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I am Pandain, a young farmer who was became orphan from the turmoil of war and civil unrest in the wake of the Murray Incident. I have grown from a simple little farm boy into a succesful businessman. I ask all of you to vote for me, your mayor. A vote for Pandain is a vote for the pandas. A vote for others is a vote for Satan. I will always do analysis, and always try my best. Last game I got heaven on earth right, I coordinated blues, and I was very helpful towards the town. I know that game was not the best it could've been(notably the early spamming), but I grow. Indeed, remember that I take into consideration other people's voices as well. I will heed the advice of Ace, of Dr. H, of Brownbear, of all of my fellow Pandas. In addition, Nada has said he's my biggest fan. Do you want him to lose GSL because of a broken heart? In conclusion, Vote for Mayor Pandain. About the game: This game is quite literally going to be insane. We know no roles, neither town or mafia. It's obvious there's going to be a DT or Medic(unless LSB and Artanis really just wanted to make this insane). As for mafia, I would say there's a decent chance of there being a Godfather. But really, we just don't know. Hmm.... It's going to be hard to even know what roles there are without claiming(no pms.) Obviously we shouldn't claim*cough* Coagulation *cough* (<3). As for who to be mayor, we should elect an experienced person. Obviously there's the argument that that person could be mafia, but honestly it's either an inexperienced town/scum(bad either way) or an experienced town/scum(really bad one way, really good other way.) I think it's safe to know which one is best. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i wouldn't be surprised if anyone turned red since we're all equally likely to be red All wifom. Speculation on what the host did, and how he chose stuff. Theres even a likely chance he just RNG'd all the roles, meaning every discussion we have about this is leading us away from real discussion. For all intents and purposes, there is a 9/39 chance he is mafia. In addition, I think we can rule out the possibility of a third party based on this. On October 29 2010 09:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Thanks for pointing that out. Player amount updated: It is 30 town-aligned players versus 9 mafia-aligned players. As for the PM thing, it is in the OP. Mafia aligned, not just anti town or w/e. does this mean something, or is this just a general term? On October 29 2010 09:28 LunarDestiny wrote: DoctorHelvetica voting for Bumatlarge did give out some information about their alignment. If DoctorHelvetica is Town, then Bumatlarge is Town or Mafia If DoctorHelvetica is Mafia, then Bumatlarge is Mafia If Bumatlarge is Town, then DoctorHelvetica is Town If Bumatlarge is Mafia, then DoctorHelvetica can be Town or Mafia Don't fall into this trap. Townies easily make mistakes all the time, and mafia routinely bus people if they feel like it. Really the only time something like this would have a serious effect on the player's role is if 1. He was fervently supporting him 2. He cast a deciding vote on them Even then, it could still be a townie. He just voted for him, that's all he's done. (Vote for Pandain. Cool, calm, and collected. Sponsered by Chill.) | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:47 orgolove wrote: Pandain seemed pretty collected in the Haunted game, but many of his predictions were off. I'm not too sure about allowing him another chance to be wrong again, especially in a smaller game such as this. Such as????? I nailed Heaven on earth, and I definitely wouldn't have allowed a town circle to form such that there were only like 4 vamps left(one count dracula.) Inflitration should have been especially cautious, yet was never brought up in that game. I'm alright with electing someone else, but I feel I can really help. As for your roles.... keep that to yourself. Obviously they are quite interesting(or maybe I'm special {yay for vaugness} ) but as of now try to keep it to yourself. If you feel you can nab a mafia with it, or establish a CONFIRMED town circle, then reveal. But be cautious. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: btw how do we have a town circle in a game with no pms lol  | ||
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On October 29 2010 12:17 bumatlarge wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php# LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU. We also need to decide the first person to kill, which is often hard with little information. I say we kill a mayor candidate, as it might increase our chances, based on when and how they claimed to run. Of course they might not run at all, but with such ambiguity in what roles are present, you could really fake some nasty stuff. I wouldn't pass up that opportunity. Mayor determines first day kill. On October 29 2010 09:58 bumatlarge wrote: I'm curious how you would go about forming a town circle. Considering the PM rules. And there are no clues in this game, unless you mean something else like slip-ups. It seems for someone claiming they have such a keen-eye, you don't read the OP very well. I don't think this makes you scummy, you just don't stand out as an experienced player if we put aside how smart you will be as mayor. oh the irony + Show Spoiler + <3 | ||
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Pros and cons: Pros: -MIGHT find mafia -they can't change later -coordinate blues possibly Cons: Mafia can snipe off blues. Mafia can fake roleclaim easily. With no pms, it'll be hard to coordinate anyway. Now let's take a look at it in real circumstances. We mass roleclaim. Mafia roleclaim just some stuff, pick random generic roles(or just copy from what they see townies doing). The only way we can find out who's who is by checking with dt's. Unfortunately, we've already revealed them. So it'll be like the same, except medics know who to protect, but mafia also know who to shoot(medics/dts.) Basically they'll just snipe us off one by one, and at best they'll go through medics, and then go th rough us. If we're going to roleclaim at all, it should only be like one person at a time, in certain circumstances when you feel it will be EXTREMELY beneficial to the town. Be very cautious if you are thinking about roleclaiming, think: "Do you need to?" | ||
