EPT[D] BroodWar 2.0 ? - Page 3
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
However, messing with any aspect of BW is like straddling a tightrope, so any changes would need to have negligible effects on the gameplay itself. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10890 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2608 Posts
On April 26 2011 20:33 MavercK wrote: it's not about replacing BW either. never is or was my intention. i simply had high hopes for sc2 and it let me down. but i do enjoy it's sparkles. I like this sentence. A Lot. Well, by now you should be used to people talking crap about a mod they probably played once/never. Goodluck for your project dude. I for one will be rooting for ur work : ) | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5891 Posts
On April 26 2011 21:37 eviltomahawk wrote: Actually, it would be cool for Blizzard to release a color fix for Windows Vista and Windows 7, along with official, more robust observer features. Perhaps it might even be possible to tweak the sprites and tweak the resolution. It also might be nice if Battle.net was updated with some more features, better anti-hack security, and more reliable networking. However, messing with any aspect of BW is like straddling a tightrope, so any changes would need to have negligible effects on the gameplay itself. THIS. SO MUCH THIS. The problem is, Blizzard knows that BW is the biggest competitor of SC2 at the moment. Getting a graphics upgrade, Vista/7 fixes, more observer features, integrated anti-hack, automated match-making with custom ladders (in terms of point system and maps) would be a dream come true. It could really revitalize the foreign BW scene because, as it is, the dated (but still pretty) graphics and the lack of proper match-making that makes playing BW intimidating for inexperienced players are the two main reasons why BW cannot attract more players these days (and for those saying that we shouldn't care for people who only care about graphics - more (vastly) players -> bigger non-Korean audience -> more sponsors -> more tournaments -> more incentive for skilled foreigners to come back). | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
I have some comments on the mod, but I will post them in that thread so it gets a bump  | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:20 maybenexttime wrote: THIS. SO MUCH THIS. The problem is, Blizzard knows that BW is the biggest competitor of SC2 at the moment. Getting a graphics upgrade, Vista/7 fixes, more observer features, integrated anti-hack, automated match-making with custom ladders (in terms of point system and maps) would be a dream come true. It could really revitalize the foreign BW scene because, as it is, the dated (but still pretty) graphics and the lack of proper match-making that makes playing BW intimidating for inexperienced players are the two main reasons why BW cannot attract more players these days (and for those saying that we shouldn't care for people who only care about graphics - more (vastly) players -> bigger non-Korean audience -> more sponsors -> more tournaments -> more incentive for skilled foreigners to come back). yeah maybe we should Email Blizzard and ask them for tools to make all this stuff possible by ourselves and release the patch in their name. but,If I ever think about doing this myself i keep thinking of how to fix scouts...:p | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4202 Posts
Imagine BW with SC2 graphics and everything else remaining the same, people would watch BW for sure. I can only dream though :p | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
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.Aar
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There's nothing wrong with changing something to "appeal to the masses" if it doesn't change anything for the hardcore crowd. If your argument is simply that BW graphics are "better," just roll with that. Don't bust out the I DON'T LIKE IT BC IT WOULD BE POPULAR nonsense. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:54 .Aar wrote: Regarding graphics: What's with all the hipster shit? There's nothing wrong with changing something to "appeal to the masses" if it doesn't change anything for the hardcore crowd. If your argument is simply that BW graphics are "better," just roll with that. Don't bust out the I DON'T LIKE IT BC IT WOULD BE POPULAR nonsense. I don't think anyone said that here at all. The point people were making is that we should not consider graphics to appeal to the masses. The graphics are fine as is. | ||
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flx!
