RISING League

DuncanIdaho

United States465 Posts

September 17 2010 17:10 GMT

(I'd like to extend credit to FlowandEbb of http://www.youtube.com/user/HybridFlowStarcraft for creating this awesome banner) Also, an official website has been created by the same guy for this: http://risingleague.tk/

Greetings!

Several people whom were in the Rising Cup #2, have come together to start a league which will span over 13 weeks this Fall of 2010.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150563

The Rising Cup, created by Karliath, is meant to give a competitive arena for gold, silver, and bronze players in StarCraft2, amongst the teamliquid community, to build their skills. I competed in it myself, won my first round, but lost the second and was out of the tournament. I watched the rest of the matches, and had a lot of fun, but several of us wanted a little bit more...

Thus, I've decided, with the assistance of several others who've posted in the forum linked above, to start a league, the RISING League, in which we all play 2 rounds of Bo3 against every player through a weekly season system, uploading replays and learning about our opponents as it goes, with the best four seeding into the finals.

Each week, players will have a 1v1 "best of 3" (Bo3) round against 2 different opponents (two rounds, 4-6 games). We invite you all to watch our replays, discuss, as we all learn to become better gamers.

Competitors are:
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rank (from random numbers), b.net id, race, league, random number (for determining rank), (tl.net id), confirmed?

1 Gabeski.640

Gold 0.16259 (Gabeski) confirmed
2 chromatose.797

gold 0.25688 (driftme) confirmed
3 Shortys.599

gold 0.26954 (Shortys) confirmed
4 Zekee.964

Silver 0.34784 (Zekee) confirmed
5 David.197

Gold 0.34966 (TechDeft) confirmed
6 DuncanIdaho.554

gold 0.46926 (DuncanIdaho) confirmed
7 RaptorZ.632

Bronze 0.52636 (Raptorz) confirmed
8 Hayako.686

gold 0.53765 (Hayako) confirmed
9 Fluffy.374

bronze 0.63510 (Fluffy1) confirmed
10 nyrves.299

gold 0.67046 (Sevryn) confirmed
11 River

gold 0.75455 (Karliath) confirmed
12 PointyBagels.761

gold 0.79640 (PointyBagels) confirmed
13 reallyangry.948

gold 0.91124 (HolySpear) confirmed
14 Gemini.302

silver 0.97824 ( NexRex) confirmed

Above, I assigned a random number to each player, ranked them in ascending order, and this determines their season line-up.

Season line-up:
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W1......W2.....W3......W4......W5......W6......W7....W8......W9.......W10...W11....W12....W13 1v2......1v3.....1v4.......1v5.......1v6......1v7.....1v8.....1v9.....1v10.....1v11....1v12....1v13....1v14
2v3......2v4.....2v5.......2v6.......2v7......2v8.....2v9.....2v10....2v11.....2v12 2v13....2v14....14v13
3v4......3v5.....3v6.......3v7.......3v8......3v9.....3v10...3v11....3v12.....3v13...3v14....14v12...13v12
4v5......4v6.....4v7.......4v8.......4v9.....4v10....4v11....4v12...4v13.....4v14...14v11..13v11...12v11
5v6......5v7.....5v8.......5v9.......5v10...5v11....5v12....5v13...5v14.....14v10..13v10..12v10..11v10
6v7......6v8.....6v9.......6v10.....6v11....6v12....6v13....6v14..14v9.....13v9....12v9....11v9....10v9
7v8......7v9.....7v10.....7v11.....7v12....7v13....7v14....14v8..13v8.....12v8....11v8....10v8....9v8
8v9......8v10...8v11.....8v12.....8v13....8v14....14v7....13v7..12v7.....11v7....10v7....9v7......8v7
9v10....9v11...9v12.....9v13.....9v14....14v6....13v6....12v6..11v6.....10v6....9v6......8v6......7v6
10v11..10v12..10v13...10v14...14v5....13v5....12v5....11v5..10v5.....9v5......8v5......7v5......6v5
11v12..11v13..11v14...14v4.....13v4....12v4....11v4....10v4..9v4.......8v4......7v4......6v4.....5v4
12v13..12v14..14v3.....13v3.....12v3....11v3....10v3....9v3....8v3......7v3......6v3......5v3......4v3
13v14..14v2....13v2.....12v2.....11v2....10v2....9v2.....8v2....7v2......6v2......5v2......4v2......3v2
14v1....13v1....12v1.....11v1.....10v1....9v1......8v1.....7v1....6v1.....5v1......6v1.......3v1......2v1

