismorisette> that is why this plan on day 1 double lynch is terrible [00:50] <Drazerk> I am not jumping on a bandwagon [00:50] <alanismorisette> the day when we are most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! [00:50] <alanismorisette> yay! [00:51] <Drazerk> we have actually got a decent track record day 1 at the moment [00:51] <Drazerk> when we kill you [00:51] <Drazerk> we will have a even better one [00:51] <alanismorisette> Drazerk: pleaes tell me why im scum [00:51] <alanismorisette> please [00:51] <alanismorisette> just make one post [00:51] <alanismorisette> on the thread Oh wait never mind now he hates the plan again... such wishy washy play with no real decision making. Red Is scum So your evidence on Red is: -Hes sort of wishy-washy (I SORT of see it, i really dont see where he starts thinking the plan is a good idea before going back on it) -Jokes (wtf who uses this as evidence?) - Hes defending himself much more than he should (Which is probably the only valid point here.) I fail to see how this has made you determine he is without a doubt scum. | ||
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On August 02 2011 11:41 Sevryn wrote: whats the irc we are using tlmafia? #Loonybin | ||
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On August 02 2011 11:50 snotboogie wrote: /in if I can! way late dude. | ||
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On August 02 2011 15:54 Barundar wrote: ebwodp: Are you against the plan because it is relying on blue roles, or because of the setup? More the latter than the former On August 02 2011 18:01 syllogism wrote: There are likely 5-6 blues in this setup and if the confirmed townie is any good it's quite easy for him to look at the claimed blues and deduce which claims are unlikely due to balance concerns. I would expect at most one to fake claim. There is no way there's more than one day vig, and unless we find a a compelling target today I don't think it's worthwhile to "waste" the shot today just to mass claim today rather than, say, tomorrow when there's more information and likely time if we proceed immediately. We can just go ahead with the mass claim plan once we get a confirmed townie and personally I think that's ideally tomorrow. There is no way in hell there is 5-6 blues when there is only 4 scum players. If there are it is probably similer to maybe a night vigi+half/half Vigi a vet or two and a Dt/Medic. And that even seems like alot, when its a smallish scum team theres no way a quarter of us are going to be power roles especially when vigilantes get two bullets. This is the huge part, our vigilantes are not one shot like they usually are, they are two which gives us 4 night kp if there are two. There is no way we are going to have enough vigilante shots to win without a lynch (although that would be a perfect scenario if we hit all 4 shots.) | ||
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On August 02 2011 22:10 syllogism wrote: Why not? There are frequently 7-8 blues with only 6 scum and for instance hatters are worse than in a standard setup. 6 is probably too high though I've stated my reasons, why do you continue on asking me the same question? | ||
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On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote: I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Role fishing more? I also want to call out Drazerk. He votes RedFF1 for shoddy reasoning and then disappears off the face of the earth. Also YM that quick jump onto Red was also kinda suspicous (ie one-liner + vote) and seems like your trying to start a really early bandwagon. Care to explain? | ||
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On August 03 2011 04:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Unless I'm misunderstanding Varpulis he was opposed to the plan in the first place so why would he ask for an open claim? Ohh, and now everything is starting to come together... | ||
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On August 03 2011 05:12 Lucidity wrote: YM and others: Can you please stop going on about a mass roleclaim TO A CONFIRMED TOWNIE being a bad thing? It's getting tiresome. Its not bad, its unrealistic. | ||
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On August 03 2011 05:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: its honestly so obvious and simple why the plan wont work idk why we're still talking about it Then lets start disscussing lynch options. I like Varpulis for the D1 lynch. Im going to read up on Mig afterwords. Varpulis: -Wishy-washy -Rolefishing ESPECIALLY under the circumstances of this role-fish. -Says hes going to PM lurkers to try to maintain activity, decides to back down from it. -His first game post is really generic wanting to contribute without really contributing general advice post. He also puts a picture of a BLU engineer as if hes trying to establish his innocence. -Defends himself with Meta instead of hard facts. | ||
