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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
March 12 2011 11:18 GMT
#1

The proof is in the pudding.

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=41088
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DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
March 12 2011 11:20 GMT
#2
I feel this post could have needed a bit more explanation
BW for life !
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:21:45
March 12 2011 11:21 GMT
#3
Didn't see the rep but what is your point? It seems the thread title isn't even complete :s
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2112 Posts
March 12 2011 11:22 GMT
#4
Oh no, the roof is in the pudding!
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:27:44
March 12 2011 11:27 GMT
#5
Replay proof, that this particular b.o. was perfectly necessary...

A pure counter to what the terran did, and was 2x gas trick.
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NapKiN16
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada95 Posts
March 12 2011 11:30 GMT
#6
I love how u think because u beat an 8rax that your build is now superior to anything thrown at you. Any good terran going 1rax CC will absolutely destroy you.
ForGotteNNapKiN NapKiN[AoV]
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:36:48
March 12 2011 11:32 GMT
#7
On March 12 2011 20:30 NapKiN16 wrote:
I love how u think because u beat an 8rax that your build is now superior to anything thrown at you. Any good terran going 1rax CC will absolutely destroy you.


Not at all...

Zerg get 2 gas early because they are capable of actually spending their gas as opposed to terran.

Gas = Power

However... as far as minerals spent on army that has the most power in regards to least amount of gas spending...

Terran Infantry takes the cake.
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NapKiN16
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada95 Posts
March 12 2011 11:34 GMT
#8
LoL? I can spend my gas easily on 2 base... It is called tanks and vessels, What do you have on 2 gas that can actually beat me before i mass up enough units with my superior economy to beat you?
ForGotteNNapKiN NapKiN[AoV]
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
March 12 2011 11:36 GMT
#9

you fast expand and expect to spend gas effectively on VESSELS in a reasonable amount of time??

I will have, not only lurkers earlier...

But a MASS of lurkers earlier.
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NapKiN16
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada95 Posts
March 12 2011 11:37 GMT
#10
Actually I can outmacro and out micro any of the lurkers you decide to send at me, and with my superior economy, I can afford to lose units unlike you.
ForGotteNNapKiN NapKiN[AoV]
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:43:32
March 12 2011 11:41 GMT
#11
No, not because you're economy is better, but because you are terran, and have the most powerful mineral dominant, gas minimal, force in the game. (Infantry)

The scale of power between mutalisks and infantry is off...

And, let's be realistic, the lurker is truly the only unit in the game that doesn't have an attack while mobile. Like your convenient tank.
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NapKiN16
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada95 Posts
March 12 2011 11:42 GMT
#12
LOL? so now you are saying that terran is overpowered... what a joke, the reason actually is because my economy is far superior to yours, not because my race is the "most powerful mineral dominatnt, gas minimial force in the game" as you say.
ForGotteNNapKiN NapKiN[AoV]
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:48:25
March 12 2011 11:46 GMT
#13
The scale of power between my

1000 gas army whether it is lurker or mutalisk, compared to the power of your minimal gas army is a bit off.

Zerg desires to go muta because muta are mobile...

But then again, zerg desires to go lurker because it counters marine medic...

But then doesn't have an attack while mobile.

It's like a paradox of confliction.

It just means that the ultralisk is what zerg almost always strives for in zvt...going high gas off 2 base and in to ultralisk.

You have the mobility... but still have somewhat of a counter to infantry.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
NapKiN16
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada95 Posts
March 12 2011 11:48 GMT
#14
No the only paradox is going for your double gas trick and thinking you are actually going to win a long macro game. It actually confounds me how you actually believe that build is viable at all in a game that lasts over 10 minutes.
ForGotteNNapKiN NapKiN[AoV]
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:51:25
March 12 2011 11:49 GMT
#15
He was across the map from me and I still got lings off barely in the nick of time.

How could it ever NOT be viable?
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
NapKiN16
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada95 Posts
March 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#16
Because he didn't go for a normal build, he went for an 8rax, do you even realize the diffrence between the builds I am talking about? Sure you can stop any cheese sent your way, congratulations, try using it against a build that isn't meant to cheese you, and you lose always, there is no way ur economy can keep up with someone who doesn't try to kill you in the first 3 minutes of the game
ForGotteNNapKiN NapKiN[AoV]
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
March 12 2011 11:51 GMT
#17
"I don't agree with the balance"

ROFL
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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
March 12 2011 11:52 GMT
#18

Economic recovery is the heart and soul of zerg mechanics, get real man.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
NapKiN16
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada95 Posts
March 12 2011 11:53 GMT
#19
On March 12 2011 20:52 AtlasMech wrote:

Economic recovery is the heart and soul of zerg mechanics, get real man.




What does that even mean? You say one line and expect people to make sense of it when it actually makes no sense at all.
ForGotteNNapKiN NapKiN[AoV]
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
March 12 2011 11:56 GMT
#20

:facepalm: I give up on trying to explain things to non zerg players.
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