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On January 03 2011 04:54 Ace wrote:
Less double lynches, less mad hatters, less Town PMs. More Vigilantes, more Serial Killers. Thanks.

Trying to read the last few games to find out what makes sense is ridiculous. You're killing skill levels giving the Town, and in some instances Mafia these stupid crutches. Let people get better by actually having to put some thought into actions.

No more voting threads unless your game has a lot of players. I don't think people actually realize scumhunting works when you force players to take a stance with their vote. Keep the game in the thread if you want a better game.

Serial Killers up the game KP and allow for more situations where pressure to claim happens. As it is now just look at the way most lynches occur. There isn't even pressure voting to claim or trying to figure stuff out. Put an SK in the game and when the multiple night kills start happening Vigilante hunting becomes important.

On January 04 2011 00:17 Qatol wrote:
Voting threads are pretty much going to happen for games with more than ~15 players. It is too hard on the host to not have them. More vote counts in the main thread would be nice though.

I think the reason we have been using Hatters is because Vigis are just ridiculous in PM games. If your game has PMs, you should not be using Vigis. It is too strong for them to just call out their hit and then form a PM circle.

I disagree completely with your statement that Vigis take more skill to play than Hatters. I don't think we have seen more than 1 instance of the Hatter role being used correctly actually (dreamflower in Mafia XV). The thing is, if the Hatter is lynched, the town is wasting KP. It might be appropriate to change the role so they have 1 bomb instead of 2 to avoid the carpet bombing effect, but it is a lot harder to draw out a hit from the mafia while placing your bomb correctly than it is to survive for a day or two and then take a shot.

We don't have the hatter roleclaim and double lynch immediately in an attempt to "carpet bomb our way to victory" because that's actually the easiest way for the town to lose. The town would rather use their KP when their information roles have had a little time to point out scum. Throwing KP at early game suspects is an easy way to kill townies and put the town into a big hole. Sure they might get lucky from time to time, but it just isn't a consistently effective strategy.

Why can't SK or Mafia pretend to be a Hatter? Because they're afraid of a lynch? That is a ridiculous waste. If they have managed to make themselves suspicious enough that they are worried they cannot dodge a lynch with a Hatter claim when they probably could survive with a Vigi claim, they probably screwed up anyways. Also, this isn't really that much of a problem because a lot of the games have the Vigi role on the role list and it just isn't used. The whole point of it being there is so the Mafia/SK can roleclaim it.

I'm with Incognito. I don't think your proposed changes really do much for the player skill level. It won't increase because people don't want to get better.

DrH, mandatory smurfing is just a bad idea. The games become more about figuring out who is which smurf than they do about finding scum.

On January 03 2011 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
mandatory smurfing imo

On January 04 2011 05:05 mikeymoo wrote:

This is a nightmare for staff, I think there was a problem with RebirthofLegend and Plexa and I had to tell the rest of the staff why smurfing in mafia was necessary for that game.

On January 04 2011 07:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I know. I try to hide here so I can avoid bans for at least every 1000 posts. Then all of a sudden we have mango and mikey up in here. I was tempted to push mango day 1 just to get rid of the ban thread

On January 04 2011 05:05 mikeymoo wrote:

This is a nightmare for staff, I think there was a problem with RebirthofLegend and Plexa and I had to tell the rest of the staff why smurfing in mafia was necessary for that game.