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MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 11:37:47
September 30 2010 13:21 GMT
#1
About me
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Introduction
hello everyone. a couple of days ago i started fooling around with zerg and now - as u may already know, ive decided to practicing zerg on a daily basis.
if u missed out on the original thread u can check that out if u want. to cut that part short there seemed to be quite a bit of people who wanted to know how im doing with the swarm and thats where i got this idea to daily update you guys on my zerg

Tournaments/Events
i just wanna make this clear to everyone. i will keep play terran in all the events and i will prepare for events by pracitcing with terran. the zerg project is just something on the side that i wont dedicate all my time to

Goal
- become one of the top zerg gamers within a short period of time, if not - i want to become a very decent zerg user
- learn the basic fundamentals (tnx for that word day9) of the race but i also want to dig deeper to learn things more in detail such as build orders and complex timings
- get a better understanding of zergs current state in balance, gameplay and simple the fun-factor of playing zerg. also see which race is harder than the other
- get an idea if which race i want to play in the future
- understanding the tvz match ups from other perspectives. to learn the weaknesses and build orders of the zerg race will give me alot of ability to exploit them as a terran user

Idea
its quite simple, i will post replay packs and maybe input some things ive learned every day or what players have helped me with
i hope u guys can enjoy this as much as u gave me that impression the last few days

Facts
+ Show Spoiler +
- i played zerg for some hours the first day i got sc2 to check out what the race was capable of.
- i played zerg for fun about 5 games max before this project, which means im a total newb and these games u see of me as zerg from day1 is actually all from scratch, a very lame player who tries hard to improve.
- most of the games u will see will be totally one-sided rapes, i do not hesitate and will not stay in a game after making a huge blunder. in my practice games i want to learn, not win.
- my original terran stats were somewhere on diamond 2000pt 200W - 60L before starting with zerg.
- i think zerg is underpowered on majority of the maps but also a bit overpowered on a few maps, in overall id guess zerg is the weakest race but im not very certain of it, thats another reason im doing this.
- i find zerg to be a harder race in mechanics, apm and i also believe zerg takes more hours each day to practice to not get rusty.
- what got me interested into changing race is because i want to challenge myself apm and mechanically wise and get back into my defensive-macro roots of sc1.
- defensive-macro style is the way i used to play alot as terran in beta but i find it to be a worse playstyle than economy-harassment-pressure based playstyle which other terrans were using at this point. ever since phase 2 of beta ive been using economy-harassment-pressure style more succesfully than my older playstyle.
- i am not choosing to do this exact thing with protoss because i find protoss to be just as lacking as terran from an e-sport point of view.
- i wish blizzard worked on making zerg micro more indeph at same time making protoss and terran more apm and mechanics demanding in the macro.


How i will spend my Zerg-hours
1: Practicing on the ladder
2: Custom games
3: Analyzing my own replays but also some replays of top gamers
4: Watching zerg content on the web such as reading about zerg on liquipedia or watching some day9 daily on how to become a better gamer
5: And i wont forget to keep this thread updated on a daily basis

Downloading replay packs
to download the replay packs enter the link. if necessary write in the code it asks and wait for the timer to go down to 0 and then it will give u a download

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September
+ Show Spoiler +

28th September
Rating: Diamond 1700~
Replay pack: [url blocked]
hard struggle went on about 20 losses i believe, finally at the end i won my first game as zerg. it was against Flayer (1.8k diamond)

29th September
Rating: Diamond 1571
Replay pack: [url blocked]
ive been having a hard time to not trying to creep tumor my hatcheries all the time. the mechanics of the queen is gonna be quite a problem in the start but i think i will get a hang of it in time and learn it well by routine.

many zergs and players have been giving me a huge support on my experimenting with the zerg race so far. high level zergs are happy that im testing out their race and many of them dont mind giving me a push. madfrog gave me some great advises in zvz, the basics of early game and how the matchup evolves to midgame

30th September
Rating: Diamond 1537
Replay pack: http://www.duckload.com/download/898936/day3.rar
took my time posting this :p and im off to get some bashing done on the ladder (for the most part on myself).
played some games, decemvre showed me a nice opening on steppes on zvt
my queen mechanics has improved alot lately, im still struggling to survive terran early game because im always eager to make drones instead of units^^
not much time to play today, ideally i want to play more than this. gotta play viking cup monthly finals! :>
i feel like my zvz has improved alot during these first days. pvz is going quite well but tvz im still trying to establish when its ok to drone and when its ok to make units in early game. i believe i will be stuck in zvt early game for at least another few days before i become decent at it

