• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:31
CET 21:31
KST 05:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros9[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win52025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION2Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest5
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ladder Map Matchup Stats Map pack for 3v3/4v4/FFA games BW General Discussion SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile The Perfect Game Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
more word salad -- pay no h…
Peanutsc
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1973 users

Base Camera Inject. Queen melt down, SOLVED

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 13 14 15 Next All
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 01:52:02
March 07 2011 03:28 GMT
#1
***************** This was patched on Patch 1.3.1, sorry for the disappointment. *****************


If you are familiar with the backspace inject method, you are familiar then with having the off chance that your queens will run around the map do to accidentally clicking a hatchery without a queen beside it. Having included a new button in the cycles I have came across fixing this issue.

If you are not familiar with the Backspace inject method please check it out here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125725,

How it happened:
While messing around with hotkeys, I have discovered that the Follow Current Selection overrides the base camera.

What is its purpose? :
With the follow current selection hotkey activated it will allow you to cycle with the base camera zoning on your queens. This means that when cycling it wont bring the camera to your hatchery, it will bring it to the closest queen in the control group preventing accidental clicks.

How to change hotkeys:
You can change Follow current selection and other hotkeys by going to option> hotkeys> global>camera, It will be the second down from the base camera

Notes:
Its important to keep in mind this works by activating follow current selection before cycling.
Shift must be held until the end of cycle. (unless you prefer to keep hitting the inject button (slower))

Set up:
I have included follow current selection in my cycles as shift+e, and q as an alternate.
I use w as base cameras and e as inject, with all queens on 4.

Execution:
I will tap 4, then e, then shift+e (hold shift until end of cycle), I will then cycle with w and inject hatcheries by clicking them.

Conclusion:
This works because following the current selection will activate your control group as a priority rather then zoning in on a hatchery when you cycle.
This can be done effectively fast, you just need to have the right tempo.

Try it !, You have my word, practice makes perfect.

I apologize for the quickness in my post pre-edit, i was in a hurry, and also excited.

To re cap:

1) Go to the Hotkeys tab, and set "Follow Current Selection" to something.
2) Select queen hotkey group
3) Press Inject hotkey
4) Press Shift+ inject hotkey
5) Use the base camera to cycle the hatcheries and click to inject.(keep holding shift)
6) If you pan away it will automatically dis-activate follow current selection.

If you find it dosent and want to do it for yourself, you can set a alternate hot key to a spot you prefer. I prefer Q


MrBitter has kindly made a video explaining this method, Major props to him for bringing this to the limelight, and taking the time to make this video.




If you liked this post and are interested in the unexplored hotkey combinations and different toggles check out some more of my ideas to make our mechanics better:

Creep Spread Idea:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=198024

EDIT:

On March 08 2011 10:01 ChefStarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 02:16 dvide wrote:
On March 07 2011 12:28 ChefStarCraft wrote:
It works by pressing shift+inject button (don't hold shift), inject button, then hold shift, cycle using base camera and inject like normal.

This will activate it and make it so you don't even have to practice a new button in your cycles.

I believe you'd be better off pressing the inject button first, hold shift, inject button again, then cycle through bases. This way you don't have to let go of shift and repress it. Minor perhaps but it's the same result and mechanically easier to perform.


Nice idea !, I will try it thank you

If it works I will edit,


It works by pressing inject button, shift+inject button, then hold shift, cycle using base camera and inject like normal. Differing form the backspace method by taping inject twice, once on its own, then tap shit+inject to toggle follow current selection, your activating it with buttons you we're going to press anyway with the backspace method.

This set up will make it so you don't even have to practice a new button in your backspace cycles.
Just a extra tap. Since this is so easy, I don't see why someone wouldn't do this, especially if they are already backspace injecting.

This is a very friendly and forgiving way to add this key, I actually don't know why you wouldn't do this. It makes it so its very easy to get used too, you will learn even faster if your used to backspace injecting already.

Closing:
The original creator of the backspace method is roark, you can find his thread at the top of the page. I only fixed it. In fact I love this guy for creating it, its helped my play so much, and inspired me to have my own style centered around the base camera and hotkeys.

