TL Mafia XLII

On June 15 2011 06:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

This is wrong. You make way too many assumptions here, first of all, who cares if the mafia is found out? You act as if mafia are absolutely self serving, which they aren't. They are part of a team. If I was mafia and I played an intricate part in my teams victory, just because I die doesn't remove from what I have accomplished, and I still get the win. So yes, mafia might eventually get found out in a circle, but by then they will have gotten enough info to justify their deaths.

And a godfather can easily fake a medic, vigilante, and veteran role so just excluding vet's from your circle doesn't do shit. A medic/vigilante/veteran role cannot guarantee confirm a player in one night, only a DT check can. If you spend 3 night cycles circle jerking yourself around with DT checks then mafia can just float in the inactives. As stated earlier, DT's should be checking inactives, active players WILL be outed by superior behavior analysis by good players.

The circle plan sucked. My plan was better because it involved me doing something I am good at, and that others know I am good at, and doesn't involve having our blues suck each other off for 3 night cycles while trying to coordinate their collective stupidity.

On June 15 2011 12:38 aidnai wrote:
That WAS my birthday wish ilj!

For other new-er blues in this game, i'm gonna bring this up since Chaos13 is dead already anyway: look at chaos13's posts. There's like 4-5 of them from N0, and all but maybe one are giving blues advice, asking for blue advice, or otherwise discussing blue roles. IMO, he was a pretty obvious snipe. Moral of the story: don't spend a lot of time talking about blues and nothing else. We can talk about this more post-game.

Scamp, the game GGQ is talking about is XXXVII. Ver = Ser Aspi. Although he and jackal did use PMs well, especially when it came to the endgame, the town kinda got lucky with a huge town circle that cleared LSB who otherwise would have been a great and easy mislynch for scum to push. So... yeah, like almost every game, it wasn't perfect play (or what we imagine is perfect) that won that game for town.

Back to this game: I can only assume that Pondo was an attempted blue snipe. Not sure about kita.

I find it odd that scum went for blue snipes over forum vets n0. I take this to mean that BC's zodiac was successful in deterring hits... Well, that's only good for us imo.

On June 15 2011 13:26 aidnai wrote:
rofl, sorry for spam/derail guys, but xsixVer just beat col.Catz on taldarim, cross positions, using tank/marine with epic multipronged attacks and NUKES lol... poor catz plays without sound so he can listen to music, got nailed by the nukes like 4 times omg...

On June 15 2011 13:05 aidnai wrote:
at this moment, Ver is playing catz on catz' stream

On June 15 2011 14:32 aidnai wrote:
since nobody is stepping up and posting anything... I guess I'll go ahead and start pressure voting.

##Vote: Grassgiraffe



Your friend said you wouldn't disappoint. Prove him wrong, make my day.

On June 15 2011 17:17 Scamp wrote:
Well, my vote will be on aidnai until he can shake off the stench of spam and blue-snipe bragging.

On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote:


Hey, guess what? You're on the Zodiac List. Let's see some better analysis out of you. This is bandwagon shit which might have been overlooked had you not been on the list, but since you are, I feel the need to pressure you a little. You posted obvious info here while accusing him of posting obvious info. Step up your game.

On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote:


Hey, guess what? You're on the Zodiac List. Let's see some better analysis out of you. This is bandwagon shit which might have been overlooked had you not been on the list, but since you are, I feel the need to pressure you a little. You posted obvious info here while accusing him of posting obvious info. Step up your game.

On June 16 2011 04:47 sinani206 wrote:
Yeah I was actually going through the list and you were first. I would've done him next.

On June 16 2011 13:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
For reference, people who haven't posted/contributed since Day 1 post:

Impervious
Node
hiro protagonist
GGQ
grassgiraffe (Likely Modkill, no posts)
mig
LandenC (1 post in game)
Jacinto (1 post in game)
Lazorbear (1 post in game)
RebirthofLegend

This list actually makes me a little sad, because more than half of these people have played before, or are veterans, but we still have terrible activity.

On June 16 2011 12:52 ilovejonn wrote:
Yeah, I feel scum are definitely content with the environment right now, and obviously liking the discussion at hand. We'd be better off voting for lurkers to force them to talk as I feel there are plenty of scum hiding right now. Night 0 start + half way through Day 1 and A LOT of people have bare minimum posts, heck some people haven't even started posting since the Day post. This really irks me. However, they WILL have to come up with a reason to vote anyways or risk being modkilled. I'm expecting by the end of the Day half ass bandwagons and reasons for voting will be formed and we can further examine those people.

Note: I'll be away from 11 am - 6 pm for most days coming.

On June 17 2011 05:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Your new so maybe you don't understand some things. Day 1 is near impossible to scumhunt unless people realllly fuck up somewhere along the line. It's even harder when players like yourself opt to sitback and not post until pressured. You were lurking, you got called out, and suddenly the person who does it is red.

You mention I am red because of the zodiac list? all the names of players on that list are people who will prove their alignment via play in thread, analysis done on them, etc... Dt checks are far more useful being directed at people (much like yourself) who are lurking hard and not contributing. If someone is unreadable because they skirt by sheeping the entire game a dt check can clear them or damn them very quickly. A gf is much more likely to be hiding in a list of veteran players than it is amongst lurkers as well.

Making myself accountable for my actions and adding scruitiny to myself is not pro mafia, its pro town.


You then mention most of my posts are on bad plans? pushing to kill lurkers? Wow, since when is trying to organize people from doing bad moves an anti town play? Trying to organize people and get them to realize bandwagons they are on are most likely wrong is not mafia play.

Take a look at the major 3 bandwagons. All 3 started fairly early and had next to no opposition except from the players involved. No one was defending them? at all? Instead there was next to no discussion, people sheep'd onto some of those lists not even justifying themselves. That screams mafia are content to sit back and let the shit happen.

Use your head people.

On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.

As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.

One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.

As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.

##Vote: grassgiraffe

On June 17 2011 04:57 Kenpachi wrote:

I can understand how mad you are because most vets tend to have the same response atleast once (or more!)

I say BC is mafia because I dont really see the usefulness in his posts. He made a lot of lists and pointed out a bunch of inactives (including you) but really, thats it. I guess its brash to accuse him of being mafia when i think there is nothing to talk about but still.

On June 17 2011 06:13 Jacinto wrote:
Allright, I agree with voting the lurkers. BC's argument makes sense. We have to make them start posting, or kill them. If we don't and they happen to be mafia, we're gonna be in trouble later on.
I change my vote to GG because of his extreme inactiveness, him breaking the scilence with a very wierd post, where he just dashes in, jumps on the BW without explanation, dashes out.
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However, I still FoS ILJ.

##Vote grassgiraffe

On June 17 2011 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote sinani206

##Vote: grassgiraffe

I admit that I sheepishly voted sinani based on weak logic and the desperate hope that he'd actually flip red. I agree that inactivity is more effectively dealt with now rather than later, and I hope the remaining lurkers after today will see GG as an example.

HA...GG.

GG, GG.

On June 17 2011 06:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
@Wiggles:

For the reasons I stated. If Grass comes in and says something, hell anything, that would be of an contribution, I will take my vote off him. I will urge others to do the same. If I had to vote for someone else, I would vote ILJ or Impervious.

On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:
Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post:



Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction!

Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this.