As you can see, there are 14 players, 2 games per player per week, for a total of 13 weeks. Maps will be from the 1v1 ladder Blizzard pool plus Incineration Zone (1v1 map from the Beta I loved) and Crossfire (Blizzard made, nice map, butnot officially ladder map yet), and each week will have a preset 1st map, and the winner can veto one map in the next round, followed by the loser picking from the map pool any that were not vetoed.

So, selectable/veto-able maps are:

Lost Temple
Desert Oasis (new version with rocks at natural expansion)
Metalopolis
Scrap Station
Kulas Ravine
XelNaga Caverns
Delta Quadrant
Steppes of War
Blistering Sands
Crossfire
Incineration Zone
Jungle Basin
Shakuras Plateau

Weekly first maps:
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Week1: Lost Temple
Week2:Desert Oasis
Week3:Metalopolis
Week4:Scrap Station
Week5: Kulas Ravine
Week6: XelNaga Caverns
Week7: Delta Quadrant
Week8:Steppes of War
Week9:Blistering Sands
Week10:Crossfire
Week11: Incineration Zone
Week12:Jungle Basin
Week13:Shakuras Plateau

Finals:
3v4: Blistering Sands
Xv2: Lost Temple
Xv1:Metalopolis

Each week, players will have two running scores that are updated based upon their performance. First, there will be number of rounds won. This will determine who seeds and the seating into the finals. For tie breakers, there will be a points system:
win= +4 points
loss= -1 point
tie= 0 points (and yes, I realize this is highly unlikely, but not impossible, as perhaps both players have a nexus, no minerals, and no units to kill off the opponent)

This system is meant to reward those who have better win:loss ratios, in the case of a tie breaker, such that assume 2 players both win 25 games, one won them 2-0, the other 2-1. They'll have the same # rounds won, but the 2-0 player crushed his opponents more, and will suffer less from the -1 point penalty for losing a game.

If a further tie breaker is necessary, perhaps the two players can compete in a sudden death Bo1, but we'll cross that bridge if need be once we get there.

For the finals, the 3rd and 4th ranked players will square off in a Bo5, and then the winner will play the 2nd ranked person in a Bo5, and the winner of that will play the 1st ranked person in a Bo5 for the championship. Prize money is still be worked on, and it may or may not happen, but the idea is to award 50% of the pool to the winner, 25% to the 2nd place, and 12.5% to 3rd and 4th place, each. Regardless, these people will have bragging rights, be casted, and have their replays to showcase their talents.

FlowandEbb and Hybrid will be casting games as they are uploaded, and a few others of us may help them with the load.

Week 1 begins ***Edit: was this Sunday, but due to the upcoming patch, Tuesday once maintainance is done, due to the potential of 1st week matches being imbalanced in comparison to later season games which will be inevitably post-patch***, and I'll be sending out confirmation PMs to all interested players, and they have 48 hours from now to respond (11am Friday 9/17/2010, central standard time, till 11am Sunday 9/19/2010 CST). There are a few alternates, in case of dropouts, but hopefully that will not be an issue.

I'll be posting replays and recapping game outcomes in this thread, so stay tuned!

