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Things not to do while I'm away; 1.Roleclaim to others 2.Majority lynch already yum yum yum panda finished | ||
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1.Town may actually be the best off at winning at this game. Why is this? Both of the red teams have victory conditions which only require the other enemy red team dead. Aka, vampires want mafia dead and mafia want vampires dead. The only problem is that Town needs to outnumber the vampires/mafia by the end. What does this mean? Both red teams will be aiming for one another. Town should further that as much as possible. I am willing to be a go to man for any information a blue has. I will reveal it in thread, while letting the blue remain safe. Therefore, if I am lied to, I can reveal who it is, and if I lie, then we have a 50/50 chance at an anti town role, which is far better than what we have now. The funny thing is even if I was mafia, I would be attempting to get you to kill the vampires/mafia. Note that in the scenario I am mafia/vampires, you wouldn't know my role, so I'd feel no threat from you. I'm leaving this open for suggestion, however. 2.Tonight we should have the mad scientist analyze the clue for the "knives in every direction" thing. We shouldn't analyze whether that is actually a clue relating to one specific person since we have a couple of guesses. Or, on the contrary, if we lynch Vendril then we might check something else, I have to see all the roles and everything. I'll look them over. 3. Try not to spam, if you want to answer something you can just pm them rather than clutter up the thread. I'm guilty of that alot so do what I say, not what I do. :p 4. Clues should be used as support for a lynch, not as the evidence. Clues by their very nature are very interpative, and should be taken lightly. If you have a good read on someone, you can be like "Hey, this clue could also point to him!" Of course, in situations such as day 1 when we don't really have that much to go on, clues will take a much bigger role. But this is something to keep in mind. A related note to that is if you think a clue can point to someone, look if it can point to anyone else as well. Too often townies can become blinded to one piece of evidence and stuck on one person and fail to realize it can point to someone else as well. I do think the Jack O lantern is a clue, and in addition will give us much information based on how people reacted to Masq's lynch(?). For example, if Masq is mafia, and if The Mad Scientist turns up anything, then we have another sure hit. | ||
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1.We have a more direct clue and more obvious towards him 2.If Masq is town, that lends a whole bunch of credibility towards Veldril And what information do we gain from lynching Veldril? We don't even know if Masq is town/mafia if veldril is town, since Townies make mistakes and defend the wrong people all the time. But if we lynch Masq, we gain info on all the people who defended him and accused him based on his role. Masq is a better lynch than veldril. | ||
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On October 12 2010 05:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: All we have on Masq is the jack-o-lantern clue, and that he was happy when Veldril defended him. Veldril, on the other hand, has defended Masq, tried to deflect focus, has been very outspoken, evaded suspicion, etc. I believe that Veldril is the more dangerous one of the two, and, as such, should be removed. And if Masq turns out to be town, then Veldril will come out looking very pro town, no? What's bad with an outspoken person anyway, gives more of a chance for slip ups. This whole post really gives nothing on "why" veldril is mafia. I want someone to give me a good paragraph or more why Veldril is mafia without using the reason "Because Masq is mafia and he defended him". Right now town needs to rely on logic, and intuition. A mob that does whatever's "the right thing" right now(aka, popular lynch) will not last long. Unfortunately, Masq hasn't done anything to help himself at all. All of his posts have been defending his picture, and they haven't been good either. I'm unsure right now. But what makes me really intrigued is how vehement BM is in wanting to get him lynched. Bill Murray, wouldn't lynching Masq be a better choice, since we will find more info and know if Veldril is mafia/town(at least a better chance of it, nothings certain.) | ||
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yum yum even if i was scum it would only help town because I would be aiming towards other enemy team yum yum yum yum can help prevent future occurences where somebody claims vet so red can't just fake it yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum dts shouldn't unless they check me and find me sufficently pro town that im not godfather or something like that yum yum yum yum yum yum yum medics can, but if im mafia/vampires I will of course give them semi bad advice yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum same with mad hatter since I wouldn't want to get my own team lynched if im red yum yum yum likey? + Show Spoiler + please don't post like this  | ||
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On October 12 2010 06:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: Haha, look at jodo, policing the clutter now =P Town does need the blues to do something though. We need some information tonight, and we need to protect our most vulnerable/valuable. I am more than willing to help coordinate blues if they want me to. No one do that. remember, dts and medics will be given bad advice if jcarlsoniv is mafia/vampires, and thus will be hindered That's why I in fact only asked vets to claim, and if they claimed to even more, its possible they won't even have a chance to be hit at all if we are both different scum teams. the yum yum says no | ||
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On October 12 2010 06:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't disagree with Pandain, I'm just trying to help out. It is important to find a lynch target, but equally, if not more important to make sure our blues are being used well. Sorry to step on your toes Pandain, you can handle that. And whos to say you will help them use it well? Who's to say you're not mafia, leading the Medic to protect their own scum. Or even an innocent townie who gives bad advice. If you really want to help blues, tell them what they should be doing. Like this: Dts: check suscipcious people, active people, vets, Medics: protect people who you think will get hit, especially pro town seeming ones, and me n.n Vets: try to soak up hits, pretend as other blues. Mad hatter: place carefully. If you really have a good read place it on them. + Show Spoiler + yum yum goes to play sc2 yum yum | ||
