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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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........oh wait.... ##Unvote Well, I came in to a pretty dire situation. Unless I can come up with some sort of contribution to appease you guys, I'm dead. No pressure. Let's see...FoS Palmar for advocating the vigs to abuse their power...claiming it's of the utmost importance to do so, but simultaneously.... On June 28 2011 18:16 Palmar wrote: Now, I don't like deconduo more than the rest of you, but I can't let bad ideas slip by. You see, deconduo claims to be a vigilante. This means that we have two options that make sense. a) We don't believe him and lynch him for roleclaiming b) We believe him and hope he uses his KP well. I don't know how much people actually bother to read everything brought up, but controlling vigi shots when we have no idea who it is controlling them doesn't make any sense to me at all. That way the mafia can influence the choice of targets, and thus take away the unique aspect of vigi shots that they are more likely (by a little but) than any other kill in the game to hit mafia, from a purely statistical point of view. So what's it going to be? We're not directing Dec's shot, so either we let him live and make his own decisions, or we just hang him. I have no problems with simply killing him. Simply killing...one of the most important roles (by your estimation alone) in the game. That's a pretty big contradiction right there, my friend. ##Vote: Palmar I refuse to vote to lynch deconduo as he's claimed vig and I feel he should get a chance to prove it. Also I'm not going to vote for myself. Anyone who says I'm "not voting with town" is scum and should be shot to death by Palmar's vigs. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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The idea is to get everyone active. It's to not have to worry about lurkers in the first place. That way, vigi shots are better spent on scum. I agree with you that Vigis are going to be important in this game, but NOT by shooting as early and often as they can. I feel like this claim is anti town, and I hope you hang for promoting it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Think. If we're basing our votes on performance in-thread, am I REALLY the biggest threat so far? Chaoser might have been suspicious, but I honestly don't think that I've been suspicious enough to warrant lynching me today. There are better targets, imho. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On June 28 2011 22:20 Palmar wrote: I probably shouldn't bother trying to explain this to you, but some of the vigs might read this and actually get the idea. assume a hypothetical situation, 7town vs 2mafia. assume worst case scenario, town mislynches every time. there is a vigi in game. cycle 1 7v2 lynch (can hit town or mafia) maf kill (can only hit town cycle 2 5v2 lynch (can hit town or mafia) maf kill (can only hit town) cycle 3 3v2 lynch (can hit town or mafia) Game over. In this scenario, three out of the 5 kills it takes to end the game, were town sided kills. Now let's assume we have a batshit insane compulsive vigilante. cycle 1 7v2 lynch (can hit town or mafia) vig shot (can hit town or mafia, but not vigilante) maf kill (can only hit town) cycle 2 4v2 lync (can hit town or mafia) vig shot (can hit town or mafia, but not vigilante) Game over. In this scenario, the town gets 4 of the 5 kills it takes to end the game. Vigilantes should be shooting the first night, and every night there after, especially in a game where we don't know the role-setup and the flips don't mean anything, so any clever mafia is just going to keep random distance between all it's members. My problem with your 'statistically viable scenario' is that it assumes that a vig is still present after Cycle 1 in both scenarios. You claimed that it was a worst-case scenario, why not erase all the vigs after the first cycle? Especially since you're putting such importance on them. It seems to me that Mafia could luck into killing a vig AS WELL AS town could unknowingly lynch a different vig. THAT would be worst-case scenario. This math is absolutely illogical and means absolutely nothing. Anyone swayed by it in THIS particular game is here by a fluke. Palmar is talking nonsense and should be lynched. Today. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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What I'm saying is that we shouldn't just have them blindly shooting every single cycle just because they can. It WILL hurt town as they WILL hit more town than scum. Save Vig shots for people who are clearly and obviously scummy. Granted, you won't get as much of that in this PARTICULAR game, but just having them fire at random people every opportunity would be........insane. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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I feelings on Palmar are known, so I'm going to start going through others' posts. DON'T LYNCH ME!!! That is all. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Vigs don't shoot tonight - that way if there's a serial killer, we'll know it. Lists are dumb. ##Vote: VisceraEyes That's literally all Amber has said. Not even any reason to vote me, just jump on a bandwagon and go. This AFTER promising to give thoughts on who is scummy, which never happened. I'm keeping my vote on Palmar for the time being, but HUGE FoS: Amber[LighT] | ||
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VisceraEyes
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##Unvote ##Vote: Amber[LighT] His absence is FAR more incriminating than Palmar's ridiculousness. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Seriously guys, I'm only asking for a TEMPORARY reprieve. Put me off til tomorrow and lynch someone who actually looks scummy. Amber hasn't done ANYTHING this game. Palmar made a pretty compelling case against Kurumi. Town, just because I have the most votes and am a heartbeat away from death does NOT make me the best lynch candidate. It only means that we've all decided to not try and find scum in this game and have decided that the name of the game is to just come to a consensus on who to kill. That's the name of MAFIA'S game, not TOWN'S game. WE should be looking for scum. And you're looking in the WRONG place lynching me, I promise you. Amber still hasn't posted, other than RoL makes him lol. How this isn't more scummy to more people is absolutely flooring to me. