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There have been polls about balance before, but I think many of us would be interested in seeing what the TL community thinks about the balance for the individual matchups. Is Blizzard doing a good job with all of the matchups? Which are the most balanced?
Poll: TvZ isTerran-favored (1194) 72% Fairly balanced (328) 20% Zerg-favored (128) 8% 1650 total votes Your vote: TvZ is (Vote): Terran-favored
(Vote): Fairly balanced
(Vote): Zerg-favored
Poll: TvP isFairly balanced (653) 47% Terran-favored (563) 40% Protoss-favored (185) 13% 1401 total votes Your vote: TvP is (Vote): Terran-favored
(Vote): Fairly balanced
(Vote): Protoss-favored
Poll: ZvP isFairly balanced (888) 63% Protoss-favored (295) 21% Zerg-favored (218) 16% 1401 total votes Your vote: ZvP is (Vote): Zerg-favored
(Vote): Fairly balanced
(Vote): Protoss-favored
And as a bonus poll:
Poll: Which matchup is the most fun?ZvP (689) 52% TvP (262) 20% TvZ (222) 17% ZvZ (55) 4% TvT (52) 4% PvP (45) 3% 1325 total votes Your vote: Which matchup is the most fun? (Vote): TvZ
(Vote): TvP
(Vote): ZvP
(Vote): TvT
(Vote): ZvZ
(Vote): PvP
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sweet poll. It would be nice to see the difference between the three server regions.
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As shown, the swarm needs a strong new leader! Can i recommend Artosis?
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At this stage I really think Terran is too good and Protoss and Zerg are about right. There was a poll at the end of phase 1 asking which race you thought was the most powerful and Terran had gotten 400 votes while Protoss had 80 and Zerg had 70.
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Just like the previous poll showed, the general public has no idea wtf it's talking about.
TvZ is Z favored atm (tank nerfs, continuous ultra buffs, fungal growth = rofl)
TvP is T favored.
ZvP is Z favored again.
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I think that TvZ is the only matchup that really needs fixing. With the numerous suggestions that tank smart AI should be taken out, I think it would make TvZ at least somewhat more balanced without having a huge impact on TvP. It simply means you'll have to have better tank control, which isn't a bad thing.
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Man I sure do love OPINIONS threads.
Anyways heres what I think...
My Race v T, T favoured
My Race v Z, Z favoured
My Race v P, P favoured
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I think people thinking terran is favored is largely due to no one being close to mastering this game, so they listen to the pros like IdrA who keep saying that terran is favored. That being said, if IdrA says that Zerg v Mech is impossible, something is wrong with the game.
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ZvZ and ZvP are very fun matchups (zvz on certain maps, on some not, these which allow roach play are pretty good) and quite balanced (yea zvz can't be imba  ). ZvP is cool, because there are quite much strats viable for both sides, scouting matters, both sides can apply pressure and there are no big imbas. ZvT is pretty hard from zerg perspective, either because of lack of good strats developed or because of terran imbaness. I won't judge, it's too early to tell.
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another thread where terran haters can post their flawed opinions
everything is T favoured, nerf the tanks
i've heard even the stupidest thing: in TvT a certain T strategy is so imba ........
here we go ....... have at 'em, boys !!
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On July 14 2010 03:25 Stane wrote:
I think people thinking terran is favored is largely due to no one being close to mastering this game, so they listen to the pros like IdrA who keep saying that terran is favored. That being said, if IdrA says that Zerg v Mech is impossible, something is wrong with the game.
I have to disagree. I think people are smart enough to make their balance decisions for themselves. I expect most of these votes to be coming from personal experience.
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On July 14 2010 03:23 Sadistx wrote:
TvZ is Z favored atm (tank nerfs, continuous ultra buffs, fungal growth = rofl)
i laughed.
keep dreaming brah.
User was warned for this post
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On July 14 2010 03:25 Entropic wrote:
Man I sure do love OPINIONS threads.
