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Hi TL. I see people in this subforum like to discuss all kinds of things so lets discuss this.
Some time ago I stumbled into information about a certain doctor called Royal Raymond Rife that had its glory days during 20s and 30s of the previous century. I would say his story is similar to the one of Nikola Tesla (except Tesla managed to get some of his inventions into mainstream before being shut down by people afraid of him).
EDIT: My original topic was done too fast with not enough research. I have put all that in the spoiler tag a bit down, but here I will put better links with better info about all of this.
So a link to the story: http://www.examiner.com/holistic-science-spirit-in-national/incredible-cures-ignored-by-science-royal-rife-and-others
Science behind these devices: http://www.rt66.com/~rifetech/
A link to some current scientific research on Rife device (together with videos of experiments):
http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/music/aholland/PlasmaTwo.htm
This site also has great info: http://www.rife.de/
Link to recovered data about Rife life and work http://www.rife.org/.
+ Show Spoiler +EDIT: OK, I see this topic title is too provocative. I should have picked a better one. I here present a load of info for anyone that finds it interesting and wants to find out more. Then you can decide if there is more to it. EDIT: OK, the article fracked up with the virus cancer thing. But that does not invalidate the whole of it. it is explained in the article how Rife managed to give cancer to rats. Read the research papers instead of just screaming bullocks! EDIT: I wanted to make the title more interesting so I just put cancer in it, but if you read carefully this method actually cures a huge number of illnesses and those ARE viruses. The article in this link explains stuff pretty well, I recommend you to read all of it (EDIT: looks like the article is a bit too much conspiracy theory heavy and that seems to bother some people, look at the first link to see more science behind it): http://www.rense.com/general31/rife.htmLet me quote some of the more interesting parts: Royal Rife had identified the human cancer virus first...in 1920! Rife then made over 20,000 unsuccessful attempts to transform normal cells into tumor cells. He finally succeeded when he irradiated the cancer virus, passed it through a cell-catching ultra-fine porcelain filter, and injected it into lab animals. Not content to prove this virus would cause one tumor, Rife then created 400 tumors in succession from the same culture. He documented everything with film, photographs, and meticulous records. He named the cancer virus 'Cryptocides primordiales.' AND Rife ignored the debate, preferring to concentrate on refining his method of destroying these tiny killer viruses. He used the same principle to kill them, which made them visible: resonance.
By increasing the intensity of a frequency which resonated naturally with these microbes, Rife increased their natural oscillations until they distorted and disintegrated from structural stresses. Rife called this frequency 'the mortal oscillatory rate,' or 'MOR', and it did no harm whatsoever to the surrounding tissues. AND This principle can be illustrated by using an intense musical note to shatter a wine glass: the molecules of the glass are already oscillating at some harmonic (multiple) of that musical note; they are in resonance with it. Because everything else has a different resonant frequency, nothing but the glass is destroyed. There are literally hundreds of trillions of different resonant frequencies, and every species and molecule has its very own.
It took Rife many years, working 48 hours at a time, until he discovered the frequencies which specifically destroyed herpes, polio, spinal meningitis, tetanus, influenza, and an immense number of other dangerous disease organisms.
My opinion:
I believe this guy really found the cure for cancer and other illnesses, but what I am not sure if people who today sell instruments based on his discoveries are trying to cheat us or not. What I am really sad is that the mainstream science community is not trying to a part of this and help make this a mainstream thing that will benefit the whole of mankind.
Discuss the information given, not me. I didn't write anything presented on these links, I am just a messenger.
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So yeah, I'm sure every dedicated researcher is in on this conspiracy. Because with todays knowledge, anyone with expertise in this area would be able to say if this was actually possible, or they could try it out themselves.
However I'm sure if you look up all doctors that were born in the 30's, you would see that most of them died. Cover up? Most likely.
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Fascinating. It would be crazy to see if his research is documented and if there truly is any merit behind it. Really needs to be sourced
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The thing with cures for stuff is that it's not in the interest of the people in power to find or use it.
If I cure you once for 500$ I get payed 500$.
If I find drugs or treatments that keep it at bay and sell it to you for 50$ a month, I'll get payed for as long as you live.
Numbers are pulled out of the air, but basically I'm saying subscription model vs one time pay.
It's a sad reality. This is one of the core problems with private medical company research. The only people interested in curing diseases are the people who have no control over finding cures.
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Holy shit! I knew music had divine powers! =D
What's funny is I actually had a biology teacher in high school that believed we already found the cure for cancer along with a lot of other deadly diseases but people were just hiding it to make money off of those who were sick and had to pay for treatments and medicine. Looks like he wasn't far off after all huh? haha
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this type of thread is an excellent shibboleth. divides the retards from the norms really well
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seriously^^ how can anyone take stuff like that serious?
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if a regular internet user can find this, why isnt it plastered all over the news >_>
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highly skeptical.
quick google showed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rife#Modern_revival.2C_marketing.2C_and_health_fraud
So no, he hasn't stood up to replication and peer review. Sadly.
And no, the argument that OMG THEY ARE HIDING THE CURE TO MAKE BILLIONZZ is bass ackwards because the person finding the cure would also make billions and there are equal amounts of money hungry sharks on both ends, supporting and subverting it, but if it works, the sharks supporting it will ultimately outnumber the other side.
Skepticism and Google, dont thrust into the interwebs without protection, or you might catch a bad brain virus.