~DuncanIdaho

Week1 results: (1st map LT)
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1Gabeski

vs 2Hybrid

2-0

3FlowandEbb

vs 2Hybrid

0-2

3FlowandEbb

vs 4 PlusMinus

0-2

4 PlusMinus

vs 5 David

1-2

5 David

vs 6 DuncanIdaho

2-1
1:Lost temple: David
2:Steppes of War:DuncanIdaho
3:BlisteringSands:David

6 DuncanIdaho

vs 7 Bobhlead

2-0
1:Lost temple:Duncan Idaho
2:Metalopolis: DuncanIdaho

7 Bobhlead

vs 8 Hayako

2-0

8 Hayako

vs 9 Fluffy

1-2
1:Lost temple: Fluffy
2:Metalopolis: Hayako
3:XelNaga Caverns: Fluffy
replays: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9735883

9 Fluffy

vs 10 Nyrves

1-2

10 Nyrves

vs 11 Ellisandre

2-0
1:Lost temple: Nyrves
2:Steppes of War: Nyrves

replays:http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9738513

11 Ellisandre

vs 12 PointyBagels

unfinished?... Ellisandre is purported to be AWOL...

12 PointyBagels

vs 13 reallyangry

0-2

13 reallyangry

vs 14 Chris

1-2
1:Lost temple: Chris
2:Metalopolis: RA
3:Steppes:Chris

14Chris

vs1Gabeski

2-1

Week2 results: (1st map DO)
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1Gabeski

vs 3FlowandEbb

1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

2Hybrid

vs 4 PlusMinus

1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

3FlowandEbb

vs 5 David

2-0

4 PlusMinus

vs 6 DuncanIdaho

?? plusminus where are you?!
1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

5 David

vs 7 Bobhlead

2-0
1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

6 DuncanIdaho

vs 8 Hayako

1-2
1:Desert Oasis: Duncan
2:Xel'Naga Caverns: Hayako
3:Scrap Station: Hayako

7 Bobhlead

vs 9 Fluffy

2-0
1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

8 Hayako

vs 10 Nyrves

0-2

9 Fluffy

vs 11 Ellisandre

1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

10 Nyrves

vs 12 PointyBagels

2-0

11 Ellisandre

vs 13 reallyangry

1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

12 PointyBagels

vs 14Chris

0-2

14Chris

vs 2Hybrid

0-2
1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

13 reallyangry

vs 1Gabeski

1:Lost temple:
2:veto:..... chosen:....:
3:veto:..... chosen:....:
replays:

Week3 results: (1st map Metal)
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1Gabeski

vs 4 PlusMinus

2Hybrid

vs 5 David

3FlowandEbb

vs 6 DuncanIdaho

0-2

4 PlusMinus

vs 7 Bobhlead

5 David

vs 8 Hayako

0-2

6 DuncanIdaho

vs 9 Fluffy

2-0
Metalopolis:Duncan
Lost Temple:Duncan

7 Bobhlead

vs 10 Nyrves

1-2

8 Hayako

vs 11 Karliath

9 Fluffy

vs 12 PointyBagels

10 Nyrves

vs 13 reallyangry

11 Karliath

vs 14 Chris

14Chris

vs 3FlowandEbb

13 reallyangry

vs 2Hybrid

12 PointyBagels

vs 1Gabeski

Week4 results: (1st map SS)
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1Gabeski

vs 5 David

2 Chromatose

vs 6 DuncanIdaho

3 Shortys

vs 7 RaptorZ

2-0

4 PlusMinus

vs 8 Hayako

5 David

vs 9 Fluffy

6 DuncanIdaho

vs 10 Nyrves

0-2

7 RaptorZ

vs 11 Karliath

8 Hayako

vs 12 PointyBagels

9 Fluffy

vs 13 reallyangry

10 Nyrves

vs 14 Gemini

14 Gemini

vs 4 PlusMinus

13 reallyangry

vs 3 Shortys

12 PointyBagels

vs 2 Chromatose

11 Karliath

vs 1 Gabeski

Week5 results: (1st map KR)
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1Gabeski

vs 6 DuncanIdaho

2 Chromatose

vs 7 RaptorZ

3 Shortys

vs 8 Hayako

4 Zekee.964

vs 9 Fluffy

5 David

vs 10 Nyrves

6 DuncanIdaho

vs 11 Karliath

7 RaptorZ

vs 12 PointyBagels

8 Hayako

vs 13 reallyangry

9 Fluffy

vs 14 Gemini

14 Gemini

vs 5 David

13 reallyangry

vs 4 Zekee.964

12 PointyBagels

vs 3 Shortys

11 Karliath

vs 2 Chromatose

10 Nyrves

vs 1 Gabeski

Replays are to be sent from each official game, to: bchaney at psychology dot ou dot edu
(My apologies for the format not being copy&pasteable, but i did that to avoid the webcrawling spammer programs, and I suggest you guys do the same if you ever post email addresses on forums open to the public.)