The way i like to play is setting all my queens on one hotkey(4), and move around my bases with my backspace key (w). I move around with w even when I'm not injecting, to make drones, geysers, send drones to geysers, making a queen, shift+adding a queen to a control group. shift+adding a hatchery to a control group. even when i don't inject this is my main source of mobility.

If any hatchery at any point needs my attention i will mini map click it, and the shift+back mouse button the camera location, saving it for a brief moment, i will then reset it to creep spreading once the harass/attack/ scout ect. is dealt with.

It is ideal to do this whole method once you have 3-4 hatcheries at that point you will profit by doing them faster, shaving off seconds of your play at a time. Seconds can quickly add up to a minute, two minutes, ect.

With that small perk in mind, its always best to play with what your personal preference is, but that dosent make any other method wrong, or right.

I enjoy friendly people, and still want more practice partners, my friends list is full but if I like you theres always space, Chef on N/A Code:420



***************** This was patched on Patch 1.3.1, sorry for the disappointment. *****************
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
March 07 2011 03:30 GMT
#2
i was under the impression that if you had a control group with 3 queens or wahtever and you spawned larva on a hatch the closest one was picked to do it anyway? unless i'm misreading what it is you are trying to explain
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:38:26
March 07 2011 03:34 GMT
#3
On March 07 2011 12:30 RyanRushia wrote:
i was under the impression that if you had a control group with 3 queens or wahtever and you spawned larva on a hatch the closest one was picked to do it anyway? unless i'm misreading what it is you are trying to explain



Let me try and explain better,

It makes it so you don't zone on top of the hatcheries when using the base camera, it makes it so you zone in on top of the queens with your base camera, in your control group, preventing miss clicking a hatchery without a queen beside it.


Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
err
Profile Joined July 2010
54 Posts
March 07 2011 03:40 GMT
#4
Hot damn! Pack it up boys! Zerg can finally compete!
OwlFeet
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:41:53
March 07 2011 03:40 GMT
#5
sounds good, a little hard to follow since the OP is written like a spam email.
On March 07 2011 12:28 ChefStarCraft wrote:
HUGE NEWS !

...

This is 100% accurate and fast.

...
All you need to do is include

...

Try it !, You have my word.

doomed
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia420 Posts
March 07 2011 03:41 GMT
#6
I like it.. the queen wandering was the reason I did not use that technique before... but have my queens on 4-5-6-etc but i might try this again...
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:44:06
March 07 2011 03:43 GMT
#7
On March 07 2011 12:40 OwlFeet wrote:
sounds good, a little hard to follow since the OP is written like a spam email.
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 12:28 ChefStarCraft wrote:
HUGE NEWS !

...

This is 100% accurate and fast.

...
All you need to do is include

...

Try it !, You have my word.




I dint have trouble understanding this when writing it.

If your complaining about my delivery, please keep it to yourself

I will make a effort to clean it up
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
Musketeer
Profile Joined August 2010
142 Posts
March 07 2011 03:49 GMT
#8
I don't see how this is easier than just looking at your screen and not injecting bases with no queens. The order which the hatches cycle through is the same every time, so there's nothing to worry about, is there?
WhyNoManner
Profile Joined March 2011
13 Posts
March 07 2011 03:49 GMT
#9
How do i "turn on follow unit selection"

its really hard to follow your post but judging by the OMG BIGS NEWS... id like to try it

do you mean that control shift F thing where the camera follows? I presume thats what u mean.

tickle me fancy
Humbled by Dirt
theBlues
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
El Salvador638 Posts
March 07 2011 04:04 GMT
#10
The command is actually called, follow selection or something of the sort, it is in the camera hotkeys and basically what it does is it scrolls automatically on the unit you selected, not sure how this improves the injects but Im going to try it...
Change a vote, and change the world
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 04:09:50
March 07 2011 04:09 GMT
#11
On March 07 2011 13:04 TheBlueMeaner wrote:
The command is actually called, follow selection or something of the sort, it is in the camera hotkeys and basically what it does is it scrolls automatically on the unit you selected, not sure how this improves the injects but Im going to try it...