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Well, I think we should keep his things hidden. I think he should only share with a select group so theres a chance the mafia/vampires won't know. I obviously nominate me. | ||
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On October 12 2010 08:05 aztrorisk wrote: DoctorH can you please read the witch description: Witch - You are a master of black magic and studied for centuries in the town of Liquidvania. Even the people of Liquidvania who are accepting to monsters despise you and you have since taken up working for the mafia. Once during the night you can PM me the name of a player to curse, preventing them from taking action during the night. You cannot curse the same player twice in a row and you can not curse vampires as they are already cursed and you also cannot curse someone being haunted by a ghost. Since you mentioned that the witch can't curse someone haunted by the ghost, I decided to reveal my identity or else I would've kept it a secret. Can you just let this rule come into effect only for tonight as a fair compromise? No its alright. We got this shizzle snit. Anyway vampire brute was the flaw to your plan. Look it up. | ||
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I will be coordinating where the bombers will place their bombs, if anyone wants to help they can pm me. However, I will be attempting to keep the bombings a secret so that mafia don't know when its a safe time to kill aztrorisk. If anyone wants to help, they can PM me, but they will not know the results of where the bombs will be. Is that understood? Also, if DT's feel comfortable in me during any time in the future they can PM me their roles so bombs will not be placed on them(to avoid a catastrphe like in BM's game where like 6 people died). However, I would suggest not checking me today, as Vampire brute could kill everyone. | ||
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On October 12 2010 09:58 YummyBlaBla wrote: How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!? well for one I know. two because I already know who both of them are. And I'm going to make sure, at the very least, they don't overlap. Regardless, even if i was mafia/vampire i would be trying to go for the other team, but with more info. So actually Mafia/Vampire Pandain would be better equipped for this than regular Pandain. | ||
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On October 12 2010 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Care to share what it is? we all say our role and then mafia picks us off one by one | ||
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I'll post tommorow with an actualy content filled post | ||
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possible clues in profile include: "Break every bone in your face" bashed his skull to pieces "The cooler weather makes me unspeakably happy..." e tall figure laughed maniacally Note Qatol also died at midnight, so of course he would laugh manically since its cooler weather. his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm." this is only semi plausible. "Can you hear it? The wind is speaking. It's telling me to do bad things. Very bad things." i really think thats a clue, i don't know whether it relates to him though. I think mad scientist should check whether that is a clue. "A coffin made of your deceptions" there are numerous references to the "oh my gosh, my mind are playing tricks on me", and then they end up dead. Also his only post is useless, as he just gathers up the posts of a person. On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote: Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill + Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] + On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote: Reporting in. Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not. Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible. On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote: Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote: Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote: I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote: Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night ).On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote: Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote: Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote: After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote: Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction. On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote: You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you. Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM. On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote: type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with [] Example: blue green red On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote: Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote: Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote: Ah I see, seems to miss your post. Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote: It seems most people are out for my blood now. I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red". Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night. However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green. claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that? Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post. Compare that with his quote: "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." | ||
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On October 13 2010 06:59 zerroth wrote: These clues of the murder and his profile picture are a bit meh. I do have to agree that some stuff sounds reasonable but compared to some other people's connection of a murder to their profile page (most notably masq) it doesnt really compare up. In my view, Bill is like some drunkard whose trying to spice up the game. He doesnt have any direct clue and profile page connection yet though. I don't really think much of Bill because he is so wishy washy. one moment he defends himself, the other he accuses and votes on some random reason. pffffft there can be red herrings. I know I've red some games where hosts put in some obvious red herrings. In my view we should just have the mad scientist check whether that actually IS a clue, because if it is, we got an almost certain lynch. Because right now it just seems too obvious, and we can always lynch him later. @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway? Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not. also what im being accused? of what? | ||
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