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On October 28 2010 04:21 SpooN) wrote:
I think the "makarax" is actually a great little strategic move, heres why:
1. it really isnt as "risky" as tastosis claims, it is close enough to your main and easy to lift off if it is in jeopardy.
2. It gives you slightly greater vision around the entrance to your base
3. Perhaps most importantly, it MAY freak your opponent into deviating from what they would otherwise do. Getting them to overprepare for something that is completely normal is a great tactic. Conversely, it is ALSO detrimental if they dont scout it for some reason, then believing you only have 1 rax as opposed to 2
if youre going for a 2 rax play, then, why NOT do this?
Easily scoutable?
You need to lift it to save it if your rush fail wasting like 10-20seconds of build times.
Your rush will fail as it does in all Maka Raxes. This is tradition.
So, basically, you are doing a 2 rax pressure, lose economy since you build early units/production facility instead of building scvs, do not gain a tech advantage and lose building time of marines when you fly the rax back into your base.
'Freak' factor is greater if your opponent can't scout you rather than seeing your production facilities in his face.
The benefit of not having to close/open supply depots is rather small if you are confident you can close them in time...
It's not good...
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On October 28 2010 07:58 STS17 wrote:In starcraft, Proxy is short for Proximity. While IRL Proxy means a substitute for something else. You are both correct and incorrect.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Proxy
He's right actually. It still means proxy. A proxy rax for example is a rax outside of your main base that acts on behalf of your base.
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yeah maka rax is terribad, no one would lose to that strategy. *eyes roll*
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On October 20 2010 12:39 boboyo wrote:
It allows him to keep his supply depos up during the rush so that the protoss can't sneak a probe/zealot into the base.
Im pretty sure that he made the 2nd rax outside even when he wasn't making a wall.
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If you guys have been watching a lot of games recently it's pretty obvious why you DON'T do this. It's one thing to hide it a little bit like TankBoyPrime (on Delta?) but to put it where Maka did on Steppes of War makes no sense at all. The keeping the depot up thing doesn't even make sense because you have another rax in your main... so are you only producing out of 1 rax? Or do you lower the depot anyway? Either way, bad.
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On October 28 2010 12:10 Neo.NEt wrote:
If you guys have been watching a lot of games recently it's pretty obvious why you DON'T do this. It's one thing to hide it a little bit like TankBoyPrime (on Delta?) but to put it where Maka did on Steppes of War makes no sense at all. The keeping the depot up thing doesn't even make sense because you have another rax in your main... so are you only producing out of 1 rax? Or do you lower the depot anyway? Either way, bad.
You should know what you're talking about before criticizing. Both rax can rally in front of depots if you place it outside, but if you build the 2nd rax inside, units will get stuck behind the wall which is made with the a barracks and depot/s.
I feel like it could be really effective, but it's just not being done right. Tankboy pushed it too much with too few units and failed. I don't recall the other situations in the other games, but it doesn't hurt at all if the intention was to do 2rax opening. It'd be stupid for a P to go after the proxy rax because it's close enough where the terran can/will easily defend then the P is in a bad position. It'd only be worth it for the P if he were trying to break the wall with a timing attack/rush, but that works both ways because the barracks will be a distraction or the units from the barracks will be a distraction/flank.
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On October 28 2010 12:48 kidd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 12:10 Neo.NEt wrote:
If you guys have been watching a lot of games recently it's pretty obvious why you DON'T do this. It's one thing to hide it a little bit like TankBoyPrime (on Delta?) but to put it where Maka did on Steppes of War makes no sense at all. The keeping the depot up thing doesn't even make sense because you have another rax in your main... so are you only producing out of 1 rax? Or do you lower the depot anyway? Either way, bad. You should know what you're talking about before criticizing. Both rax can rally in front of depots if you place it outside, but if you build the 2nd rax inside, units will get stuck behind the wall which is made with the a barracks and depot/s. I feel like it could be really effective, but it's just not being done right. Tankboy pushed it too much with too few units and failed. I don't recall the other situations in the other games, but it doesn't hurt at all if the intention was to do 2rax opening. It'd be stupid for a P to go after the proxy rax because it's close enough where the terran can/will easily defend then the P is in a bad position. It'd only be worth it for the P if he were trying to break the wall with a timing attack/rush, but that works both ways because the barracks will be a distraction or the units from the barracks will be a distraction/flank.
My apologies, I have too much self respect to play Terran. And I was just using the tankboy example because his maka rax didn't get scouted, while some of the ones I've seen Maka himself toss down are literally impossible to NOT see.
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On October 28 2010 11:20 totsky wrote:
yeah maka rax is terribad, no one would lose to that strategy. *eyes roll*
I just rofld irl omfg lololol gg omg omg omg
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I always thought the idea behind it is that you can start the second barracks before your first marine is out (without revealing your strategy to the scouting SCV).
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Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 12:10 Neo.NEt wrote:
If you guys have been watching a lot of games recently it's pretty obvious why you DON'T do this. It's one thing to hide it a little bit like TankBoyPrime (on Delta?) but to put it where Maka did on Steppes of War makes no sense at all. The keeping the depot up thing doesn't even make sense because you have another rax in your main... so are you only producing out of 1 rax? Or do you lower the depot anyway? Either way, bad. You should know what you're talking about before criticizing. Both rax can rally in front of depots if you place it outside, but if you build the 2nd rax inside, units will get stuck behind the wall which is made with the a barracks and depot/s.
Wtf? May be it's just me, but when I read his post it was clear he knew and discussed what you just said. (Only producing out of 1 rax = the other rines from the 2nd rax get stuck behind supply unless if you lower it, which seems to defeat one of the purposes).
On the other hand I like the rax placing a lot, the one where you build it outside of your main closer to your opponent but on the edge of your main-base-plateau, so that distances are a little shorter and you can float it back in easily.
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Maka Rax is just a badass strategy. Any game someone Maka Raxes, I consider them the winner.
Plus it makes for great surprise rushes and I think really can be used as a serious strong opening.
Can't wait to see next season GSL and see if there's a Maka Rax 2.0
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