It prevents queen melt downs by following the queens when hitting the base camera, rather then following the hatcheries with the base camera.
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
hazz.
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom83 Posts
March 07 2011 04:10 GMT
#12
What is a queen meltdown...
Jaedong | FlaSh | Bisu | IdrA | Tyler | Ret | mOOnGLaDe | Jinro | White-Ra | DeMusliM
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
March 07 2011 04:11 GMT
#13
Is larva injecting this difficult that people are modifying hotkeys and coming up with complex systems to do it?
Moderator
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
March 07 2011 04:12 GMT
#14
On March 07 2011 13:10 hazz. wrote:
What is a queen meltdown...


I you are familiar with the backspace inject method then you are familiar with having the off chance that your queens will run around the map, because you accidentally click a hatchery without a queen beside it.

Please read the whole post, It has been cleaned up.

I am sorry again for sloppiness
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
telfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States415 Posts
March 07 2011 04:12 GMT
#15
I still really don't understand what you're trying to say. How is this going to stop you from misclicking and failing to realize it?
WhyNoManner
Profile Joined March 2011
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 04:19:43
March 07 2011 04:14 GMT
#16
On March 07 2011 13:11 Chill wrote:
Is larva injecting this difficult that people are modifying hotkeys and coming up with complex systems to do it?



Yeah, being efficient and slightly modifying something to be even more efficient with 1 key press is worth inferring reduced mental capacities. Or are you suggesting that Injectings is a very easy mechanics that everyone does perfectly already and theres no point looking into mechanics with more detail?

Stick to casting

User was warned for this post
Humbled by Dirt
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 07 2011 04:17 GMT
#17
Are you trying to say not to use backspace, but the follow unit camera button instead?
starleague forever
grumpyone
Profile Joined January 2011
48 Posts
March 07 2011 04:17 GMT
#18
Thanks. I had gone away from the queen hotkey/cycle approach because of the runaway queen issue. I'll try this out in some games and see how it feels.
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
March 07 2011 04:17 GMT
#19
On March 07 2011 13:11 Chill wrote:
Is larva injecting this difficult that people are modifying hotkeys and coming up with complex systems to do it?



If you are not familiar with the Backspace inject method please check it out here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125725,
and refrain from commenting until so.
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
March 07 2011 04:19 GMT
#20
On March 07 2011 13:17 a176 wrote:
Are you trying to say not to use backspace, but the follow unit camera button instead?


No you still use the base camera, its just used to center on top of the queens rather then the hatcheries, because the follow current selection enables that.
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
1 2 3 4 5 13 14 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
19:00
Open Quali #3
LiquipediaDiscussion
SC4ALL
14:00
SC4All Day 1
LiquipediaDiscussion
SC4ALL
14:00
SC4ALL - Day 1
Artosis791
RotterdaM670
ComeBackTV 620
IndyStarCraft 224
SteadfastSC166
CranKy Ducklings143
LiquipediaDiscussion
Epic.LAN
12:00
Epic.LAN 46 Playoffs Stage
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 670
IndyStarCraft 224
SteadfastSC 166
ProTech104
BRAT_OK 72
CosmosSc2 54
MindelVK 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2906
ZZZero.O 112
HiyA 24
Terrorterran 22
Jaeyun 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever450
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K805
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu355
Khaldor288
Other Games
FrodaN2652
Grubby2586
fl0m890
Beastyqt887
Artosis791
KnowMe193
Pyrionflax168
Hui .151
ToD121
QueenE97
Skadoodle87
Mew2King48
nookyyy 35
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1712
StarCraft 2
angryscii 26
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 21
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki44
• FirePhoenix3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2676
• WagamamaTV474
• Ler69
Other Games
• imaqtpie1079
• Scarra218
• Shiphtur196
Upcoming Events
BSL Team A[vengers]
17h 29m
Cross vs Sobenz
Sziky vs IcaruS
SC4ALL
18h 29m
SC4ALL
18h 29m
BSL 21
22h 29m
Replay Cast
1d 12h
Wardi Open
1d 15h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
IPSL
6 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
SC4ALL: Brood War
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.