1st October
Rating: Diamond 1455
Replay pack: http://www.duckload.com/download/902555/day3.rar
realizing my mouse speed is too high for zvz control, will lower it down tomorrow. also started to using hp bars always on since it helps me with transfusion in zvz but also larva inject mechanics.
getting better at creep spreading, started to make an additional queen only for that purpose against toss users im learning alot about zvp late game and how lacking in upgrades ive been against them for air and melee attacks

2nd October
Rating: Diamond 1507
Replay pack: http://www.mediafire.com/?by1fh340lb1n2en
yep, your seeing right, i just went up 50 pts
talked to darkforce and he told me about the reasoning behind cannon rushing and decemvre were also there to tell me some nice pointers of how to stop it. darkforce talked abit about zvp midgame play how backstabbing a toss can sometimes be more effective than attacking it directly.
if u sit on 3base and taking 4th/5th while toss push out he said u can backstab him with mass muta ling and he is forced to retreat, else its a basetrade. if toss backs then u will have time to build a greater army because your 3base (the mutas can fly away ofcourse) or even get drones to ur new bases. if toss attacks u then its a basetrade that zerg often wins he says.
sounds kind of like a desperate style to me but then again he knows lots and lots more than me, i will start try this in some future games and sees how things turn out. so far ive been ok with just hydra roach corrupter fighting into late game.
sry about the "technical errors" about the rep packs, still searching for a stable uploading site :p

3rd October
Rating: Diamond 1494
Replay pack: http://www.mediafire.com/?5ezb9kv5mrmwixm
ok i dont die to the initial 2 hellions from the reactor anymore, so thats good news. i stop it with my queen on my natural, a spine crawler and about 6 speedlings up my ramp ready to surprise the hellions of the decide to get greedy. once get gets more hellions i get some roaches out or simply just more zerglings, either one is fine which i like alot.
been loving the neutral parasite to counter thor so far, i dont know why zergs thing its useless, i think they were just spoiled with it holding forever. 12 seconds is more than enough to finish a tvz battle imo.
5rax reaper is really simple to stop just playing like dimaga, mass zerglings and low gas income. im starting to understand zvz a bit more now and managed to win some high diamond zerg gamers, my baneling micro is far from perfect still^^

6th October
Rating: Diamond 1390
Replay pack: none
gonna play terran fulltime for 1-3 weeks to wrap up my last going tournaments with hopefully nice results. i have decided to switch to zerg so i will stop sign up for new tournaments until i am at least 2k rating with zerg.
once i finish these ongoing tournaments i will start practice zerg with all my practice time
sry for no replay pack. will start updating this thread once im back on track with z
there is a possibility that i decide to switch back to terran once again in the future but as it is right now im pretty convinced that i want to be a zerg user

16th October
Rating: irrelevant
seeing the patch notes today made me pretty happy about tvt. alot of luck invloving in this mu were just around the bunker rushes and stuff that was really strong. overall pretty happy with the patch notes.
im very excited to start play zerg now, not a long time left now^^
i think tvz is gonna favor zerg on some maps now, and maps like scrap that already favored-ish z it will be very difficult to win i think. imo the biggest things that made t>z is because of all early game stuff but blizzard just eliminated about half of the stuff a t can do early on plus roaches will be much stronger and better at stopping harass. and by having a stronger early game where a zerg can play more economical and still survive is gonna make his mid and late game that much stronger. the m250 cannon buff might compensate alot for the later games now which i think is great, definitely ownage vs ultras since their high armor removes so much dmg from thors normal attacks :p