United States101 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On April 27 2011 02:26 Golgotha wrote: not to burst your bubble but there is already a really well done Brood War SC2 mod made by Maverck. I am sure someone already told you but you should go check it out. it really is amazing! Like metioned in previous posts. the mod is garbage. You cannot auctally port bw to sc2. Its common sense. No matter how much maverk or whatever his name is may try. It won't work. sc2bw is just another attempt by sc2 fanboys to make people want to switch. bw is bw for a reason. We houldn't try to change it, cause we will just have this debate over and over again. We have a great proscene in korea that we love. we have a mostly wonderful community. I don't know why we are trying to point out what bw does not have. Why don't we focus on working with what we have and making a better community. Rather then ofcusing on the graphics User was warned for this post | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
He obviously cared enough to get hand rendered models and it's a pretty damn good adaptation. Is it BW? Of course not, but even BW diehards can get a great blast of fun out of it, me being one myself. I do agree with the idea of making a better, more active community however. Especially considering how slow it seems around here ever since SC2 came out. That being said, PL has been innnnnncredible since the whole SCII issue even came to glance. I've seen some of the best games of my life this year. Maybe there needs to be a comprehensive thread with channels, meet up online times, facebook groups, all that good jazz. We've lost almost all our old English commentators right? Let's make a thread about how to get started there. Let's get more streamers. Let's get more liquipedia editors. Discuss, without the usual downfall into one vs the other, the likes and dislikes from users all over the world as far as games, commentary, etc so we can get more people who want to start involved in doing so. Also, there's nothing wrong with a graphics update unless it changes gameplay. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 26 2011 19:43 BrTarolg wrote: :D Man i would have play this any day over sc2 but that spine crawler is no sunken colony T_T | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 27 2011 02:39 masterbreti wrote: Like metioned in previous posts. the mod is garbage. You cannot auctally port bw to sc2. Its common sense. No matter how much maverk or whatever his name is may try. It won't work. sc2bw is just another attempt by sc2 fanboys to make people want to switch. bw is bw for a reason. We houldn't try to change it, cause we will just have this debate over and over again. We have a great proscene in korea that we love. we have a mostly wonderful community. I don't know why we are trying to point out what bw does not have. Why don't we focus on working with what we have and making a better community. Rather then ofcusing on the graphics Hmmm... that seems to be quite a harsh statement for someone who has contributed so much of his time to such a major project. It's not perfect, but it's the best BW mod that SC2 currently has, and there is an impressive amount of time and effort spent coding and modeling the entire thing. Plus, I think that it probably would be more constructive to point out the flaws in the mod instead of outright dismissing the entire thing as garbage. Unlike Blizzard, Maverick is open to suggestions. Furthermore, I don't think the mod is a conspiracy by SC2 fanboys to cause people to switch. I think it's more of an impassioned effort to replicate a more beloved game in a new engine to make up for the fact that SC2 lacks certain elements from BW. It's a completely innocent endeavor, and it was only an inevitable amount of time before someone tried modding BW into SC2 considering that the majority of art assets are already available in SC2. Also, it's definitely not unprecedented considering how people tried modding BW into C&C Generals and Warcraft 3, though in vain. Heck, someone even tried modding SC2 sprites into BW to create an SC2 mod in BW. IMO, it's downright mean to be dismissing the project with such harsh words. Sure, it will never be a perfect replica of BW. However, it's the closest we've got to an exact replica currently available, except for the incomplete Project Revolution mod for WC3. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On April 27 2011 02:39 masterbreti wrote: Like metioned in previous posts. the mod is garbage. You cannot auctally port bw to sc2. Its common sense. No matter how much maverk or whatever his name is may try. It won't work. sc2bw is just another attempt by sc2 fanboys to make people want to switch. bw is bw for a reason. We houldn't try to change it, cause we will just have this debate over and over again. We have a great proscene in korea that we love. we have a mostly wonderful community. I don't know why we are trying to point out what bw does not have. Why don't we focus on working with what we have and making a better community. Rather then ofcusing on the graphics That is some hardcore religious fanaticism. What is necessary in order to proceed is to accept the premises of western popularisation. They dont exist. The target audience potential to enjoy the game already accepts the graphics. Look at classics - SNES games, PS1 games. Suffer due to low graphics? No, because it is not that premise that allowed them to become deep, but a misunderstood market perception. Let me elaborate. The gaming market has undergone the same problem of mass production for masses that can be seen elsewhere. That means that attributes preferable by elite minorities,which accompany the creation of the genre of games in the first place due to ingeniousness of the innovators, will be substituted with those appealing to the masses, as the profit motive suggests. This has two implications 1.Games(or other media) of a genre's youth displays higher level of ingenuity. and secondly, which is critical for the point of this thread 2. The byproducts of maturing of genre(polished appearance, better graphics) are not the reason for the increased popularity. Rather, it is the simplified gameplay. What can be concluded from this is the contradictory nature of uniting the goals of mass appeal and of elitist definitions. | ||
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