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On June 27 2011 21:37 Amber[LighT] wrote: Okay first off anyone who is suggesting that there is a serial killer is automatically getting an FoS today. You're just introducing more unnecessary discussion into a chaotic setup. Have no fear, there's a plan to clear this crap up. If you have a pro-town KP role, don't fucking use it tonight. Consider tonight a day off from your ability. Unless you're some compulsive vigilante this shouldn't be a problem. Assuming there is only 1 night kill tonight we can safely say there is NO serial killer. On to more important things: The Lynch We know that there needs to be a majority lynch, the magic number today is 9. Here's what we should do. Build a case against, AT THE MOST, 2 players. This should be done within the first 24 hours. Have some good arguments ready because the town will pressure you by asking WHY we should lynch the person you're suspecting. Once we have a general idea of the two players we want to lynch we settle it over a vote. This guarantees that one player will be lynched. A couple of rules when voting should be established: 1. Do not vote for yourself 2. Do not vote for someone to essentially avoid confrontation or to "save your vote." 3. Try to vote once and stick with it. If you are protown you should abide by these rules. If you're scum you are highly encouraged to break these rules. Townies caught breaking these rules will die, and I will not feel sorry when we lose due to idiocy. Lurking will get you killed, so don't try it. I'll post suspects when I'm ready, it's really too early to just throw names out there. Points of scumminess: 1) Dictating in no uncertain terms what you should be doing as town. Oh my, so if I vote for someone and then realize that I've made a mistake, I'm not allowed to change my mind or I'm scum? I wholly disagree with this notion (and NOT because everyone's vote is on me). I feel like in a game of imperfect information, the information made available to us is NOT going to come all at once, and as such, people should be free to change their mind should they choose...and be able to do so without fearing that they'll instantly be painted scum for doing so. You know who wants people to be afraid of looking like scum? Scum do. 2) Suggesting that Town KP not be used tonight. There's literally NO reason not to use Town KP tonight. We'll find out if there's SK out there when there's unclaimed deaths. This reads like a scum that is afraid of getting vig'd because he knows he doesn't plan on posting much. Lurkers gon' die, that's been made abundantly clear. 3) Lurking will get you killed, so don't try it. lolwut? Amber has been THE MOST LURKY PLAYER IN THE GAME so far. 4) Promise to post suspects. Never does. Instead, jumps on the easy bandwagon and continues to lurk. No reason given. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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This just in: Amber is scummier than VisceraEyes. Authorities are suggesting that you switch your vote immediately and take advantage of this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to save an innocent life and end the life of a Mafioso scumbag (no offense)! | ||
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VisceraEyes
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##Unvote ##Vote LSB For the record, I in no way intend to let Amber go. But as he's somehow convinced you guys that he doesn't have to contribute, I can wait until tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow brings more posts. Hopefully tomorrow COMES for me.... | ||
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VisceraEyes
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##Vote: Amber[LighT] Sandroba is right. I switched because I wanted to live. I feel Amber is the most scummy today, so this is where my vote stays. Obviously sandroba isn't going to switch now because it appears that I'm appealing directly to him. Whatever. I like how everyone seems to think Amber is a good candidate...except that the only person voting for him is the person on the chopping block. That makes absolutely NO sense, and you guys are playing DIRECTLY into Mafia hands. I'm not going to try and save my own life anymore. I tried...annoyingly hard...to get you guys to see the [LighT] (like what I did there?  )...but you didn't listen. If I check back tomorrow and Amber is getting lynched, I'm going to be super shitty.Good luck town. Consider this my last post. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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1) ALL of mafia were already on me, so none were left to hammer me down. 2) Only 1 or 2 Mafia weren't on me, and they didn't want to risk immediate exposure. As they could have hidden pretty convincingly behind "I just didn't want a no-lynch" given the general consensus around the idea, I'm guessing 2 is probably not the case. As such, it is my belief that AT LEAST 3 IF NOT ALL THE MAFIA ARE IN THIS LIST BloodyC0bbler, sandroba, Radfield, deconduo, Amber[Light], Jackal58, Palmar | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Conversely, there is literally NO time Mafia would choose to No Lynch over mislynching a townie. I don't care who's on the team, I don't care if they risk exposure by doing so, it is 100% of the time better to lynch a townie than it is to No Lynch. And Mafia would KNOW I'm town. So I can't stress this enough guys. I'd bet almost anything in the world that the remainder of the scum-team is on this list. My guesses are in red, for what it's worth. BloodyC0bbler, sandroba, Radfield, deconduo, Amber[Light], Jackal58, Palmar If I die tonight (which I find likely), take a GOOD HARD LOOK at the people on this list. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Amber, for the record, I didn't cherry-pick that post of all the vast variety of quality content posts you provided...that was simply the one post with actual substance I could find...aside from "##Vote VE *bamf*" You DID mention lists in one or two posts, which I was tempted to put up there too, but they didn't say anything about anyone in the game...just an empty post to fill the void and avoid modkill. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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You never once analyzed me. Not. Once. You never even posted after I'd been replaced in until near the deadline. And you're right...your town play IS obvious. Obviously NOT how you're playing this game. Also, I've voted for 3 people. Palmar, Amber and for like 2 secs LSB, which was IMMEDIATELY retracted as I never felt he was scummy and I admitted that. That's not flailing about. Yes, I DID plead for my life. If you DARE call that scummy, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo guy. You don't find me scummy at all. And chances are, if you were town, you wouldn't find me scummy then either. You've got a long road ahead of you if you plan to A) put me in a world of hurt, B) Analyze everyone who didn't vote for me and C) try and push ILJ for lynch tomorrow as you'll SURELY kill me tonight. I don't envy you, sir. So do what you have to do. I'm but a small fish in a big pond here. But not quite as scummy a fish as you'd hoped. Kisses! | ||
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