27th October
Rating: 2078
Replay pack (part 1): http://www.mediafire.com/?6s6t6ym1n7j83n6
Replay pack (part 2): http://www.mediafire.com/?j8gj8bbgfjul2tj
back to the zergland going very well since last time i was here. been winning many games vs high level players and my mechanics is starting to become quite good.
i think u will enjoy some of these replays here since im not getting totally raped anymore xd
there are a few tournament replays in there aswell, cba to filter them out tbh :p
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
September 30 2010 13:24 GMT
#2
I'm looking forward to more... Looking at your own race from a different perspective is always helpful for your game :D
(5)Twilight Star.scx --------- AdmiralHoth: There was one week when I didn't shave for a month.
Cadence
Profile Joined July 2008
China33 Posts
September 30 2010 13:25 GMT
#3
My hat's off to you MorroW.
Zerg's are getting brave.
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3050 Posts
September 30 2010 13:26 GMT
#4
Oooh, this is awesome. I will eagerly await more replay packs
Thank you.
End my suffering
imyzhang
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada809 Posts
September 30 2010 13:26 GMT
#5
it's weird, that a lot of terrans i've run into recently have been playing as zerg in customs (including me). I think a lot of us t players are trying to understand what the fuss about terran imba is all about.

Glad to see that great players like morrow don't just only care about winning, and keeping their ladder rankings/ratings high.
bleh
mikki
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9 Posts
September 30 2010 13:26 GMT
#6
Good luck!
Lowko
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands286 Posts
September 30 2010 13:27 GMT
#7
Awesome, will be looking forward to this mr. Morrow.
www.LowkoTV.com
skirmisheR
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden451 Posts
September 30 2010 13:28 GMT
#8
Great initiative, really. Love this! :D
I can jungle Pudge, can you?
Sqalevon
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands523 Posts
September 30 2010 13:29 GMT
#9
I'm really intrested if you can try and bend the Zerg to "your new" harass style, or if you will fall back on "your old" defensive macro game.

Good luck.
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
September 30 2010 13:29 GMT
#10
I'm glad you've sucked it up and found some self respect, MorroW (kidding :D)

I'm in a predicament myself where I want to switch to Zerg from Protoss, but I don't want to lose my ladder record/play 20 matches before I get placed down against players that I can actually beat them with Zerg. Does anyone have a clue how long the ladder season will be? If it's only a couple of months out I think I'll switch when the ladder resets.

MorroW Fighting!!!
♥
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
September 30 2010 13:31 GMT
#11
Certainly a brave decision. You don't really have a lot to gain by doing this.
Good luck anyway, it will be interesting to see how well you do.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
deverlight
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Korea (South)463 Posts
September 30 2010 13:31 GMT
#12
Lots of respect to you Morrow!
overdose
Profile Joined August 2010
9 Posts
September 30 2010 13:31 GMT
#13
respect man!
dvide
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom287 Posts
September 30 2010 13:32 GMT
#14
Great idea for a thread. This will help me learn too. Hope you eventually switch to zerg permanently
FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
September 30 2010 13:32 GMT
#15
bookmarked bro.
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 13:37:54
September 30 2010 13:33 GMT
#16
I'm really looking forward to seeing how well you do.
Best of luck, I hope you get the satisfaction and the info you are looking for.

EDIT: Honestly, when I opened this thread, I was expecting a rant on how it is physically impossible to hatch a 2 ton ultralisk from the same egg as 2 50kg zerglings Imagine my surprise!
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
Irritation
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria129 Posts
September 30 2010 13:34 GMT
#17
big respect to morrow !
By failing to prepare, you are preparing for failure - Benjamin Franklin
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
September 30 2010 13:36 GMT
#18
Here is a quality person that is receiving some unqualified jests. I hope you do well.

I've had a chance to play all 3 races, and there are plenty of times when I feel like I'm wasting my time with Zerg.

Cool is my hope. ZERG FIGHTING
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
September 30 2010 13:37 GMT
#19
Can't wait to see how this turns out, Zerg needs good players like you playing games to iron out some solid build times and see what works in higher level play.

Also, "Larva to ultralisk?" has to be the best title ever for this. I've always wondered how that works. Such a small egg....
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ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
September 30 2010 13:37 GMT
#20
On September 30 2010 22:31 Klive5ive wrote:
Certainly a brave decision. You don't really have a lot to gain by doing this.
Good luck anyway, it will be interesting to see how well you do.


he has a ton to gain from this.

even if he switches back to terran, the much deeper understanding of the timings zerg has and what can happen when will benefit his TvZ greatly, as well as the experience playing with the units and their capabilities.
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