I'll be forwarding to FlowandEbb/L1f3(Hybrid) the replays as well, and they're free to cast any they see fit. And Stoids, if you're interested still, I can send you some files as well. However, for the finals, we may need to consider a live cast and an official time for the games as it gets closer. I'm tempted to make the finals a 3 nighter, so one Bo5 per night, such that everyone can watch and still get their sleep.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

September 17 2010 17:29 GMT

RisingLeague.tk is the website, will be complete with Bios and absence soon.

TechDeft

United States211 Posts

September 17 2010 17:44 GMT

Damn I never even saw a thread about this! Any chance of expanding the scope? You could use two more to make it a round 16.

If so...

David.197 Z

DuncanIdaho

United States465 Posts

September 17 2010 19:02 GMT

On September 18 2010 02:44 TechDeft wrote:
Damn I never even saw a thread about this! Any chance of expanding the scope? You could use two more to make it a round 16.

If so...

David.197 Z

Oooo... a Zerg... We hardly have any Zerg... Perhaps, what's your league (gold,silver,bronze)?

DuncanIdaho

United States465 Posts

September 17 2010 20:43 GMT

It's been requested to add crossfire:
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and debris field:
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to the map pool, and I think I'll add them. I'd like all of the first maps to be different, but that would require 16 maps, yet with these 2 plus the 9 Blizz 1v1, that's only 11. So, if you guys have any suggestions, I'll definitely consider. Not only will these maps be seen as potential first maps, but they will be eligible for loser's pick and winner's veto, as well.

Any suggestions?

Karliath

United States2214 Posts

September 17 2010 21:43 GMT

On September 18 2010 04:02 DuncanIdaho wrote:

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Oooo... a Zerg... We hardly have any Zerg... Perhaps, what's your league (gold,silver,bronze)?

He played in the first RISING Cup.

Karliath

United States2214 Posts

September 17 2010 21:44 GMT

On September 17 2010 23:29 DuncanIdaho wrote:

Also, Karliath, I was curious, what software are you using to make that cast? Looked like a good start, but I'm not sure how to do the voice over, the banner hiding the game length bar, etc. I'm assuming you're using fraps? In any case, just let me know so that I can work on my casting as well.

On the point system, I was reconsidering the system for deciding who gets into the finals. Obviously, the top 4 players get in. Orignially, number of rounds won is the first deciding factor. Then, points based on win:loss through the games within the rounds, ie win=3,loss=0, tie=1. I thought of a scenario that would arrise from this which isnt exactly fair. If say, Mission won several rounds at 2-0, while I won several rounds at 2-1, we would have the same number of round wins, and points, however Mission crushed his opponents while i skirted by somehow. I'm thinking losses should hurt us in some way. Perhaps now, wins should be +4 points, and losses should be -1, and ties, we'll just keep at +1, not that i foresee them happening, though. In this case, all my -1's for the lost games will show up when comparing our scores, thus giving credit where credit is due.

I just read your idea for a sub-system. How come wins get +4 and losses only get -1? Shouldn't they be weighed equally?

