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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 05:20:29
April 05 2011 04:42 GMT
#241
modifications incoming! video will be up soon again!
TylerDurden275
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada86 Posts
April 05 2011 04:54 GMT
#242
ok soo i jsut spent about half an hour trying to figure out why this worked for everyone and not me should of read the last posts lol
Hoku
Profile Joined September 2010
United States129 Posts
April 05 2011 05:01 GMT
#243
This thread just won me 2 ladder games in a row (I feel).

Thank you!
I put my pants on two legs at a time.
Sinnick
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2 Posts
April 05 2011 07:36 GMT
#244
anyone know of any more convenient methods? the alternate method sounds a little tedious so far as i can tell, no?
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 08:28:13
April 05 2011 08:22 GMT
#245
On April 05 2011 12:40 ChefStarCraft wrote:

In my play I really can't see this being any different.
This is just achieving the same method as base camera with just pressing more buttons and taking the time to assign hotkeys.

The main problem with the back space method is when something has killed your queen.
This camera location idea will put you in the same spot with queens running around.

It does solve the queens running around if a new hatch just has popped and you haven't made a queen yet, but thats not a big enough reason for me to start using it this way. Imo the time to make the hotkeys and manage them inst worth the effort compared to the backspace method.

When injecting with the base camera the newest hatch created will be the last hatchery to be centered on. Thats all i need to know.



Alas it just is not consistent enough for me, and I always have the meltdown problem when I have 1 queenless hatch. You should consider also that if you stay on top of your injections you should not need more than 3-4 queens lategame, whereas it's common to have 6+ hatcheries past a certain point (because you should not have more than 3-4 mining bases, having 6 queens is a waste).

I think the effort and exta clicks that my method requires are comparable to checking whether the hatch you are clicking has a queen. Also it's easy to associate mentally each hatchery with a number, so if one queen gets killed you can easily skip that number for a couple cycles until your new queen spawns, and you can use the camera hotkeys for other means as well (e.g. I keep my tech in my main, so I can tap alt+1 to check progress on my evolution chambers etc). It's basically like using an individual hotkey for each queen without the discomfort of using the 7-9 hotkeys.

Glad to see other people have found it helpful and looking forward to the video!
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 20:42:46
April 05 2011 08:35 GMT
#246
I first show 5 bases that have not been injected. Then I move to my first base and select my queens and start injecting. When I am done I cycle through the 5 bases to show that they have been injected. It might seem like I am skipping a base because you cannot clearly see me moving through each one, but this is not due to the low quality of the video. Okay, maybe a little. But I assure you that it is that fast and I actually don't even have to look at my screen after I make that first inject.
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
April 05 2011 08:42 GMT
#247
golgotha, mind if I ask you what you use for camera hotkeys? have you found a way to comfortably use more than 4-5 cameras?
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 05 2011 08:44 GMT
#248
Yeah I have ^^ here I will screen shot my hotkey setup! brb
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 09:03:33
April 05 2011 09:01 GMT
#249
On April 05 2011 17:22 dementrio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 12:40 ChefStarCraft wrote:

In my play I really can't see this being any different.
This is just achieving the same method as base camera with just pressing more buttons and taking the time to assign hotkeys.

The main problem with the back space method is when something has killed your queen.
This camera location idea will put you in the same spot with queens running around.

It does solve the queens running around if a new hatch just has popped and you haven't made a queen yet, but thats not a big enough reason for me to start using it this way. Imo the time to make the hotkeys and manage them inst worth the effort compared to the backspace method.

When injecting with the base camera the newest hatch created will be the last hatchery to be centered on. Thats all i need to know.



Alas it just is not consistent enough for me, and I always have the meltdown problem when I have 1 queenless hatch. You should consider also that if you stay on top of your injections you should not need more than 3-4 queens lategame, whereas it's common to have 6+ hatcheries past a certain point (because you should not have more than 3-4 mining bases, having 6 queens is a waste).

I think the effort and exta clicks that my method requires are comparable to checking whether the hatch you are clicking has a queen. Also it's easy to associate mentally each hatchery with a number, so if one queen gets killed you can easily skip that number for a couple cycles until your new queen spawns, and you can use the camera hotkeys for other means as well (e.g. I keep my tech in my main, so I can tap alt+1 to check progress on my evolution chambers etc). It's basically like using an individual hotkey for each queen without the discomfort of using the 7-9 hotkeys.

Glad to see other people have found it helpful and looking forward to the video!



Its a nice idea don't get me wrong. I just don't like it because it takes allot more time to set up then it would of if i pressed s after a cycle.

I will be giving this allot more time and thought though.
A big thing that I think will help is instead of using SHIFT+ALT+1-5 to Jump To Location,
SHIFT+Q-Y assigned to this will perform the same thing. Without pressing ALT and disturbing the shift commands with control groups.

