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Racek
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic9 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 10:31:59
September 30 2010 00:03 GMT
#1
Dreamliner features about 30 sec main-to-main distance and a quite broad chokes to main. I was able to make 2depot+rax zealot blocks and 3depot+rax zergling proof blocks.
Can anyone improve buildings positioning?

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moar FvJ
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
September 30 2010 00:17 GMT
#2
To be honest the only practical one is the first one in tvp. The others take way too long to complete. The second one is semi-viable but just seems too prone to goon pressure.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
September 30 2010 01:51 GMT
#3
First two are useful but 3 depot walls are kinda pointless lol.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
September 30 2010 03:08 GMT
#4
i wouldn't rely on walls in tvz, just rely on scv blocks on the ramps vs 9 pools
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IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
September 30 2010 08:46 GMT
#5
Yup, I agree with posters above, if it's too hard to wallin/takes too much time, then it's better you play without one. Just learn some simple scv/rine micro and you should be ok.
Forever Vulture.. :(
Racek
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic9 Posts
September 30 2010 10:41 GMT
#6
Edited first post, added bottom main and improved bottom natural (thx for feedback).

I know 3 depot walls are not very viable, that's just in case.
moar FvJ
StunnerZ4
Profile Joined September 2010
38 Posts
October 01 2010 22:57 GMT
#7
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.
I don't have one presently.
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-01 23:46:58
October 01 2010 23:46 GMT
#8
On October 02 2010 07:57 StunnerZ4 wrote:
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.


There is no possible way you can survive early game with a 3 depot natural wall in tvz, ling proof or not.
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9799 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 04:19:29
October 02 2010 04:18 GMT
#9
On October 02 2010 07:57 StunnerZ4 wrote:
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.

its not that nobody wants to try it because they don't think it'll work, its that it doesnt work. theres a reason flash doesnt do it, and this is it. there's a reason we've never seen flash go mass firebats, or mass wraiths, or 14cc into mass scv rush. it doesn't work.

edit: i hope you didn't mean you were an A ranked player, because its quite evident from your post that you're not.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10356 Posts
October 02 2010 23:24 GMT
#10
On October 02 2010 13:18 seRapH wrote:
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On October 02 2010 07:57 StunnerZ4 wrote:
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.

its not that nobody wants to try it because they don't think it'll work, its that it doesnt work. theres a reason flash doesnt do it, and this is it. there's a reason we've never seen flash go mass firebats, or mass wraiths, or 14cc into mass scv rush. it doesn't work.

edit: i hope you didn't mean you were an A ranked player, because its quite evident from your post that you're not.

Awww... Frank, cmon!!! FlaSh will go mass firebat as long as JD goes mass lings all-in =) FlaSh will beat JD in the WCG =)
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 00:21:58
October 03 2010 00:20 GMT
#11
On October 02 2010 07:57 StunnerZ4 wrote:
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.

That's what everyone is talking about. It doesn't work for tvz. Of course in some situations in tvp its viable. When protoss is doing some 2 base all in it can work. The reason why it doesn't work for tvz is not because that its ling proof. Its because by the time you finish it making your depots at the regular timing it won't be finished in time if zergs make zerglings. If you build them in advance its going to cut on your timings which is against the whole purpose of the wall in the first place. What is the purpose of a wallin? Its so you can lay off on defense such as a bunker and even rines. To actually complete a 3 depot wall you will have to make rines which then you won't need the wall in. It just makes your nat smaller and causes it to be easier to harass.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 01:47:02
October 03 2010 01:45 GMT
#12
On October 02 2010 07:57 StunnerZ4 wrote:
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.


So which korean on the ladder are you?
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On October 03 2010 09:20 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
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On October 02 2010 07:57 StunnerZ4 wrote:
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.

That's what everyone is talking about. It doesn't work for tvz. Of course in some situations in tvp its viable. When protoss is doing some 2 base all in it can work. The reason why it doesn't work for tvz is not because that its ling proof. Its because by the time you finish it making your depots at the regular timing it won't be finished in time if zergs make zerglings. If you build them in advance its going to cut on your timings which is against the whole purpose of the wall in the first place. What is the purpose of a wallin? Its so you can lay off on defense such as a bunker and even rines. To actually complete a 3 depot wall you will have to make rines which then you won't need the wall in. It just makes your nat smaller and causes it to be easier to harass.



On top of this, a ling proof wall is also marine proof and will lead you to funneling when you leave making ling surrounds or lurkers a pita to deal with.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
October 03 2010 02:57 GMT
#13
I was looking more for harassing wall with mutalisk. And when they have lurkers out if you're in your base supplies will be in range and will die. Just a hassel because all your units are going to be clumped in that small area.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 04 2010 08:29 GMT
#14
On October 03 2010 10:45 d(O.o)a wrote:
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On October 02 2010 07:57 StunnerZ4 wrote:
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.


So which korean on the ladder are you?
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Because we all know that the only foreigner at A was Idra and he posts on Idra


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On October 03 2010 09:20 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On October 02 2010 07:57 StunnerZ4 wrote:
I think 3 way supplying is great in the case of defending an expo. Most people only "EXPECT" that it should "ONLY" be two supply depot but there's no rule stating how many there should be and when. Take it from an A ranked player, if Flash were to 3 wall supply I'm sure the whole community would do it on that particular map. Whatever works and holds up the expansion, go for it! But yeah, not for TvZ unless it's ling proof.

That's what everyone is talking about. It doesn't work for tvz. Of course in some situations in tvp its viable. When protoss is doing some 2 base all in it can work. The reason why it doesn't work for tvz is not because that its ling proof. Its because by the time you finish it making your depots at the regular timing it won't be finished in time if zergs make zerglings. If you build them in advance its going to cut on your timings which is against the whole purpose of the wall in the first place. What is the purpose of a wallin? Its so you can lay off on defense such as a bunker and even rines. To actually complete a 3 depot wall you will have to make rines which then you won't need the wall in. It just makes your nat smaller and causes it to be easier to harass.



On top of this, a ling proof wall is also marine proof and will lead you to funneling when you leave making ling surrounds or lurkers a pita to deal with.

He told me he was A+ in a pm.

The 1st one is good but id probably not use it cause it looks like one of htose AI fuck up wall ins, the 2nd one id use though, mostly cause its just a nice clean zealot proof wall

the ones at the natural..just no
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Rikstah
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia126 Posts
October 12 2010 09:52 GMT
#15
A+ rank? hehe
Thors before Whores man
mia-X17
Profile Joined May 2010
23 Posts
October 12 2010 18:55 GMT
#16
yea he made A+ on tsl.idra
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