As for maps, I say we predetermine the first map, and then winner vetos a map first, and loser picks from the remaining 1v1 maps. I'm tempted to simply say Lost Temple, Blistering Sands, Desert Oasis, Scrap Station, Metalopolis, XelNaga Caverns, Delta Quadrant, Steppes of War, Kulas Ravine (essentially the 1v1 Blizz maps. Am I leaving any out?) and how about this(note: both bo3's per week use the same setup):

weekly first maps:

Week1: Lost Temple
Week2:Desert Oasis
Week3:Metalopolis
Week4:Scrap Station
Week5: Kulas Ravine
Week6: XelNaga Caverns
Week7: Delta Quadrant
Week8:Steppes of War
Week9:Blistering Sands
Week10:Lost Temple
Week11: Blistering Sands
Week12:Kulas Ravine
Week13:Steppes of War

Finals:
3v4: Scrap Station
Xv2: Desert Oasis
Xv1:Metalopolis

~Duncan Idaho

I am using Camtasia Studio, which just happens to be on my computer for some reason. I do record screen + mic + system sound at the same time. I use Irfanview or something for the banner.

As for points, I still prefer the 3,1,0 method. Keep in mind that this is for the entire Bo3. This also means that, unless you win, tie, then lose, or tie all three games, it's extremely hard to get that 1 point.

You bring up the point that a person who consistently wins 2-0 should not hold the same position as someone who wins 2-1. In soccer, there is something called a goal difference where the number of goals you conceded over the season is subtracted from the number of goals you score to create a "goal difference," sort of like a subscore to settle points ties. I think the same method can be used here. The first player would get a "win difference" of +2, and the second player would only get a win difference of +1.

While I don't ever want to play on Desert Oasis, I think that this is a fair method. Perhaps we could take it out of the semi-finals though. I find scrap station in the quarter-finals to also be a little iffy, but wtv. As you pointed out, they are Bo5s anyways. Perhaps we should create a poll.

I'm fine with Crossfire being in the map-pool, although I hope we can get a little bit more input before it is actually added. After all, there are plenty of good maps that could potentially be added.

I outrightly (not a word

) refuse to play on an island map, however, because it just isn't balance. It's particularly bad against zerg.

I don't want to get into it too much, but let's see what a zerg player can do. For attacking units, the zerg player will have nothing but mutalisks for quite a while. These mutalisks won't be able to attack anyone, as the other races can mass up lower tier ground units that are good against air by the time the two groups face off. The two other races also have more air options in the beginning that can counter extremely effectively. The only way the zerg player can get expansions is by using a nydus worm or doing overlord drops. Nydus worms are so easy to kill that they aren't really going to get anywhere. In addition, ventral sacs take a long time to research. Worst of all is that you can't do anything with the hatchery while it is researching. No tech, no queens. This is a major problem. Essentially, the zerg player is forced to play on one base for too long. Brood lord will not come out in time for anything.

"Maps will be from the 1v1 Blizzard pool"
- If we are adding crossfire this should be changed.

- Profile to be completed shortly.
- Should replays be sent to DuncanIdaho or HybridFlow?

Hoku

United States129 Posts

September 17 2010 21:46 GMT

Props love to see others helping out the community.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

September 17 2010 21:53 GMT

Crossfire is a blizzard map that's probably going to be added to the ladder pool in the next patch.

Stoids

United States636 Posts

September 17 2010 22:09 GMT

#10

Willing to help out with casting here, just let me know when you need me.

Rocko

Canada31 Posts

September 17 2010 22:18 GMT

#11

if yas decide to expand the amount of people I would love to sign up I was in both Rising cups

Karliath

United States2214 Posts

September 17 2010 22:18 GMT

#12

On September 18 2010 07:09 Stoids wrote:
Willing to help out with casting here, just let me know when you need me.

You want to cast replays?

Karliath

United States2214 Posts

September 17 2010 22:19 GMT

#13

A senior in high school, I am currently 18 years old. I have been living in Irvine, the Blizzard HQ, for the past three years. Originally from Taipei, I moved to Shanghai at the start of middle school, and then moved to the States for high school. My current role is balancing Starcraft 2 with my college applications and other extracurricular activities.

I entered the gaming world slowly, as my parents resigned to the reality that my growing interest in video games could not be stopped. Ironically, it was their attempt to make me “read better books” that led me to my pursue gaming in order to satisfy my fantasy and science fiction needs. Since then, I have become an avid gamer, with RPGs being my favorite genre.

