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So with the Super Tournament entering the Ro8, I thought it'd be interesting to get opinions on whether the GSL should actually continue with the Super Tournament for next year or would you guys rather see another Code S/A.
I ask this because we saw a lot of Code B players making it to the Ro16 and I really feel that this is sort of detrimental to the whole GSL concept as it delays the progression of better players and rewards players who only managed to get where they are from achievements achieved in 2010, when the game was still very unrefined.
I would admit some genuinely good Code A/B players who are extremely unlucky to miss out on Code S have had their impressive moments and this actually is a really good opportunity for them to earn some big $$$, but I kind of feel that this tournament has actually been rewarding lesser skilled/past their prime players more than genuinely good up and comers in 3 ways:
1. Chance of less skilled players advancing
As we saw with a certain player today and a close miss with another, while the game is a lot less volatile, players are still quite likely to get in through cheese/one-base allins. Yes it's still more likely that the better player wins, and a cheese win is a win, but it's just really strange seeing that one guy who just advanced be there.
2. Delays the natural progression of competition skill level
Think about it, if say Leenock wins the Super Tournament and can't qualify for the next Code A (the qualifications are EXTREMELY tough) for some reason... wouldn't that be strange? If the tournament was replaced with another Code S/A season, we would see him actually have TWO chances to qualify, which is better than just one later. Meanwhile, players like Ensnare, HongUn and Trickster, who haven't impressed lately are still in Code S.
3. Deserving non-Code A/S up and comers miss out a lot
Code B players who are beastly like DongRaeGu, etc miss out on one additional chance to qualify for Code A.
When I first heard about the Super Tournament when it was first announced, I was not really agreeing with it (back when it was still 32 Code A + 32 Code S players). It just doesn't make sense for a Code A/B player to beat a Code S player and it sort of ruins the credibility of the Code S as the premier SC2 league.
Do note that my favourite player is MMA and it's great that he has a chance of winning this tournament. But I feel it's better for him to prove himself by advancing to Code S rather than winning the Super Tournament (although it has a bigger prize pool).
Another alternative for GOM would be to host the Super Tournament right at the end of the season (just before the Final tournament they have with the Top 16(?) players). That way the ranking system would give a better indication of skills.
I have always been a very vocal supporter of the Code S/A format despite a lot of criticism for it. But the Super Tournament just doesn't really make sense to me. I feel they should just get rid of it and redistribute the extra prize pool to the other GSL series or move it to the end of the year where it is more appropriate.
What do you guys think? Hopefully the GOM guys will take the feedback from this thread into consideration for next season.
Poll: What should the GSL do about the Super Tournament?Nothing wrong with it, leave it as it is. (90) 85% Move it to the end of the year before the Final Top 16 tournament (9) 8% Replace it with another Code A/S season and redistribute the additional prize money. (7) 7% 106 total votes Your vote: What should the GSL do about the Super Tournament? (Vote): Nothing wrong with it, leave it as it is.
(Vote): Replace it with another Code A/S season and redistribute the additional prize money.
(Vote): Move it to the end of the year before the Final Top 16 tournament
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The Super Tournament doesn't replace Code S/A, they're always on a two month cycle and there will be a GSL July. It's a nice change, would be a lot better if Wolf wasn't having to solo cast and most of the best players didn't get eliminated at always happens at GSL.
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Its fine, imo it gives those who were knocked to code B a chance to compete against the top dogs, or those who have had problems with up and down matches who are clearly code S material.
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I like the idea of moving to the end of the year so we get more players like DongRaeGu and less Thebest, legalmind, line, etc
Also I think performance in the GSTL should count for GSL rankings.
I think we can all be grateful that bitbybit wasn't invited to the Super Tournament though.
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After seeing TheBest play tonight, i never want to hear his name again
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I dunno that I agree with (1), there have been plenty of times when "less-skilled" players have made it out of group play in Code S.
I do think it might be nice to have Code A qualifiers still go on while the super-tournament is on, though, and just have a "double-sized" code A tournament in the next month.
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I think they should keep the super tourney, but make it so GSTL earn GSL ranking points. With GSTL being a regular 2 times a week next season, this would allow teams to field unknown but good players (=DRG) so they earn points. GOM can calculate so they earn just enough points to take the spots of inactive players like those who were ranked 64-78 for this super tourney, or just a little more for super skilled players.
This would allow the super tourney to be filled with monsters and add a lot of excitement.
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I acutally never got what the "L" in GSL is about.
There were never a real league, only tournaments. I'd really like to see a real league, preferably with teams, but single players would be nice too.
You could see much more diffrent players facing another, playing way more games than a single Bo3/5/7 hell even a Bo1 in the early stages of GSL.
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I think it's the last time we gonna see some players like TheWorst or Legalmind, because they will not get enough point for the next super tournament, so i'm fine with the actual system we just have to wait the new good players replace the bad players.
Maybe give points to the players with the GSTL can be a good idea too.
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On June 08 2011 22:15 Samhax wrote:
I think it's the lasttime we gonna see some players like TheWorst or Legalmind, because they will not get enough point for the next super tournament, so i'm fine with the actual system we just have to wait the new good players replace the bad players.
Maybe give points to the players with the GSTL can be a good idea too.
+ Show Spoiler +Somehow TheBest made it into the Round of 8.
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There is always going to be that one guy who cheeses/all-ins/lucks into a top eight or even semifinal seed.
