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Let me get this straight I am fairly new to the proscene pre flash era around 2008 and I have been around playing starcraft 1 and bw in 1998 hands on and even gone on to some few lans with friends than due to the hype back than fps games were mostly the crowd favourites and cs 1.6 was the dominant back than on non korean grounds the eu,america and across the globe sc bw did not captured the hearts of many back than not as much as how korea did .
I am just raising the possibility of broodwar actually revamp to probably a hd graphics as par as broodwar but really good crispy graphics which would be as good as the old bw . As most of the arguments from youngs kids these day that is bw is too ugly to even be appealing to them hence the need for a probably a shift of the entirety of all bw mechanics and micro on to a game engine that is capable of not only delivering the old good stuff that we know from bw and the combination of graphics that will make sponsors nod gladly with approval .
Just look at the cs pro mod scene for example I was unfortunately back than more a fps gamer and even had puppy dreams such as being cs source progamer back than when they had the CGS(Championship Gaming Series ) .It was the bomb teams such as 3d and complexity were of the talk of the day although unfortunately the game company failed in delivering or meeting its requirement and had itself wrap up but enough of cs source background . Now on the proposition of cs pro mod the counter strike scene was at first had a really good community from having tons of tournaments back than and was mushrooming more than my fingers can count although it was probably through time and the coming of new games that could possibly said to have compete with once solid counter strike interest such as Call of duty but nonetheless I got interested into the scene of pro gaming due to CGS and that was through cs source .
Back than when valve released cs source a whole lot of progamers from 1.6 all had the impression that the game was just too noob friendly , bigger hitboxes means getting headshot much easier , moving while shooting does not affect your shooting and the list can go on hence the cry of heresy from all 1.6 players and HATE from the old scene and for a cs source gamer who had experience of both world I could not have understand their cries I could have frag as easily as I could in source and 1.6 and still play well it's just that when graphics are in comparison I was more on the cs source side as it did appeal to me as I got familiar with the game . Unfortunately cs source died when all the CGS hype crash down and due to the 1.6 players not supporting the new game it just came crashing down and as you know Cs source is probably called an inferior game .
Why am I talking about cs source and 1.6 in a broodwar forum ? It's because not only has cs source ,cs 1.6 and starcraft Bw and Starcraft 2 share the same problem as what only was stopping probably new interest is probably the stupid argument that it had old graphics cs 1.6 and Bw had really old graphics (its okay to me ^^) but that view is probably a minority to some of us who had grown with the game hence the need for a whole new redevelopment of bw and port it into a engine that can actually bring both fans of the new generation (graphics omg lols important ) and bw ( mechanics.micro oriented ) fuse into one component .
Which is currently happening in the cs pro mod scene not only it blended what people thought was the impossible in a cs source game that is Wall BANGING , Smaller models ,cs 1.6 accurate shooting and the amazing graphics of valve cs source into one . I have seen its development from the community who actually built up and incorporated all the old features from 1.6 into source making it probably a game that can actually fused the two scene together as valve like some Lizzard with the B in front would actually care about what makes a game actually work and tick .
With that in mind I am just wondering whether is there is a possibility out there will there be anyone who is working on some project like the cs pro mod except this is for BW ?
You can criticize my opinions and thoughts about it or anything as I am just throwing these out these comparison between the two scene that actually plague both of the scene that is the lack of a game that can actually covers both of two worlds one with having the old good competitive game play that we all are craving in current new games and with good graphics that is up today standard .
I am probably going to be shot down with people coming from the SC 2 side saying probably I should have move on with times and with comments such as get a new pc but we all do know that Sc2 isn't the sequel that we all have waited for 10 years that it isn't the game that actually had captured our hearts and soul when we first laid down our eyes on Starcraft .But nonetheless it is clearly true that we deep down in our self every time we lay our self on our sc2 we will be wondering what if Sc2 had units like Bw how would it have work out ? Would we actually be joining the sc2 community now with such old favourites and old mechanics that actually made it in to the game and not with the all the old slow mo blob vs blob units .
I am leaving this to the mods ... I hope they actually will allow this kind of discussion to be actually be discussed because after all bw isn't really growing in my opinion Dwindling numbers in iccup and most of what is left is the community its probably us hard core bw players and the koreans .
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I believe there is a Starcraft mod which runs on the Warcraft III engine, you might want to check that out(Although I am not certain that it is popular......AT ALL), also fish and Brainclan are from what I heard the shit these days.
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so basically what your saying if for another bw with pristine graphics. its been debated to death tbh. With people saying both the pros and cons in threads.
I think this thread will be closed for the fact its been talked about before. and it looks like it will not ever happen.
But basically people say better graphics would be nice. but it should not matter. We love bw the way it is, why should we change it just to appease to casual players who care too much for graphics.
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Croatia9446 Posts
If you like BW, than just keep playing BW (like me ^^). I really don't see where is the problem as long as we have Korean progame scene to watch and as long as we have someone to play this beautiful game with.
We don't need to compromise...
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On April 26 2011 17:59 2Pacalypse- wrote:
If you like BW, than just keep playing BW (like me ^^). I really don't see where is the problem as long as we have Korean progame scene to watch and as long as we have someone to play this beautiful game with.
We don't need to compromise...
exactly. Love bw for itself.
its like expecting a person you love to change what they look like. so you have something better looking to wake up to in the morning. It won't happen. and you're likely to get smacked for it.