Starcraft has always been something special for me. When I picked it up in third grade, I never sleep at my bedtime for the rest of the year. Playing as Zerg, I was so terrible that I couldn’t even beat the computer. My interest never waned, however, and now Starcraft 2 is out. Playing as Protoss, my goal is to make it as a solid high platinum player. Nevertheless, I will always be aiming for the diamonds!

http://i53.tinypic.com/2vagsb7.jpg

(Btw: I actually turn 18 in two weeks, but I figured that it would probably be easiest just to list myself as being 18 right now.)

flowandebb

Canada158 Posts

September 17 2010 22:59 GMT

#14

Karliath you have been added to the website.

Also @ DuncanIdaho, ICCup melee maps are fantastic. Also, I am going to die on Debris Field. Zerg screw up so hard on island maps.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

September 18 2010 00:15 GMT

#15

I'm an awesome Protoss player who is 3.8729833462074168851792653997824 to the power of 2 years old (I'm 15). Basically, I play Starcraft 2, A LOT of Basketball, and I'm fairly interested in programming (But don't test me, I'm just starting.) I live in Canada, in Calgary, AB, and FlowAndEbb is my co-casting partner and twin.

Right now, I'm interested in getting better in Starcraft, hopefully in to the Diamond League (One can hope), programming TI-Basic to eventually make some games for my calculator to share with my friends, and shotting 20 000 shots by Novemebr 8th. I'm also working on getting HybridFlowStarcraft on Youtube up, running well, and with n00bs helping n00bs!

I dislike rushes with a passion (I think it's cause I literally never put up cannons), which is why I am vetoeing Steppes of War from the map list during the tournament. I'm trying to get in to the standard HuK build which is a 2 gate robo, but i'm not afraid of trying something new to mess with my opponent's strategy. I'm the proud leader of a n00b clan: WaW, or We Are the Walrus, which I obtained the leader position by a winning a tournament between hopefuls. I lost in the first round of the RISING cup #2, but don't expect anything easy!

http://img828.imageshack.us/i/23872809.png/

My awesome paint auto-portrait.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

September 18 2010 00:19 GMT

#16

Also, this might solve our limited map problem, I'm guessing they will be adding some maps. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/785430#blog

YAY! PATCH!

Karliath

United States2214 Posts

September 18 2010 01:11 GMT

#17

On September 18 2010 09:15 L1F3 wrote:
I'm an awesome Protoss player who is 3.8729833462074168851792653997824 to the power of 2 years old (I'm 15). Basically, I play Starcraft 2, A LOT of Basketball, and I'm fairly interested in programming (But don't test me, I'm just starting.) I live in Canada, in Calgary, AB, and FlowAndEbb is my co-casting partner and twin.

Right now, I'm interested in getting better in Starcraft, hopefully in to the Diamond League (One can hope), programming TI-Basic to eventually make some games for my calculator to share with my friends, and shotting 20 000 shots by Novemebr 8th. I'm also working on getting HybridFlowStarcraft on Youtube up, running well, and with n00bs helping n00bs!

I dislike rushes with a passion (I think it's cause I literally never put up cannons), which is why I am vetoeing Steppes of War from the map list during the tournament. I'm trying to get in to the standard HuK build which is a 2 gate robo, but i'm not afraid of trying something new to mess with my opponent's strategy. I'm the proud leader of a n00b clan: WaW, or We Are the Walrus, which I obtained the leader position by a winning a tournament between hopefuls. I lost in the first round of the RISING cup #2, but don't expect anything easy!

http://img828.imageshack.us/i/23872809.png/

My awesome paint auto-portrait.

You talk in SC2 font! That's amazing.

flowandebb

Canada158 Posts

September 18 2010 01:15 GMT

#18

Am I allowed to play Terran against 'toss and Zerg against everyone else?

Karliath

United States2214 Posts

September 18 2010 01:20 GMT

#19

On September 18 2010 10:15 flowandebb wrote:
Am I allowed to play Terran against 'toss and Zerg against everyone else?

No, we need to limit it to one race.