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On March 31 2011 03:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this normal enough
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Alright broskis, let's get some things straight.
1.No Spam To paraphrase Ver, to spam is almost as bad as being useless, sometimes even more so. In fact, I will probably be either lynching a "inactive" or a very spammy person. I have no idea how town nearly won last game(Insane mafia.) That game was a shitfest, and seriously analysis was a drop of water in the desert there. You don't need to share every thought you have. Just don't be inactive, and don't post 70x the amount in a LR thread, and you'll be good.
First day Lynch As stated above, the first day lynch is important in a number of ways. One, it sets up the policy throughout the rest of the game. If we commit to lynching either an inactive or a spam-filled person, then we can help get rid of those and get near a true pro town enviroment.
In fact, after having reread the OP, turns out theres a mayor election. Furthormore I love being pardoner, so even 2nd place would be fine for me. Therefore I announce my campaign for Mayor!
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Hasn't everyone received their PM roles? I thought day 1 started T_T. Oh well...
Since I don't want this to be a spam post, might as well help with some general advice: Things to look out for for mafia: 1.Contributing without really contributing-People who either repeat stuff that other people say and/or post alot of stuff without having any content in it. 2.Inactives This is really tricky since oftentimes both town AND mafia love to do this. Town because of RL reasons or they're just bored, and mafia because it means they can get away with giving as little info as possible. This is why we MUST get that pro town atmosphere up. Post like this, and everyone will be happy.
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Wtf why everyone be hatin'?
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Actually electing Proctat is by far the best move we could do.
Think about it: 1.He's not mafia. We know this for a fact. We know that if he fails to either "rolecheck someone" or kill someone extra, then we lynch him. Furthormore, any of the other canidates we DONT KNOW if they ARE mafia. Personally I would prefer not having such a powerful mayor role, but if I had to give it to anyone, it would be proctat. And here is why he would not be anti town:
a.)His goal is to kill assasins. This means that he will be going after the scum-esque people, since assasins and mafia will act at least noticably alike in this game, given that they are both hostile to town. At the very least he will be killing the anti town. b.) He will provide us will role checks. c.) HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. Here is what I say: Proctat reveal who the two bodyguards are. Given that the OP says that two townies will be chosen, then we can have two confirmed townies. And obviously we know that the Assasins will be gunning for him.
And Proctat is like "Wtf, I don't want to reveal my body guards."
But this is the PANDAIN PLAN
1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.
Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.
Furthormore I announce my campaign for Mayor Pardoner.
Why I should be pardoner:
I'm a dt. There. Now you guys have to make me it or I diez.... By having such an important blue role be so safe, we can gurantee that I shall help you guys. And if I don't give a true role check, you guys can lynch me.
Was this a douche move? Yes. Is it worth it for me? Also yes.
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On April 11 2011 04:59 Jackal58 wrote: Ya we need a pardoner that says "Whats up Broskis" twice and then gets modkilled like we need scum as mayor.
Damn straight. As Pardoner I will go with my gut. Following a lynch, I shall delve into a hardcore analysis(and my analysis are well known for being thought out) and truly decide whether he is worth lynching.
As a Panda Warrior I shall follow the mayor, but not obey him. I shall look up to him, but not be him.
I shall be free. Vote for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On April 11 2011 05:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: LOL and he wants protact to reveal the bodyguards
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Why is this a bad idea? How about you stop being a douche and instead debate my ideas?
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On April 11 2011 05:06 Coagulation wrote: Protactinium Its fucking simple. you have a DIFFERENT OBJECTIVE then town. What the fuck is so hard about that to wrap your head around. There are a million fucking ways town can be fucked by you if you decide to play for your win condition. Sorry im not buying it you can put me on your little OMGUS list all you want.
How? We won't let him fuck town. He's aiming to kill assassins. So are we(we need to lower the total kp in this game.) He's role checking suspicious people, and sharing with town. That's exactly what we want to do.
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On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: But this is the PANDAIN PLAN
1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.
Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.
Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed.
The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day.
This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition.
Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town.
