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+ Show Spoiler [gsl spoiler] +So for those that watched the GSL, we saw maka build a rax in his natural expansion area, and HopeTorture did the same thing in one of his games.
I'm going to give these guys the benefit of the doubt as the high level players as they are and assume that there's some sort of reason for doing that.
What do y'all think is the reason for that rax placement? The one thing that I was thinking is that the rax there blocks off the entrance point to the back of the natural mineral line so that helions can't slip in... but of course they didn't get their expansion for a while.
Edit: Was suggested that I hide the main body of my question as it might be a spoiler.
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You should note that it's a spoiler.
Anyways, it's because he planned on doing a rush, it's for faster rallying.
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its for a faster rally and you can try and hide it from the scout.
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kinda like how some terrans build their rax inside the smoke area on scrap station. it can fool your opponent into a false sense of alarm, if they cant find where you put your rax.
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On October 20 2010 12:21 XxScionxX wrote:
its for a faster rally and you can try and hide it from the scout.
I agree on the faster rally but not the hiding part. Maka's one (not hopetortue) was very easily scout-able.
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It allows him to keep his supply depos up during the rush so that the protoss can't sneak a probe/zealot into the base.
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Boboyo wins! That is pretty clever Boboyo.
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Wow, that's pretty clever. It just look dumb when Maka did it.
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I saw a game where some T built his rax a bit below his ramp and up a bit on scrap station purely to make his z opponent think there may be a fast proxy.
Too bad things like that aren't too effective now BLIZZARD.....
edit: think it was oGstheSTC (or something similiar to that)
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Back when I was trying to farm wins in Platinum/Diamond - which was about 2 months ago - I'd sometimes place my 2nd Barracks in a far off spot (similar placement as MakaPrime). I'd then build a Refinery right when the scout came along, which I'd stop at 499/500 to make it look like it was finished.
The opponent would think I was teching/turtling, but then I'd show up at their base with 8 Marines, a handful of SCVs, and win the game right there.
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Nice bobo and kagami. Some interesting uses indeed.
Hmmm, time to experiment.
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On October 20 2010 13:00 DoubleLariat wrote:
Nice bobo and kagami. Some interesting uses indeed.
Hmmm, time to experiment.
It worked better when you could go Barracks-first.
=(
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Boboyo's explanation is what I thought of when I saw the game.
I do like the term Maka Rax, for the starcraft community that is the height of awesomeness when it comes to naming things.
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i've noticed that they only seem to do it in TvP. maybe it's purpose is also to have vision of the natural expansion area, in case the protoss tries to warp in a proxy pylon or something.
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Yeah..I think Bobo's is the only explanation with any plausability, like Tastosis said again (when Tankboy did it today) it's almost super easily scoutable and the faster rally is negligable depending on where the expo is to the enemy main.
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It's got a few uses. Allows you to keep supply depots up, like Boboyo said. It allows for a faster rally so both marines arrive at around the same time. It also allows gives the false impression that you might be going 1 rax FE since he can only scout the 1 rax if you do it right.
Whether or not it's actually useful is up for grabs.
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On October 20 2010 12:53 Jonoman92 wrote:
I saw a game where some T built his rax a bit below his ramp and up a bit on scrap station purely to make his z opponent think there may be a fast proxy.
Too bad things like that aren't too effective now BLIZZARD.....
edit: think it was oGstheMTC (or something similiar to that)
did u see today's GSL games?
i think early pressure can be extremely effective if u do it right
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On October 20 2010 12:53 Jonoman92 wrote:
I saw a game where some T built his rax a bit below his ramp and up a bit on scrap station purely to make his z opponent think there may be a fast proxy.
Too bad things like that aren't too effective now BLIZZARD.....
edit: think it was oGstheMTC (or something similiar to that)
ogsthestc is a T player so probably him , oGsMC is a P player :D
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I think the "makarax" is actually a great little strategic move, heres why:
1. it really isnt as "risky" as tastosis claims, it is close enough to your main and easy to lift off if it is in jeopardy.
2. It gives you slightly greater vision around the entrance to your base
3. Perhaps most importantly, it MAY freak your opponent into deviating from what they would otherwise do. Getting them to overprepare for something that is completely normal is a great tactic. Conversely, it is ALSO detrimental if they dont scout it for some reason, then believing you only have 1 rax as opposed to 2
if youre going for a 2 rax play, then, why NOT do this?
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