I know of a bw mod for sc2. but its complete garbage. I know its going to be brought up in this thread. but its a complete joke of a mod. like of bw with sc2 like balance. its garbage. Lets just say its worse than playing auctual sc2.
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If you play a game just for its good graphics, you won't be playing that game for very long...
So making BW 2.0 is just a waste of time.
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On April 26 2011 18:07 meegrean wrote:
If you play a game just for its good graphics, you won't be playing that game for very long...
So making BW 2.0 is just a waste of time.
Couldn't of put it any better.
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There is actually a HD mode for BW. It's not good to play the game, but it's awesome to watch replays.
I love BW, the games on the Korean scene are still incredibly entertaining, and even if the B.net server or Iccup server are not as crowded as they use to be, as long as I have people to play with, it's great !
Oh, by the way I played a practice game yesterday, PvZ @ FS where I opened a 1gate scout, and then realized it was against someone from op teamliquid, was a really fun game, thanks to whoever who'll recognize himself <3
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316
SC2 mod that has all of the BW units as well as some of the old mechanics (limited building/unit selection, no automine, etc). However, as masterbreti said, it's nowhere near the real BW. It's still using the SC2 engine so a lot of the subtleties just aren't there.
Now ask yourself, could you really take BW seriously as an e-sport if we had to upgrade the graphics every few years to appease the masses?
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If someone is wary of Brood War solely because he finds its graphics unsatisfactory, I probably wouldn't enjoy associating with him in the first place.
I last played the SC2BW mod about a month ago and the most glaring difference was the mineral income scaling with high mineral line saturation. With consistent worker production you could simply reach a mineral intake vastly outstripping what would happen in the BW engine. I remember from the thread that the map designer was working on mitigating this, but I don't know if he's been successful or not.
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o.o BW has pretty awesome graphics imo
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On April 26 2011 18:53 icystorage wrote:
o.o BW has pretty awesome graphics imo
TvZ on Match Point reminds me of some wicked sci-fi anime. 
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What makes BW special is because of its UI and unit behaviour as well. Its not BW without it, and any other engine would have a hard time replicating that honestly.
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On April 26 2011 18:53 icystorage wrote:
o.o BW has pretty awesome graphics imo
Much better than SC2 imho. They are simpler, more sober, clearer and nicer.
BW is a perfect game. Nothing is to be changed. The 3D adds nothing except more dollars for Blizzard because masses love it.
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On April 26 2011 18:58 DoX.) wrote:
What makes BW special is because of its UI and unit behaviour as well. Its not BW without it, and any other engine would have a hard time replicating that honestly.
QFT
My biggest problem with SC2 is to see marines behaving like a toy army grouping together and being perfectly coordinate.
BW's best quality is its simplicity and all the unplanned / unpredictable stuff which turned out to be incredibly important (hello there muta stacking / irregular wall-ins / dragoon ai etc...)
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On April 26 2011 17:57 Kipsate wrote:
I believe there is a Starcraft mod which runs on the Warcraft III engine, you might want to check that out(Although I am not certain that it is popular......AT ALL), also fish and Brainclan are from what I heard the shit these days.
Project Revolution?
http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-revolution
They had a Terran demo released, but there hasn't been an update in years. The mod is believed to be dead, which is a shame since it really tried to completely replicate BW on the WC3 engine with exact replicas of all the BW buildings and sprites and textures.
Also, the leaked Blizzard product release timeline had a mysterious project called "SC2 Phoenix." Though we only know about the project's name, a few people speculate that perhaps it might be an HD remake or remaster. However, it's just rumors at this point.
Also, I think it would be quite difficult to remake BW without changing some subtle, key features. Trying to replicate the micro tricks and subtleties in a new engine would be in vain since no matter how much work is done, it's extremely difficult to artificially capture the exact "feel" of stacking, moving shot, and patrol micro. Fixing pathing AI will also remove some key dynamics in the game, such as balancing the power of Reavers with crappy Scarab AI.
All the aspects of BW, from the subtle engine flaws to the brilliant game design, contribute to the experience that we all know and love. It's hard to tweak the game and fix these flaws without ruining some part of that experience.
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On April 26 2011 18:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 18:53 icystorage wrote:
o.o BW has pretty awesome graphics imo Much better than SC2 imho. They are simpler, more sober, clearer and nicer. BW is a perfect game. Nothing is to be changed. The 3D adds nothing except more dollars for Blizzard because masses love it.
Well.... not to be a StarCraft II fanboy, but the StarCraft II graphics are definitely prettier. However, as an observer sport. BW takes the cake. It is so much easier to see everything. I will take watching BW over StarCraft II any day. That being said, StarCraft II is not a bad game. It just needs the kinks worked out.
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On April 26 2011 18:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 18:53 icystorage wrote:
o.o BW has pretty awesome graphics imo Much better than SC2 imho. They are simpler, more sober, clearer and nicer. BW is a perfect game. Nothing is to be changed. The 3D adds nothing except more dollars for Blizzard because masses love it.
What bothers me with SC2 is that everything is dark blueish / dark grayish for almost all units of all races, and except the jungle tileset, most maps are the same color as the units. When you add big lighting and spell effects on top of that you really can't see anything.
I forced myself to watch the TSL3 because well it's TSL, and had to give up after a few games because of this.
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What I would LOVE to see are like minor expansion packs for BW released maybe once a in 5 years or so to keep it fresh -- made not by Dustin Browder and co. but rather the original makers.
Buffing of scouts/ghosts/queens, HD resolution, and some minor UI tweaks come to mind. Maybe a few new units.
Of course, this will never happen.
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