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Base Camera Inject. Queen melt down, SOLVED

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ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 01:52:02
March 07 2011 03:28 GMT
#1
***************** This was patched on Patch 1.3.1, sorry for the disappointment. *****************


If you are familiar with the backspace inject method, you are familiar then with having the off chance that your queens will run around the map do to accidentally clicking a hatchery without a queen beside it. Having included a new button in the cycles I have came across fixing this issue.

If you are not familiar with the Backspace inject method please check it out here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125725,

How it happened:
While messing around with hotkeys, I have discovered that the Follow Current Selection overrides the base camera.

What is its purpose? :
With the follow current selection hotkey activated it will allow you to cycle with the base camera zoning on your queens. This means that when cycling it wont bring the camera to your hatchery, it will bring it to the closest queen in the control group preventing accidental clicks.

How to change hotkeys:
You can change Follow current selection and other hotkeys by going to option> hotkeys> global>camera, It will be the second down from the base camera

Notes:
Its important to keep in mind this works by activating follow current selection before cycling.
Shift must be held until the end of cycle. (unless you prefer to keep hitting the inject button (slower))

Set up:
I have included follow current selection in my cycles as shift+e, and q as an alternate.
I use w as base cameras and e as inject, with all queens on 4.

Execution:
I will tap 4, then e, then shift+e (hold shift until end of cycle), I will then cycle with w and inject hatcheries by clicking them.

Conclusion:
This works because following the current selection will activate your control group as a priority rather then zoning in on a hatchery when you cycle.
This can be done effectively fast, you just need to have the right tempo.

Try it !, You have my word, practice makes perfect.

I apologize for the quickness in my post pre-edit, i was in a hurry, and also excited.

To re cap:

1) Go to the Hotkeys tab, and set "Follow Current Selection" to something.
2) Select queen hotkey group
3) Press Inject hotkey
4) Press Shift+ inject hotkey
5) Use the base camera to cycle the hatcheries and click to inject.(keep holding shift)
6) If you pan away it will automatically dis-activate follow current selection.

If you find it dosent and want to do it for yourself, you can set a alternate hot key to a spot you prefer. I prefer Q


MrBitter has kindly made a video explaining this method, Major props to him for bringing this to the limelight, and taking the time to make this video.




If you liked this post and are interested in the unexplored hotkey combinations and different toggles check out some more of my ideas to make our mechanics better:

Creep Spread Idea:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=198024

EDIT:

On March 08 2011 10:01 ChefStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 02:16 dvide wrote:
On March 07 2011 12:28 ChefStarCraft wrote:
It works by pressing shift+inject button (don't hold shift), inject button, then hold shift, cycle using base camera and inject like normal.

This will activate it and make it so you don't even have to practice a new button in your cycles.

I believe you'd be better off pressing the inject button first, hold shift, inject button again, then cycle through bases. This way you don't have to let go of shift and repress it. Minor perhaps but it's the same result and mechanically easier to perform.


Nice idea !, I will try it thank you

If it works I will edit,


It works by pressing inject button, shift+inject button, then hold shift, cycle using base camera and inject like normal. Differing form the backspace method by taping inject twice, once on its own, then tap shit+inject to toggle follow current selection, your activating it with buttons you we're going to press anyway with the backspace method.

This set up will make it so you don't even have to practice a new button in your backspace cycles.
Just a extra tap. Since this is so easy, I don't see why someone wouldn't do this, especially if they are already backspace injecting.

This is a very friendly and forgiving way to add this key, I actually don't know why you wouldn't do this. It makes it so its very easy to get used too, you will learn even faster if your used to backspace injecting already.

Closing:
The original creator of the backspace method is roark, you can find his thread at the top of the page. I only fixed it. In fact I love this guy for creating it, its helped my play so much, and inspired me to have my own style centered around the base camera and hotkeys.

The way i like to play is setting all my queens on one hotkey(4), and move around my bases with my backspace key (w). I move around with w even when I'm not injecting, to make drones, geysers, send drones to geysers, making a queen, shift+adding a queen to a control group. shift+adding a hatchery to a control group. even when i don't inject this is my main source of mobility.

If any hatchery at any point needs my attention i will mini map click it, and the shift+back mouse button the camera location, saving it for a brief moment, i will then reset it to creep spreading once the harass/attack/ scout ect. is dealt with.

It is ideal to do this whole method once you have 3-4 hatcheries at that point you will profit by doing them faster, shaving off seconds of your play at a time. Seconds can quickly add up to a minute, two minutes, ect.

With that small perk in mind, its always best to play with what your personal preference is, but that dosent make any other method wrong, or right.

I enjoy friendly people, and still want more practice partners, my friends list is full but if I like you theres always space, Chef on N/A Code:420



***************** This was patched on Patch 1.3.1, sorry for the disappointment. *****************
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
March 07 2011 03:30 GMT
#2
i was under the impression that if you had a control group with 3 queens or wahtever and you spawned larva on a hatch the closest one was picked to do it anyway? unless i'm misreading what it is you are trying to explain
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ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:38:26
March 07 2011 03:34 GMT
#3
On March 07 2011 12:30 RyanRushia wrote:
i was under the impression that if you had a control group with 3 queens or wahtever and you spawned larva on a hatch the closest one was picked to do it anyway? unless i'm misreading what it is you are trying to explain



Let me try and explain better,

It makes it so you don't zone on top of the hatcheries when using the base camera, it makes it so you zone in on top of the queens with your base camera, in your control group, preventing miss clicking a hatchery without a queen beside it.


Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
err
Profile Joined July 2010
54 Posts
March 07 2011 03:40 GMT
#4
Hot damn! Pack it up boys! Zerg can finally compete!
OwlFeet
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:41:53
March 07 2011 03:40 GMT
#5
sounds good, a little hard to follow since the OP is written like a spam email.
On March 07 2011 12:28 ChefStarCraft wrote:
HUGE NEWS !

...

This is 100% accurate and fast.

...
All you need to do is include

...

Try it !, You have my word.

doomed
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia420 Posts
March 07 2011 03:41 GMT
#6
I like it.. the queen wandering was the reason I did not use that technique before... but have my queens on 4-5-6-etc but i might try this again...
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:44:06
March 07 2011 03:43 GMT
#7
On March 07 2011 12:40 OwlFeet wrote:
sounds good, a little hard to follow since the OP is written like a spam email.
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 12:28 ChefStarCraft wrote:
HUGE NEWS !

...

This is 100% accurate and fast.

...
All you need to do is include

...

Try it !, You have my word.




I dint have trouble understanding this when writing it.

If your complaining about my delivery, please keep it to yourself

I will make a effort to clean it up
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
Musketeer
Profile Joined August 2010
142 Posts
March 07 2011 03:49 GMT
#8
I don't see how this is easier than just looking at your screen and not injecting bases with no queens. The order which the hatches cycle through is the same every time, so there's nothing to worry about, is there?
WhyNoManner
Profile Joined March 2011
13 Posts
March 07 2011 03:49 GMT
#9
How do i "turn on follow unit selection"

its really hard to follow your post but judging by the OMG BIGS NEWS... id like to try it

do you mean that control shift F thing where the camera follows? I presume thats what u mean.

tickle me fancy
Humbled by Dirt
theBlues
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
El Salvador638 Posts
March 07 2011 04:04 GMT
#10
The command is actually called, follow selection or something of the sort, it is in the camera hotkeys and basically what it does is it scrolls automatically on the unit you selected, not sure how this improves the injects but Im going to try it...
Change a vote, and change the world
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 04:09:50
March 07 2011 04:09 GMT
#11
On March 07 2011 13:04 TheBlueMeaner wrote:
The command is actually called, follow selection or something of the sort, it is in the camera hotkeys and basically what it does is it scrolls automatically on the unit you selected, not sure how this improves the injects but Im going to try it...



It prevents queen melt downs by following the queens when hitting the base camera, rather then following the hatcheries with the base camera.
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
hazz.
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom83 Posts
March 07 2011 04:10 GMT
#12
What is a queen meltdown...
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
March 07 2011 04:11 GMT
#13
Is larva injecting this difficult that people are modifying hotkeys and coming up with complex systems to do it?
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ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
March 07 2011 04:12 GMT
#14
On March 07 2011 13:10 hazz. wrote:
What is a queen meltdown...


I you are familiar with the backspace inject method then you are familiar with having the off chance that your queens will run around the map, because you accidentally click a hatchery without a queen beside it.

Please read the whole post, It has been cleaned up.

I am sorry again for sloppiness
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
telfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States415 Posts
March 07 2011 04:12 GMT
#15
I still really don't understand what you're trying to say. How is this going to stop you from misclicking and failing to realize it?
WhyNoManner
Profile Joined March 2011
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 04:19:43
March 07 2011 04:14 GMT
#16
On March 07 2011 13:11 Chill wrote:
Is larva injecting this difficult that people are modifying hotkeys and coming up with complex systems to do it?



Yeah, being efficient and slightly modifying something to be even more efficient with 1 key press is worth inferring reduced mental capacities. Or are you suggesting that Injectings is a very easy mechanics that everyone does perfectly already and theres no point looking into mechanics with more detail?

Stick to casting

User was warned for this post
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 07 2011 04:17 GMT
#17
Are you trying to say not to use backspace, but the follow unit camera button instead?
starleague forever
grumpyone
Profile Joined January 2011
48 Posts
March 07 2011 04:17 GMT
#18
Thanks. I had gone away from the queen hotkey/cycle approach because of the runaway queen issue. I'll try this out in some games and see how it feels.
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
March 07 2011 04:17 GMT
#19
On March 07 2011 13:11 Chill wrote:
Is larva injecting this difficult that people are modifying hotkeys and coming up with complex systems to do it?



If you are not familiar with the Backspace inject method please check it out here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125725,
and refrain from commenting until so.
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
March 07 2011 04:19 GMT
#20
On March 07 2011 13:17 a176 wrote:
Are you trying to say not to use backspace, but the follow unit camera button instead?


No you still use the base camera, its just used to center on top of the queens rather then the hatcheries, because the follow current selection enables that.
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
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