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On August 03 2011 05:20 Lucidity wrote: If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful? Then drop it, you brought it back up earlier. | ||
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Oh add this to my points as well. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [16:49] <@Kurumi> ok ok [16:49] <youngminii> not that anyone cares [16:49] <@Kurumi> hm [16:49] <CUru> hey munk e [16:49] <@Kurumi> dropbear would care [16:49] <@Kurumi> but he isn't playing [16:49] <CUru> who do you think is scummy? [16:49] <Munk-E> Mainly mig [16:49] <Munk-E> but i'm also analysing varp [16:49] <Munk-E> and lucidity [16:49] <youngminii> oh look syllogism told mig that we're talking about him and now mig is here [16:50] <Lucidity> lol [16:50] <youngminii> /talkingoutofmyass [16:50] <Munk-E> Oh snap when did he get here? [16:50] <mig__> just got here I was just in irc until I had to disc like 15 min ago lol [16:50] <mig__> maybe longer [16:50] <OriginalName> it was like [16:50] <OriginalName> an hour ago [16:50] <OriginalName> when you dced [16:50] <mig__> k [16:52] <CUru> ym why would you want to lynch mig day 1? [16:52] <CUru> he has a ridic track record of finding scum [16:52] <DoctorHelvetica> i agree with curu [16:52] <youngminii> oh that's fair enough reason to not lynch him actually [16:52] <DoctorHelvetica> wait on mig [16:52] <youngminii> yeah [16:52] <CUru> scum would be much more afraid of him than town [16:52] <syllogism> mig was mean to him so he started tunnelling the most active player in a game where the thread is pretty dead, standard [16:52] <youngminii> ok unvoting [16:52] <CUru> if hes scum then we can tell when he doesnt find any scum [16:53] <youngminii> splendid work syllogism, as usual [16:53] <syllogism> it's true [16:53] <OriginalName> So [16:53] <OriginalName> are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [16:53] <OriginalName> for likely suspects? [16:53] <youngminii> what, the fact that your backseat sheeping is splendid? [16:53] <syllogism> what am I sheeping [16:53] <OriginalName> On Mig [16:54] <syllogism> on what [16:54] <OriginalName> when he could theoretically be perfectly wrong [16:54] <OriginalName> and your just not doing any of your own thinking [16:54] <youngminii> on literally everything he has done this game [16:54] <OriginalName> on his lynches [16:54] <OriginalName> Syllogism [16:54] <youngminii> i'm not even kidding, you're just following his every single thought [16:54] <OriginalName> you are not mig [16:54] <syllogism> i've been talking to him and a few others all game on skype [16:54] <OriginalName> think for yourself [16:54] <youngminii> you mean on quicktopic? [16:54] <syllogism> you apparently dont know me very well [16:54] <syllogism> if you think i dont think for myself [16:54] <OriginalName> but you havent shown that yet [16:54] <OriginalName> at all [16:54] <OriginalName> ._. [16:54] <syllogism> in thread yes [16:55] <OriginalName> THEN SHOW IT IN THE GOD DAMNDED THREAD [16:55] <OriginalName> THATS WHERE IT MATTERS [16:55] <youngminii> you haven't shown it in irc either [16:55] <OriginalName> I dont give a fuck about your private behind closed doors shit [16:55] <syllogism> it's a channel with 15 people [16:55] <OriginalName> i want to see it [16:55] <syllogism> not exactly ideal [16:55] <youngminii> so you're showing it in your PMs to mig [16:55] <@Kurumi> I like turtles [16:55] <OriginalName> Because afaik your just sheeping [16:55] <syllogism> what am I sheeping, you still havent said [16:55] <OriginalName> Kurumi are you trying to troll me cause of WaW2? [16:55] <Lucidity> how is it more ideal to show to 1 person syllogism? [16:55] <Lucidity> lol [16:55] <OriginalName> ._. [16:55] <syllogism> all i've done is argue against bad logic by YM [16:55] <youngminii> wtf [16:56] <youngminii> you can't see what you're sheeping [16:56] <youngminii> oh my god [16:56] <syllogism> Lucidity: it's not one [16:56] <youngminii> oh my god [16:56] <youngminii> i can't [16:56] <youngminii> handle this [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am not trolling anyone [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am hosting a game [16:56] <@Kurumi> this is serious [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <youngminii> syllogism's got to be the biggest troll [16:56] <OriginalName> ._. [16:56] <@Kurumi> but [16:56] <@Kurumi> what happened [16:56] <OriginalName> no [16:56] <OriginalName> the turtle things [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am not paying attention [16:56] <OriginalName> shit [16:56] <@Kurumi> aa [16:56] <@Kurumi> I just like turtles [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <OriginalName> mmk [16:56] <Lucidity> is it just me or does [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) So [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [16:56] <Lucidity> 02,02 12,00 2302:125302.1234 02,02 02( OriginalName 02) for likely suspects? [16:56] <Lucidity> scream scum? [16:56] <OriginalName> because [16:56] <Lucidity> lol [16:56] <OriginalName> we want a solid lynch [16:56] <OriginalName> not just [16:56] <OriginalName> herp derp everyone off doing their own shit [16:57] <OriginalName> Dont even try that scum shit on me [16:57] <Lucidity> we're still 24 hours away from lynch [16:57] <OriginalName> so what [16:57] <OriginalName> we tookj [16:57] <OriginalName> 24 hours [16:57] <Lucidity> what possibly reason is there to start tunneling now [16:57] <Lucidity> haha [16:57] <OriginalName> to get that plan away [16:57] <OriginalName> its gonna take 24 hours [16:57] <youngminii> LOL [16:57] <OriginalName> to get our shit together [16:57] <syllogism> tunneling is fine if it creates discussion [16:57] <OriginalName> Im starting early [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> no it doesnt scream scum lol [16:57] <Lucidity> That's just asking, "Hey guys, who are the 2 candidates I can tag on to without upsetting shit?" [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> have you read [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> vers town guide [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> tunneling isnt a scumtell [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> town is more likely to do it than mafia [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> mafia want to plays afe [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> they go where the town goes [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> has no reason to tunnel [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> as long as mafia doesnt get lynched it doesnt matter lol [16:58] <OriginalName> And i cant tunnel as scum [16:58] <Lucidity> which is exactly what ON is doing? [16:58] <OriginalName> i tried it once [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> what motivation would ON possibly have as scum [16:58] <Lucidity> roflll [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> to tunnel you [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> because youre bad [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> if it was [16:58] <alanismorisette> wow after that syllo now looks redic scummy [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> BC [16:58] <OriginalName> it fucking [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> id understand [16:58] <OriginalName> failed [16:58] <Lucidity> I'm not saying he's tunneling he's scum [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> what [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> thats exactly what you said [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> wow [16:58] <OriginalName> Lucidity [16:58] <Lucidity> I'm saying he's asking the town for 2 safe candidates [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [16:58] <OriginalName> just [16:58] <OriginalName> just [16:58] <OriginalName> wow [16:58] <OriginalName> ffs [16:58] <Lucidity> ? [16:59] <OriginalName> No [16:59] <OriginalName> i give up [16:59] <@Kurumi> wanna a replacement [16:59] <@Kurumi> the next in the line is.. [16:59] <@Kurumi> Bill Murray [16:59] <OriginalName> no [16:59] <@Kurumi> so how about that? [16:59] <OriginalName> Im not a ragequit [16:59] <@Kurumi> kk whatever [16:59] <OriginalName> im giving up on explaining [16:59] <OriginalName> why I said that [16:59] <youngminii> if bm was next in line [16:59] <DoctorHelvetica> lucidity its normal if people have a suspicion to tunnel it [16:59] <Lucidity> You think we found the scum [17:00] <youngminii> i'd give my spot just to see him play [17:00] <youngminii> again [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> because the towns goal is to kill a scum [17:00] <Lucidity> in those 2 candidates? [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> if you think someone is scum [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> you tunnel them lol [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> thats the pro town thing to do [17:00] <OriginalName> i think those two candidates [17:00] <OriginalName> have the highest chances [17:00] <OriginalName> of being scum [17:00] <youngminii> i don't [17:00] <Lucidity> with so little info out [17:00] <OriginalName> From what i have deduced in the thread [17:00] <OriginalName> Ok then [17:00] <Lucidity> rofl [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> there is a lot [17:00] <OriginalName> put more info in then [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> to analyse [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> already [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [17:00] <alanismorisette> wow@heist [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> we dont have flip info [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> but [17:00] <Lucidity> There is a lot more to analyse [17:00] <Lucidity> l [17:00] <Lucidity> o [17:00] <Lucidity> l [17:00] <OriginalName> Lucidity [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> whats so funny [17:00] <OriginalName> The OMGUS from that [17:00] <OriginalName> doesnt help you [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> you know what i would do if i ws mafia id say [17:00] <OriginalName> btw [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> "ignore the day 1 discussion ther eis no info nothing to analyse move on lol" [17:01] <OriginalName> DrH is prob town [17:01] <OriginalName> YM is meh [17:01] <youngminii> ignore the day 1 discussion ther eis no info nothing to analyse move on lol [17:01] <Lucidity> OMGUS? [17:01] <OriginalName> I want to see more from BC [17:01] <OriginalName> oh my god you suck [17:01] <Lucidity> rofl [17:01] <OriginalName> someone accuses [17:01] <Lucidity> I know what it means [17:01] <OriginalName> then you shout back [17:01] <Lucidity> where did I do it? [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> when you said on is scum after he said youre scum [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [17:01] <Lucidity> no [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) So [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) for likely suspects? [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> scream scum? [17:01] <Lucidity> You're completely misrepresenting [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> yes [17:02] <@Kurumi> hey guys, just do what Ace recommended in Mini [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> that looks like omgus [17:02] <@Kurumi> RANDOM LYNCH [17:02] <Lucidity> It's scummy because he's asking the town for safe candidates [17:02] <@Kurumi> jk jk :3 play mafia [17:02] <Lucidity> not because i'm one of the 2 suspects [17:02] <Lucidity> rofl [17:02] <@Kurumi> now brb [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> its not scummy hes seeing if people agree [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> thats normal to do [17:02] * chaos13_ is now known as chaos13away [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> no matter what side youre on [17:02] <OriginalName> Its called checking your work [17:02] <OriginalName> making sure im not completely off my rocker [17:02] <Lucidity> horseshit [17:02] <Lucidity> roofl [17:02] <OriginalName> ... [17:02] <OriginalName> fuck it [17:02] <Lucidity> what work? [17:02] <OriginalName> Lucid is soooooo scum [17:02] <Lucidity> You haven't posted anything [17:03] <OriginalName> ... [17:03] <OriginalName> oh [17:03] <OriginalName> my [17:03] <OriginalName> god [17:03] <OriginalName> ... [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks End of relevant conversation Im going to point out the arguement between Lucidity and Me. Take what you will from it, but I think hes definitly up there on the scum leaderboard. | ||
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On August 03 2011 07:19 Lucidity wrote: I already apologised for that on IRC. I thought you joined IRC and asked for 2 safe candidates. I didn't recognise your nick from the thread -.- I posted that before i saw it. | ||
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On August 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote: I went through sandroba's games to see kooky plans. PTP1-kooky plan(town) WaW2-kooky plan(town) XLii-kooky plan (town) Paranoid Mafia-no kooky plan(scum) Closed casket-no kooky plan (scum) xxxix-no kooky plan (town) Merc Mini-no kooky plan (town) So what does this show us? Sandroba often does silly plans as town, but never as scum. Small sample pool yes, but something to consider. I have Sandroba down as town even though his plan was shit. I was bored btw so don't go asking me why i did this. T.T now he's getting replaced wtf. The meta read still stands. I was fairly sure Sand himself was town ._. | ||
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