This time it is TheBest.
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On June 08 2011 22:16 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 22:15 Samhax wrote:
I think it's the lasttime we gonna see some players like TheWorst or Legalmind, because they will not get enough point for the next super tournament, so i'm fine with the actual system we just have to wait the new good players replace the bad players.
Maybe give points to the players with the GSTL can be a good idea too. + Show Spoiler +Somehow TheBest made it into the Round of 8.
Yeah but i don't think he will make it to code A again, with the new comers. he just had a lucky bracket in the super tournament.
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On June 08 2011 22:16 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 22:15 Samhax wrote:
I think it's the lasttime we gonna see some players like TheWorst or Legalmind, because they will not get enough point for the next super tournament, so i'm fine with the actual system we just have to wait the new good players replace the bad players.
Maybe give points to the players with the GSTL can be a good idea too. + Show Spoiler +Somehow TheBest made it into the Round of 8.
Edit double post.
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On June 08 2011 22:17 Fionn wrote:
There is always going to be that one guy who cheeses/all-ins/lucks into a top eight or even semifinal seed.
This time it is TheBest.
Hell we even had Rain cheese/all-in/luck his way into the finals. 
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On June 08 2011 22:02 Blasphemi wrote:
The Super Tournament doesn't replace Code S/A, they're always on a two month cycle and there will be a GSL July. It's a nice change, would be a lot better if Wolf wasn't having to solo cast and most of the best players didn't get eliminated at always happens at GSL.
I do agree that it's a nice change, but the way points were giving favored the players who had been in Code S because of somewhat consistent (although bad Open Season results - see LegalMind and JookTo). I dunno, I guess I prefer continuity than something different. I'd much rather see skill progression than just players leeching off their achievements 1 year ago.
Just wonder why they didn't make this tournament an Open Tournament though. Maybe seed the Top 32 GSL points players and then make the rest Open.
On June 08 2011 22:03 Benjef wrote:
Its fine, imo it gives those who were knocked to code B a chance to compete against the top dogs, or those who have had problems with up and down matches who are clearly code S material.
But if they're going to be stuck in Code A/B, it would be strange if they somehow managed to win and then disappeared completely. Like I said I'm a big MMA fan and I'm hoping he takes it, but I'd much rather see him get Code S than win this.
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I feel like this tournament could use a different format. Perhaps some group play offs at the start, or something? It's very possible for better players to get knocked out in Bo3's, also random luck with brackets may well mean not so good players advancing, which leads to some very boring games. I suppose after a while this kind of a tournament would work even with current rules (once some certain people aren't able to get an invite into it...), but I don't know.
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Feels like this tournament is being rushed.
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I'd like to see more structure with all of their tournaments in general. I feel like there are just so many events, and I think it would be better if they somehow ordered their tournaments rather than having team league, world championship, code s/a, and super tournament all scattered throughout the year. Also, having one big GSL tournament every month kind of makes the whole thing banal for me, and I'd rather have a variety of smaller tournaments played more often, with a large prize pool style GSL played several times a year, and then a really big super tournament, which might feature a loser's bracket as well so that players like MC and Bomber don't get screwed with brackets and knocked out so early ._.
Then again, this tournament style is because Gom has a monopoly on SC2 in korea, and if they can sustain this kind of production quality and prize pool every month, then I'm not really complaining too much. I dunno, it would be cool if SC2 tournament style was like Tennis, where you have a bunch of smaller events in a circuit interspersed with the Big 4 Tournaments, which are hosted by distinct venues. And then there could be a true super tournament by GOM at the end of the year, which would give better prize money to players at all the levels. hmmm just some rambling thoughts @_@
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I really haven't enjoyed Super Tournament at all but there are plenty of reasons for that not necessarily the systems fault. Still on the strength of the experience this season I'd rather watch regular code A/code S. Think about how much of a game changer it would be if the extra prize money got distributed over a year of code A.
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On June 08 2011 22:32 KimJongChill wrote:
I'd like to see more structure with all of their tournaments in general. I feel like there are just so many events, and I think it would be better if they somehow ordered their tournaments rather than having team league, world championship, code s/a, and super tournament all scattered throughout the year. Also, having one big GSL tournament every month kind of makes the whole thing banal for me, and I'd rather have a variety of smaller tournaments played more often, with a large prize pool style GSL played several times a year, and then a really big super tournament, which might feature a loser's bracket as well so that players like MC and Bomber don't get screwed with brackets and knocked out so early ._.
Then again, this tournament style is because Gom has a monopoly on SC2 in korea, and if they can sustain this kind of production quality and prize pool every month, then I'm not really complaining too much. I dunno, it would be cool if SC2 tournament style was like Tennis, where you have a bunch of smaller events in a circuit interspersed with the Big 4 Tournaments, which are hosted by distinct venues. And then there could be a true super tournament by GOM at the end of the year, which would give better prize money to players at all the levels. hmmm just some rambling thoughts @_@
The Super Tournament and the Blizzard Cup (I believe that's what they call the tournament featuring the Top 16 GSL players) I guess are the "big" tournaments which GOM has.
I dunno, I feel like the real "league" aspect of the GSL is its continuity. That's why I'm not such a big fan of the Super Tournament... but actually now that I think about it, the Super Tournament is kind of like the FA Cup to the English Premier League.
Would have made more sense if the qualifications were Open though. And just maybe seeding the Top 32.
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