A small idea is to change your control group hotkey for queens to Q then have Inject larva changed to W and the Jump to location keys changed to E-Y
Doing this with Q as inject and a number as the queen control group is a thought too.
(I will be doing this but with W still as base camera to make the locations faster.))
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 09:16:13
April 05 2011 09:08 GMT
#250
jump to location is alt+1-5. Shift is held to press V only once. For a while I tried using QWERTY/ASDF for the camera hotkeys, but I found that it's mnemonically easier to use the numbers.
The setup time is just setting the camera location once for each hatchery, it's maybe 10 seconds total in the course of a game. Try it and I think you'll find checking for the queen is more maintenance


[image loading] V for Inject
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 09:17:52
April 05 2011 09:13 GMT
#251
On April 05 2011 18:08 dementrio wrote:
jump to location is alt+1-5. Shift is hold to press V only once. For a while I tried using QWERTY/ASDF for the camera hotkeys, but I found that it's easier mnemonically to use the numbers.
The setup time is just setting the camera location once for each hatchery, it's maybe 10 seconds total in the course of a game. Try it and I think you'll find checking for the queen is more maintenance


[image loading] V for Inject


I hear you bro but you don't understand what I'm saying.

Your pressing Alt for no reason. The Shift command with the injections is already being pressed.

Why would you assign the jump to locations keys as ALT, when your already going to be pressing SHIFT ?

Its achieving the same thing without pressing a extra button.

The Alt Is only used so you don't disturb the control groups behavior. (This can be changed).
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 05 2011 09:18 GMT
#252
i think i'm getting too old -,.-

55v66v is good enough for me. i just make extra hatch to compensate for lack of perfect injects.

i dont think this is game deciding factor but i guess its about saving all the weight possible for 1/10 of a second off the lap time.

i hope more different tricks will come up in the future
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 09:38:24
April 05 2011 09:19 GMT
#253
double post my apologies
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 09:23:51
April 05 2011 09:23 GMT
#254
On April 05 2011 18:18 jinorazi wrote:
i think i'm getting too old -,.-

55v66v is good enough for me. i just make extra hatch to compensate for lack of perfect injects.

i dont think this is game deciding factor but i guess its about saving all the weight possible for 1/10 of a second off the lap time.

i hope more different tricks will come up in the future


aww please do not say you are old. It is very simple in actuality. It is just difficult for people to understand the power of this idea because it is very different and new.

To be honest I kinda hate this method because it makes the game so damn easy. I would always be using 66, 55, 44 to inject but now I have too much free time to dance my zerglings.

Did the video not clearly show the speed? Hmmm I need a better computer...
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
April 05 2011 09:30 GMT
#255
golgotha, we are using very similar methods except I didnt want to mess with the add to control group hotkeys because I use them a lot. Also to chefstarcraft, my concern with using shift+x is that I'm afraid it may mess up things, e.g. if I use shift+QWERTY for my locations, will my queens queue up a burrow when i hit shift+R? or will I unable to queue up burrow with other units? although there may be enough keys not assigned to unit abilities on the left side of the keyboard, will check that out.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 09:35:34
April 05 2011 09:33 GMT
#256
hey does it not seem fast in the video? hmmm well i thought it was good. u gave me the idea to use all queens on one hotkey. initially i was doing standard injections with multiple camera locations. you sped me up quite a bit. a second perhaps (which is a lot).
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
April 05 2011 09:43 GMT
#257
On April 05 2011 18:30 dementrio wrote:
golgotha, we are using very similar methods except I didnt want to mess with the add to control group hotkeys because I use them a lot. Also to chefstarcraft, my concern with using shift+x is that I'm afraid it may mess up things, e.g. if I use shift+QWERTY for my locations, will my queens queue up a burrow when i hit shift+R? or will I unable to queue up burrow with other units? although there may be enough keys not assigned to unit abilities on the left side of the keyboard, will check that out.


You can change the burrow hotkeys, Anything assigned to keys that are jump to camera location keys may inter-fear with shift commands.
When using Shit+qwerty or any letter, you would be changing everything that inter-fears.

I also have conflict because I like the shift+1-0 as add to control group.
This was my solution.
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
April 05 2011 09:44 GMT
#258
it is fast, as I said its almost as fast as the backspace method and when you don't have to check and see if there is a queen it's faster imo. From the video it seemed you had found a revolutionary way to use 6+ camera hotkeys, but it turns out we are using very similar setups and you gain an edge with some clever tricks ^^. Thanks for the tips and happy injecting!
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 05 2011 10:41 GMT
#259
On April 05 2011 18:44 dementrio wrote:
it is fast, as I said its almost as fast as the backspace method and when you don't have to check and see if there is a queen it's faster imo. From the video it seemed you had found a revolutionary way to use 6+ camera hotkeys, but it turns out we are using very similar setups and you gain an edge with some clever tricks ^^. Thanks for the tips and happy injecting!


you too! good luck!
HTODethklok
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
April 05 2011 18:01 GMT
#260
I like the camera hotkeys! I just set mine up in unit tester to get the feel for it. What I came up with was setting my create location to crtl + F1-F8 and the recall location simply f1-f8 then I reset select idle worker to f9 and changed inject larva from V to ` I set all of my hatchs to 4 and all of my queens to 5 so now I just press 5 (to select all queens) then f1 ` click hatch f2 ` click hatch ect. I like it a lot more than individually binding queens to 6 7 8 and double tapping 6 7 8 to move around the map and inject. Also being able to hotkey the enemy base with the camera hotkeys is nice that or the xelnaga towers makes scouting and moving so much faster :D
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