Anyways heres what I think...
My Race v T, T favoured
My Race v Z, Z favoured
My Race v P, P favoured
Pretty much the same here .
On a more serious note, I do think that TvZ is Z favored... ofc this is coming from a terran player lol. Fungal growth is just so ridiculous to deal with if you go bio, while ultras are nasty if you go mech... not very fun at all. I think T>P and that TvT is a horrible matchup to play...but its better than PvP so I'll stick to terran. I LOOOOOVE TvP though, so much fun to watch massive mmm balls go against massive protoss warpgate/collossi/temp balls and seeing the terrible terrible damage XD. Its great fun to play too...macro mode FTW.
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I think entropic has a good point, we all tend to feel like the other opponent has the advantage. As a protoss, I play very few times against terrans. On the US server, I mostly play against zergs, could this be contributing to the majority opinion that terrans > all other races.
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I was a pure T player through Phase 1, got up to the top of diamond but I was in an easy division, so it was probably like top 20 diamond. All I heard from everyone was how OP T is against everything, in particular protoss, so I decided to switch races to P for phase 2. I'm at the top of diamond again, and I've won over 90% of my PvT's so far, I only lost a PvT in placement matches. (Lost a lot of PvZ's, but I have no build for that M/U t.t)
In my experience most of the people complaining about OP's haven't tried to learn the other race. You don't realise how effective it is to force the MM ball to stim and then run away, until its been done to you. Or how effective infestors are vs any T build until your watch your entire army get abused and annihilated by it.
OP threads are silly.
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I play Zerg:
TvZ: Terran favoured
I am definatly not saying that terran is overpowered, but with the power of mech (I am not gonna go as far to say that it is op, but it just a very strong solid playstyle that is troublesome for Z).
And the tons and tons of openings and things that T can throw at you + maps as LT/kulas/incineration zone.
So yes, favoured towards terran, but other maps + minor adjustments could really throw it back into the Z's favour.
TvP/TvT/PvP I have no idea on on how the balance is, and in the case of the mirror how "fun" those are.
ZvP: I would say fairly balanced.
ZvZ: Still undecided, I am glad that it isn't all roach/hydra but I also dislike blings + ling/bling/muta 80% of the time just ends up in a big mess. Overall still fun, but it could use some help on the bling part.
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I would say Terran is the strongest overall.. Don't know if I would say "overpowered", but playing against terran is always scary... Never a moment where I scout and say "Oh, I can deal with that no problem"
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I have to say the poll is pretty much as I though. ZvP is very good right now. ZvZ used to be one of my favorite matchups, but well those days are gone
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On July 14 2010 03:33 silveryms wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 03:25 Stane wrote:
I think people thinking terran is favored is largely due to no one being close to mastering this game, so they listen to the pros like IdrA who keep saying that terran is favored. That being said, if IdrA says that Zerg v Mech is impossible, something is wrong with the game. I have to disagree. I think people are smart enough to make their balance decisions for themselves. I expect most of these votes to be coming from personal experience.
people were talking about imballances even before they had a chance to try out the game
even b4 the beta started
just based on some opinions of some dudes playing the alpha version at BlizzCon
remember the 10-pool-queen imba discussions?
a few other examples are :
2 rax marauders imba
2 proxy gates-zealots imba
TL staff had to announce that any1 announcing some kind of imba strategy without proof will be banned
About IdrA, old fans will remember him from saying similar crap in SC1: in TvP, DT drop is unbeatable
Right now Flash sweeps the floor with any1 as a terran in SC1:BW
Right now Sen sweeps the floor with any1 as a zerg in SC2:beta(even before the tank dmg nerf to 50)
look at the facts, people, there is only skill
it's the player who wins the game, not the race
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Tester also said he believes that Terran is too strong in an interview with artosis that was taken around the end of beta phase 1, but his opinion may have changed since then...
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