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On October 29 2010 12:44 Coagulation wrote: bumatlarge. as a campaigning candidate for mayor what is your political stance on bandwagoning are you pro Bandwagon or Anti bandwagon plz explain As for this, what the fadoodle? Bandwagoning is NEVER good, townies should make logical decisions. Either this was a horrible attempt at fishing or your just a clueless scum :/. Hopefully the latter. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:08 bumatlarge wrote: Roleclaiming is especially bad in this format. Normally I'd put it at meh bad, but when you dont know what kinda roles are around, it's 99% of the time bad. Bandwagoning usually narrows it down. If someone wins by a landslide, mafia either doesnt care about mayor, or there is a mafia mayor. This puts enormous amounts of suspicion on them which is very bad for scum-mayors. Doesn't happen often or when mafia is very laid-back. Anti-bandwagoning is generally pro-town, as there are certain to be townies who ran for the position. It leads to more options for everyone and alot more analysis for town to do. If we are talking about lynching, bandwagoning usually means lynchee isn't scum, unless mafia are busing properly. You need to pay attention to who votes what and when. In this format, I'd imagine there is some role that can check some vote-list for mafia and such. Very strong role that is helped by split votes. I think it's safe to say that I'm generally anti-bandwagon unless there is good reasons. I believe he's talking about the nature of bandwagoning itself, as in, is it good to. And the answer to that is no, you should always be thinking for yourself. Your post referes to analyzing bandwagons, which is important, so I'll address it because I'm bored. Usually there are a couple reasons why bandwagoning occurs 1.Mafia orchestrate it 2.Townies are horribly disorganized and illogical(usually combined with #1) 3.Newer players just don't know In analyzing a bandwagon, you need to look at several things. Who voted who, if they had made any contradictory opinions on the canidates they ended up voting for (scum tell), at what time they did, how each vote changed the distance between two canidates in vote numbers. Bandwagons are just in general horrible, as they are formed from mob mentality rather than reason. If I'm mayor, this will never happen. We will go through over lynch with precise detail, with debates and arguments. We will get all opinions. This is a democracy, and I would be proud to be your mayor. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:13 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think we should steer away from the idea of mass role-claiming. That works really well in games where there are definite listed roles and numbers of players per role. This game is so ambiguous with the role list it would be insane for the town to start role claiming. There's nothing to check them against, and we can't even be sure we have the ability to check. With god awful plans like that I'm half considering running just to get people to wake up and discuss how we can organize the roles and who we want to be targeted or saved or infected. How should the mayor role be treated for the benefit of the town? Is it wise for us to cross our fingers and hope a legit DT (if any in the game) check the mayor to confirm? Will this result in 2 mafia members pulling the strings because of some misinformation? Should we have the DT (if any) create a circle and once again cross our fingers? Should the DT (if any) speak up the second he checks a mafia? What other roles are we speculating could be in this game? It's just some new players offering some ideas, all we have to do is explain why it won't work in this set up. As for your questions, right now I'm thinking this: 1.If you find a red, always claim. Medics will protect you and it'll be hard pressed for mafia to shoot you(even if they want to) since they know you'll be protected. So it's basically a win for town. 2. DT's can't create circles by themselves....however I'm thinking there's some ways to get around this 3.Dts and medics for sure. Vigis and vets very likely. Masons, mad hatters also possible, even likely with the large amount of players. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:19 bumatlarge wrote: I think that's a bit narrow-minded. Sometimes what you can draw from an outcome can be more enlightening as the outcome itself. Bandwagoning without reason is always bad, as if I just said "We will kill pandain today, that is all" But if I say "We should kill pandain because so-and-so said such-and-such meaning we can clarify this-and-that and our odds of winning are better." I don't think bandwagoning means without reason, I think it means everyone getting behind a vote for a reason, and sometimes that reason is perfectly justifiable, while most of the time it isn't. That's not bandwagoning, that's deciding. Unless you mean by bandwagon just a large group of people voting one person(rather than more than one), I can see that point. | ||
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1.What exactly does your role say or w/e. Unless you don't want to tell me yet. I'm trying to find out more about exactly how this role works. | ||
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On October 30 2010 01:34 annul wrote: for what its worth with all the masturbation that goes on in TL mafia about smurfs and hiding who you are, etc, you place a very high amount of stock on me "not having enough experience" i wonder, judge me on how i played in haunted: do you really think i lack experience in mafia? yes, i am new to TL mafia. no, i am not new to mafia, nor to playing town. Actually playing mafia would be much more easy than playing town. For example, you had already created a blue circle(which they shouldn't have done anyway since they trusted you so blindly), so really picking off people wasn't that hard. Keep in mind you often shot people who got saved and not always blues. Obviously you played EXTREMELY well and probably turned around a losing situation into a win, but it doesn't mean your'e god. Even if your town, I'm somewhat unsure as to how you will be at scum hunting, which is harder because you have less information. I'm not saying your not good, you are, but keep in mind your not exactly ver/flamewheel. Neither am I of course, but humility is something we should all keep in mind. (especially me :p) | ||
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To me, being mayor is more than just having protection. Sure, it's useful, and obviously a lot of us running might have valuable roles, but really what Fishball has is an unconfirmed circle, with an unconfirmed Fishball, the real power coming from the ability to pm. An extra vote IS helpful in mafia, and with only ~15 people in the late game is a very valuable asset, in addition he gets to decide the first day lynch. Finally, one possibly very important question: Can the mayor be infected with murrayitis? | ||
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Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.) As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial". thoughts? | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:02 Nemesis wrote: Actually he changed his answer into, players infected with Murrayitis all die when at least half the players have it. *sigh | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:09 Infundibulum wrote: A key thing to consider for all those saying that FB could be lying about his circle: He's still told us more about his place in the game than any other candidate. We know more about fishball than Pandain and Annul. Because FB has made claims, we can hold him accountable to those claims if it falls through after he is elected. Right now we have nothing to hold the other candidates to for being accountable, other than just playing pro-town. If I win I'll roleclaim. As of now I personally see no reason to roleclaim on the arbitrary measure of "being open." If I lose, and am open, then mafia(if in the chance i have a good role) will snipe me off. | ||
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