Edit: for the trolls:
yes, wikipedia is full of shit sometimes, but the sources listed arnt. so go choke on a pig bladder.
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The saddest thing about these cancer cure threads is its usually not a troll 
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With so much to comment on...
There is no "human cancer virus". Cancer is "the uncontrolled growth of abnormal cells in the body". There is no one things that causes cancer. It is caused by viruses, genetics, and the environment. This is known by every doctor and researcher in the world, and I imagine most educated people.
You can't destroy specific cells with sound. The principle does not carry over from shattering glass like a convenient Star Trek episode.
Silliness the whole way through.
(I wish it were appropriate to report threads like this).
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It's cute how you think cancer is a virus.
An oncovirus can cause cancer because it increases mutagenesis, but that's about it => Less than 1/5th of cancers are thought to be linked to oncoviruses, and these viruses already have some very efficient treatment methods. The issue is screening, not treatment.
As for:
My opinion:
I believe this guy really found the cure for cancer and other illnesses, but what I am not sure if people who today sell instruments based on his discoveries are trying to cheat us or not. What I am really sad is that the mainstream science community is not trying to a part of this and help make this a mainstream thing that will benefit the whole of mankind.
So this article was enough to convice you that he had cured cancer? That was easy.
And now you're sad about the state of research without even having the slightest idea about what's being done?
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Resonance? Really? Do you understand how resonance works and what you'd need to destroy "cancer cells" with it? It's not like cancer has a fixed frequency that you can just guess and throw the inverted frequency to destroy it. The frequency we emanate varies on a lot of variables all the time. You would have to not only be able to see exactly where each atom is, but also know where each one is moving to.
I call BS.
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On April 08 2011 18:55 Zerokaiser wrote:
With so much to comment on...
There is no "human cancer virus". Cancer is "the uncontrolled growth of abnormal cells in the body". There is no one things that causes cancer. It is caused by viruses, genetics, and the environment. This is known by every doctor and researcher in the world, and I imagine most educated people.
You can't destroy specific cells with sound. The principle does not carry over from shattering glass like a convenient Star Trek episode.
Silliness the whole way through.
(I wish it were appropriate to report threads like this).
but, but, but, ... , the article says otherwise. SO U LIE! the interwebs are true.
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On April 08 2011 18:58 VIB wrote:
Resonance? Really? Do you understand how resonance works and what you'd need to destroy "cancer cells" with it? It's not like cancer has a fixed frequency that you can just guess and throw the inverted frequency to destroy it. The frequency we emanate varies on a lot of variables all the time. You would have to not only be able to see exactly where each atom is, but also know where each one is moving to.
I call BS.
You're just mad that you didn't think of it first. I'm going to discover the resonance frequency for pandas and dissolve all but 2 of them, cornering the panda market and making myself a bajillionaire.
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I have heard about this before, and find it interesting. Coupled with the fact that in Turkey they have baths with dolphins hampering cancer with the excapt same technique, by identifying the tumor as something bad and then "beam" it with theyre highly advanced sonar. They also do this among themselves.
And also, and more importantly what Jayve says, 500$ insta cure, or 50$ a month for 10 years cure ? Easy math for the big companys, wich also control education, scientific papers and the general proffessional consensus on the matter.
On the other hand, internet is full of bullshit, and cancer is not a virus ( so the spesific article is not on point). Further on, if this technique really does work on tumors, it would definatly work on human beeings and living organisms in general, and more easily that is. Hence the military would long ago have developed "sound-guns" or something similar, although the technique might require long exposure to the given resonance. I dont know.
Still, the dolphin thing is a fact, wich means there might be more to the matter than what i know.
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I wonder how many of you read the article. Maybe I quoted the wrong parts. He is not using sound to cure cancer.
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I'm no expert on biology, but cancer itself is a cell that doesn't stop dividing, not a virus. Some viruses can CAUSE cancer as was said in that article, but there are other causes. Subjecting someone to high amounts of radioactivity gives them cancer without the need for a virus.
That being said I'm a bit skeptical on this frequency business. Viruses are strings of DNA/RNA stuffed into a small container made of.. I don't even remember =P. Point being they're comprised of the same materials as human cells, they just happen to have a DNA/RNA sequence that causes cells to do crazy stuff when it confuses that DNA with the real cell DNA.
The resonant frequency stuff is simply oscillating molecules at the frequency they like to be shaken. Like pushing a swing at the frequency that it likes to swing at. Yes it breaks things apart or heats them up (microwaves oscillate water molecules at one of their resonance frequencies), but if you want to ONLY target one specific virus I don't see how you would do that. It's comprised of DNA which is just a specific sequence of 4 basic building blocks. There's no way to hit a resonance frequency for the virus DNA that doesn't also resonate with cell DNA. It's true that resonance frequencies will get shifted by their surroundings slightly like in NMR, but if NMR can't see viruses then I don't see how that guy in 1920s could do what he claims.
Don't know enough about biology to be convinced, but at the very least I'm sceptical that you can find a resonance frequency that only addresses one particular virus without damaging the surrounding DNA or tissue since there's nothing a virus has that human cells don't. At least as far as my extremely limited biology knowledge goes.
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I tried to read the article but this is actually really really really old.. cancer virus? I can see why they'd thing that back in the day but no this is wrong and you shouldn't quote things from the internet because they're generally wrong
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