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On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote: WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM
We're aiming to kill both.
Why? Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths.
If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about.
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On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote:On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin listGmarshal tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?" I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group. Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not. i already explained why i think kavdragon is mafia and mib tknted as assassin is a gut read, of course i dont have neough information to make a serious case Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:10 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: But this is the PANDAIN PLAN
1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.
Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.
Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed. The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day. This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition. Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town. we have no reason to care about protacts win condition this ties down the watcher and forces them to be part of the assassin game instead of using their pwoer for scumhunting am i insane? am i the only person here that thinks we should focus our effort on catching mafia and not dealing with assassin bullshit? this whole thing has gotten out of hand and now you fucking blue claimed which is absolutely retarded. game ruined day 1 because tl town can't stop shitting the bed when there is any sort of weird mechanic/third party it's all we talk about
We don't have reason to care about Proctat's win condition except for the fact that by helping him, he will help us. It's a win-win situation if he gets elected as mayor.
And are you really saying that the watcher is a "scum hunting" role. The only way he might be able to help is if he visits the person who dies. I think that helping to confirm two townies is by FAR a better use of a watcher.
Furthormore we are talking about who should be mayor. Day 1 mafia hunting is going to often be wrong, and you out of all people should know that. The most important thing(considering its hardly been a day since its started) right now is saying who should be mayor, especially since he decides the lynch.
On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote: WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM We're aiming to kill both. Why? Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths. If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
What happened to the "oh let's not argue. I won't comment on your plan at all because its wrong." Its undeinable that having one less 3rd party is better for town. It's undeniable that its better to have less anti town people in the game.
On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote: Why are people fucking not understanding this?
I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.
pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11??
Broski are you really saying that coag and you are the duo or reason in this game?
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On April 11 2011 05:22 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:13 chaoser wrote:On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: But this is the PANDAIN PLAN
1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.
Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.
Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed. Sup Trancestorm, nice to know you've been lurking and reading all of the stuff but saying nothing about it. What do you think about Prot's campaign? Kita? DrH? Hey, I just got on the thread and read all the stuff, and Pandian's points were the first I had something to respond to. Personally, as I said earlier, I feel uneasy about Prot's campaign because of his potential for swapping allegiances later in the game. The other candidate's I don't have any clear reads on since there is absolutely no and since we can't confirm anything. I'm inclined to believe that Pandian is the detective from my personal gut feeling from his original post though, even though I don't think his idea to reveal himself was all the great for the town.
Please explain. As I see right now, Proctat's only allegience is to himself.
But we also hold him by the strings: We can lynch him if he tries to go against us. Right now Proctat will be: 1.Sharing dt results. 2.Giving vital information and using his experience to help lynch correctly. 3.Confirm the two bodyguards.
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Also wtf is with this bias against me? Seriously? I'm a good analyzer. When I'm not goofing off, I get shit down. Shit gets real when Pandain's in the house.
I survived Insane Mafia 1 through constant suspicion and poking. I nailed LSB/RoL in Team melee mafia.
When the fuck have I even ever been elected?
Right now I have claimed DT, you can either let me die or do the only sensible thing and vote me and Proctact into office.
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On April 11 2011 05:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:19 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote:On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin listGmarshal tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?" I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group. Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not. i already explained why i think kavdragon is mafia and mib tknted as assassin is a gut read, of course i dont have neough information to make a serious case On April 11 2011 05:10 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: But this is the PANDAIN PLAN
1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.
Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.
Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed. The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day. This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition. Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town. we have no reason to care about protacts win condition this ties down the watcher and forces them to be part of the assassin game instead of using their pwoer for scumhunting am i insane? am i the only person here that thinks we should focus our effort on catching mafia and not dealing with assassin bullshit? this whole thing has gotten out of hand and now you fucking blue claimed which is absolutely retarded. game ruined day 1 because tl town can't stop shitting the bed when there is any sort of weird mechanic/third party it's all we talk about We don't have reason to care about Proctat's win condition except for the fact that by helping him, he will help us. It's a win-win situation if he gets elected as mayor. And are you really saying that the watcher is a "scum hunting" role. The only way he might be able to help is if he visits the person who dies. I think that helping to confirm two townies is by FAR a better use of a watcher. Furthormore we are talking about who should be mayor. Day 1 mafia hunting is going to often be wrong, and you out of all people should know that. The most important thing(considering its hardly been a day since its started) right now is saying who should be mayor, especially since he decides the lynch. On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote: WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM We're aiming to kill both. Why? Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths. If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong What happened to the "oh let's not argue. I won't comment on your plan at all because its wrong." Its undeinable that having one less 3rd party is better for town. It's undeniable that its better to have less anti town people in the game. On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote: Why are people fucking not understanding this?
I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.
pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? Broski are you really saying that coag and you are the duo or reason in this game? lol how is the watcher not a scumhunting role, the point of the watcher is that you visit someone who died that night and that's a pretty good power. using it to keep bodyguards alive to protect an assassin we have no reason to care about is utterly retarded if we elect protact this game will become about the assassins game. let him die, he's worthless, vote for the mayor you feel is most town-like and focus on drawing scum out/provoking them and knocking them down later.
Watcher hardly does anything except in the instance of a plan. He doesn't get a guranteed result(unlike DT, who always gets a result. Watcher only does if someone visits that person. Even if someone did visit that person, unless they died they can't just say "oh someone visited him" because it might be a blue. [/b] Proctact will give us DT results. Protact will help get rid of assasins. Note that just electing Proctact doesn't mean that the only thing we care about is assasins. Maybe that's what he will think about, but not us. We still can outvote him by far. Also note that as Pardoner(and blue) I can counteract him.
Voting Proctact will give us the most results and benefits, and at the very least we know that a mafia isn't in the hands of such a powerful role.
On April 11 2011 05:28 redFF wrote: I see no reason for any mayor or pardoner to ever reveal the 2 bodyguards. Ever.
People need to stop saying things without any evidence(cough cough Dr. H). We get two confirmed townies, and can watch to see if mafia/assasins try to hit them. Then we lynch those people.
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On April 11 2011 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so that we can indefinitely protect the third party assassin and waste our time talking about him while the scum manipulate us duh
are you scum redFF? that's the only reason you wouldn't think it's a good idea
So we can protect someone who will give us: 1.DT results. 2.Dt results again(me) 3.Valuable scum hunting ability.
Furthermore for the love of god why don't you start talking about who's mafia? Personally anyone who says they have a strong read day 1 is pretty dumb, given its day 1!
What's more important than deciding the mayor right now? Especially if he could be an assassin!
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No I'm not going to stop until someone either actually debates my points or concedes. Because I've already gone all in and roleclaimed, so I'm not stopping now.
I love you chaoser, and we're SFA's for eva, but I'm right this time and I know it.
Finally, I've realized that anyone who doesn't elect me is most like anti town(since mafia want me to be out in the open, and what town would not protect me).
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It doesn't matter if I claim DT because I'm not going to die(I haz da bodyguards.) And if mafia try to shoot them, then we can lynch them.
And if bodyguards do die(after at least a couple days), then we shall have not only a couple mafia/assassins dead but medics can protect me now.
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On April 11 2011 05:38 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:24 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:22 TranceStorm wrote:On April 11 2011 05:13 chaoser wrote:On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: But this is the PANDAIN PLAN
1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.
Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.
Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed. Sup Trancestorm, nice to know you've been lurking and reading all of the stuff but saying nothing about it. What do you think about Prot's campaign? Kita? DrH? Hey, I just got on the thread and read all the stuff, and Pandian's points were the first I had something to respond to. Personally, as I said earlier, I feel uneasy about Prot's campaign because of his potential for swapping allegiances later in the game. The other candidate's I don't have any clear reads on since there is absolutely no and since we can't confirm anything. I'm inclined to believe that Pandian is the detective from my personal gut feeling from his original post though, even though I don't think his idea to reveal himself was all the great for the town. Please explain. As I see right now, Proctat's only allegience is to himself. But we also hold him by the strings: We can lynch him if he tries to go against us. Right now Proctat will be: 1.Sharing dt results. 2.Giving vital information and using his experience to help lynch correctly. 3.Confirm the two bodyguards. I explained in a post that I made much earlier that Prot has the potential to change his allegiance at any time. At moments when the mafia/town counts become more even, Prot could throw his weight behind an assassin suspect rather than a mafia suspect in hopes of winning the game immediately. None of this will happen in the first few days of course, but the fact that it could happen combined with the fact that he can kill without repercussion (or recognition) makes me uneasy about electing him. Electing a pro-town candidate will guarantee that the elected officials are constantly hunting for mafia rather than looking to further their own win-condition.
This is a decent point, but is easily swept aside. In that scenario, lynching an assasin will not be game over(we will not have lynched town.) Furthormore, Proctact WILL have reprucussions if he goes against the will of the town(we'll lynch him.)
Procact is pro town in the regards that he will give us benefits, and we are certain he is not mafia. And in the end that's what we want out of a mayor.
On April 11 2011 05:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:26 Pandain wrote: Also wtf is with this bias against me? Seriously? I'm a good analyzer. When I'm not goofing off, I get shit down. Shit gets real when Pandain's in the house.
I survived Insane Mafia 1 through constant suspicion and poking. Why are you using a game where you were godfather to convince people we should elect you. Are you serious? -_- Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:32 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so that we can indefinitely protect the third party assassin and waste our time talking about him while the scum manipulate us duh
are you scum redFF? that's the only reason you wouldn't think it's a good idea So we can protect someone who will give us: 1.DT results. 2.Dt results again(me) 3.Valuable scum hunting ability. Furthermore for the love of god why don't you start talking about who's mafia? Personally anyone who says they have a strong read day 1 is pretty dumb, given its day 1! What's more important than deciding the mayor right now? Especially if he could be an assassin! The fact that you are discouraging day one scum hunting concerns me. Even if it is unlikely to catch a day one lynch, doesn't mean we shouldn't pressure. Right when protract achieves his win condition, he is removed from the game....do we really want to have our mayor disappear mid-game?
I'm using that to get rid of the notion that I'm somehow retarded. Everything I do is well thought out, I'm not a new player, and I know this game.
On April 11 2011 05:40 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +And if bodyguards do die(after at least a couple days), then we shall have not only a couple mafia/assassins dead but medics can protect me now. So you want to become mayor, put our BGs in danger, and if they die, tie up our medics to protect you. Yeah...ok
First off, don't edit. Second off, I expected this kind of bullshit from others. I didn't expect it from you. How can anyone say that having two mafia(from being watched) dead is NOT worth having two townies dead?
And how can you say that having medics protect a DT is bad?
On April 11 2011 05:46 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:40 chaoser wrote:And if bodyguards do die(after at least a couple days), then we shall have not only a couple mafia/assassins dead but medics can protect me now. No comment. Can we just lynch pandain day 1 like we always joke we will? You know I was seriously considering that... right now he seems like a liability to the town, his claim seems dubious to me, I actually fear he could just be a vanilla townie claiming DT for shits and giggles. However its most likely a waste, the mafia will take care of him (unless he is the gf, in which case we lynch him day 2 ^_^) I also think that using the BG's as bait is retarded, especialy considering that if you put a watcher on the the bg, he is going to see the other watchers, any stray medics, and any assassins/mafia hitting them. congrats, the watcher now has to give out a list containing quite a few blue roles to get a single scum, wonderful, glad its such a well thought out plan.
1.In the HIGHLY unlikely scenario that there is a 2nd watcher, it means that: a)We shall still have caught a mafia.
Furthormore, no medics are going to be protecting those people, as that would ruin the plan. And we want to watch assasins/mafia hitting them. That's the point. So no blue roles besides maybe one watcher will go out, and even that's unlikely. And if mafia have to spend a whole kp just to try and hit proctact/I(and still not be able to) that's great.
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The point is that the threat is there. I've already mentioned that.
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