Real Time Mafia

On June 29 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote:


Since when is the lynch between hiro and Drazerk? We are mid way through the day ffs. I like how you don't even explain how drazerk is scum in the first place. That goes for most people voting for him. The way this bandwagon is forming quickly I'm pretty sure it would be a mistake to kill him.

Also I'd like to hear from GGQ and Opz. I'm not shy about killing vets day1 and will tunnel you forever if you don't start posting opinions in this thread.

On June 29 2011 19:25 Palmar wrote:


This isn't VisceraEyes, he's much more like me in that he likes to shoot first and talk later.



Nice, where is your research?



I don't know, uncalled soft defense of GM, not much of a scumtell.



point a, if there is anything VisEyes does well it's tunneling. This guy can put out ridiculous amount of pressure on people if he feels like it, but somehow the king of tunneling is now against that? It almost feels like a different person playing.

Also, where is your case? You've posted enough in other games you're playing. Stop pretending to be reading and working when you're not about to deliver.



I'm tuned.

There is nothing on the radio.



More soft defending GM, again, I just don't like the smell of this.

I think VisceraEyes is scum




So, here is my suggestion on what we do in the situation. VisceraEyes has basically contributed nothing to the discussion, but he has soft defended GM a couple of times. This is one of the times I'd say we have an excellent vigi target.

If we shoot VisEyes and thus flip him, we have information on what could be the motivation behind his defense of GM, and we're rid of someone who repeatedly doesn't contribute and fails to deliver, and is scummy as hell.

Seriously, I've played enough with this guy to know this is not his town play. If he was town he'd probably be trying to get me hanged or something, he'd at least be on a crusade. That's how he rolls.

On June 29 2011 23:34 chaos13 wrote:
Well here is what I have seen after waking up and reading through the past few pages of the thread.

We start out with a bandwagon on Drazerk with seemingly no resistance. A DT dies, after he had been tunneling Drazerk. For some reason this convinces everyone to jump off of his bandwagon. MAJOR target deflection onto VisceraEyes, someone who it isn't likely TAA checked, based on his posts. Target deflection is a good way to resist a bandwagon without being obvious.
On the VisceraEyes lynch, I see a bandwagon that is even faster and less resisted than Drazerks was.
Let's also note that syllogism was gaining a fair number of votes before TAA died.

So tell me, what real reason do you guys have for changing your votes off of Drazerk? What really changed when TAA died?

Here is what I propose. A vig shoots Drazerk. We lynch syllogism or VisceraEyes. All three of these players have very good cases against them. Tomorrow a vig uses their lurker shot on ~OpZ~, a veteran player who has been lurking and is entirely aware of it, and doesn't seem to care about it. People have also brought up sinani206 again. After reading through his posts, he seems more like an inexperienced townie than a mafia.

On June 29 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice.
syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you.
Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3

On June 30 2011 02:57 Palmar wrote:


♥

On June 30 2011 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cue Palmar tunnel. Every game I play with you is the same.

*sigh*

On June 30 2011 04:43 Mig wrote:
I don't want to really distract away from lynching VE but sinani's you guys are both ridiculously suspicious.

Neither of you post very much and all your posts are completely useless. But you are obviously active because you respond as soon as someone targets you. The very definition of someone lurking.

206 you decided to vote for VE because he hadn't done any analysis. Where is your analysis? Have you actually done any analysis this entire game?

And then there is this this post.



This was completely nonsensical, there was absolutely no reason the IRC discussion would scare anyone from posting. It is like you are looking for an excuse to not contribute and help.

I still think the case against VE is stronger but I think 206 would be a great vig shot.

On June 30 2011 05:04 Drazerk wrote:


Wow... that is stupidly weak

"I suspect GM ... But i have no reason why"

The only reason you have is him leading the town when we have already discussed how this is not scummy unless they constantly try to control every blue command.

Palmar is leading the town. Is he scum to you as well?

On June 30 2011 05:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so looking at the people who are up for lynching right now, drazerk looks like the scummiest by far, because of the major slip he made.

He not only martyred, but he martyred, and then about three posts later in the thread, he pointed out how he did the same thing as town. At first I though he might have been terrible town, but the fact that he explicitly states that he does the same thing as a townie looks scummy as all hell to me. Just a last ditch response to pressure that he reacted badly to, in my eyes. Ad on his weird flopping with GM and his attack on Sinani, and that's good enough for me to lynch on.

##Vote: Drazerk

Also, could someone explain the case on visc to me better? I'm not too too familiar with his play in other games, but it looks like the case on him is:

1. Isn't playing to his town meta
2. Doesn't contribute

I don't think that's enough for me to be comfortable lynching on, because looks a lot like he's just lazy. How does he normally act that makes this such a jarring change?

On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:
Back from camp, just caught up on the thread.

First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists.

Second, on Drazerk: I'm glad to see that he's not given up completely yet. If I may make a suggestion, any compulsive vig that we've got should shoot him. If he's town, we get to lynch somebody else, with additional information from his flip, and if he's scum, it's a win-win situation. If you're a normal vig with one shot, keep it holstered, but if you need to shoot, there's your target.

Third:
This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference.

I'm going to look through the posts of VisceraEyes and Drazerk, and make my decision for who to lynch in a little bit. Stay tuned.

On June 30 2011 10:24 chaos13 wrote:
Hmm. This is quite a dilemma. On one hand, I want to avoid lynching a DT. On the other, I think he is lying and scum. My first instinct is that Viscera is lying.
Say we lynch Drazerk and he flips red, though. Mafia then have a confirmed DT to shoot or roleblock as they see fit. We lynch Viscera and he flips red, and scum gain nothing new.
Either way viscera ends up dead or useless. I feel it is more likely that Drazerk is town than Viscera is, so I will leave my vote.

Compulsive Vigilante(s) - be ready to use your shot as soon as day 2 begins before you have a chance to be killed or roleblocked if it turns out that Viscera flips DT. I say one-shot vigi's save their bullets, because this way the compulsives can put their shot to better use than they would otherwise.

On June 30 2011 10:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well this is interesting.

I was pretty sure that Drazerk was likely to be red, until GM's posts made me start to doubt that his martyring was a strong tell. Don't know if that was intentional or not, but I'll just stick with my original vote on Drazerk now that visc has claimed DT. If he flips town, we just gun down Visc right after the flip.

~OpZ~ might be a good check for a detective too, as I remember him asking me to reconsider my Drazerk vote.

On June 30 2011 10:59 gtrsrs wrote:
OH and i wanted to add that ~opZ~'s catch on TheAwesomeAll's encrypted message (DT CHECK drazerk) was brilliant. i can't wait to see if TAA confirms that was intentional at the end of the game or if that was just wishful thinking by ~opZ~