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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 10 2004 00:05 GMT
#1
( all of the info in this post is thanks to Aficionado, coach of Team POS )

OGN has its Challenge League, Duel Tournament and Starleague. MBCGame has its Major and Minor leagues. So what does iTV have to compete against these famous and popular tournaments? iTV has the iTV Ranking League .

16 players compete in the iTV Ranking League. The League can be divided into 3 "phases": 2 group phases followed by a kind of sequential ladder. Because this final phase resembles a single pass of the "Bubble Sort" algorithm from bottom to top (computer science people will know what this is), and because I don't know what its proper name is, I will refer to it as the Bubble Sort ladder phase . If you have no idea what I just said, then never fear: all will be explained below .

Phase 1: Initial Groups

First, our 16 contestants are divided into 4 groups of 4. 4 matches are played as follows:

(a) P1 v P2
(b) P3 v P4
(c) loser(a) v loser(b)
(d) winner(a) v winner(b)

These 4 matches are used to generate a ranking of the 4 group players:

4th = loser(c)
3rd = winner(c)
2nd = loser(d)
1st = winner(d)

After this phase is complete, we have 4 groups of 4 sorted players.

Phase 2: Second Groups

Next, we take the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place finishers in each group and place them in new groups:

Group 1 = SUM(1st place of each group)
Group 2 = SUM(2nd place of each group)
Group 3 = SUM(3rd place of each group)
Group 4 = SUM(4th place of each group)

Now we have 4 new groups of 4. These players will now play 4 new series of matches, presumably in the same format as the previous group phase. After this phase is complete, these new groups will be sorted into ranks 1st-4th. The result of these two phases is that all 16 players have been sorted into 16 different ranks.

Phase 3: Bubble Sort ladder

Phases 1 and 2 have produced a ladder of 16 players on 16 different ranks. These ranks can be summarized as:

Rank # = result from phase 1; result from phase 2

01 = 1st; 1st
02 = 1st; 2nd
03 = 1st; 3rd
04 = 1st; 4th

05 = 2nd; 1st
06 = 2nd; 2nd
07 = 2nd; 3rd
08 = 2nd; 4th

09 = 3rd; 1st
10 = 3rd; 2nd
11 = 3rd; 3rd
12 = 3rd; 4th

13 = 4th; 1st
14 = 4th; 2nd
15 = 4th; 3rd
16 = 4th; 4th

At this point, the equivalent of one pass of the Bubble Sort algorithm is run on the rankings to shuffle the (theoretically) best player to the #1 spot. This player will then be the winner of the entire league. In other words, the games in this last phase will be played as follows:

16 v 15
winner of previous v 14
winner of previous v 13
winner of previous v 12
...
winner of previous v 3
winner of previous v 2
winner of previous v 1 => league champion

Some implications of this format:
- After reaching this final phase, the player who has achieved rank 1 needs to defeat only ONE other opponent in the finals to be the league champion.
- By contrast, the players ranked 15th and 16th must defeat FIFTEEN (15!) opponents in order to win the league.
- The 4 unfortunate players who placed 4th in the initial group phase (which has already been played) cannot end up any higher than 12th place for phase 3, meaning that they'll have a looong way to go if they want to be the league champion. Yellow's in this situation, so if he aims for the top then we can look forward to many Yellow matches in this league .

For the results of phase 1, see my previous topic: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=13450

I'll try to keep reporting the results of the iTV matches for as long as I have broadband (i.e. until Sept.), after which point I'll have to keep asking Aficionado or someone else for the results .
pinbaLL
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden1711 Posts
May 10 2004 00:18 GMT
#2
Nicely written, I understood!!
- Evergrey - This is a fucking British flag, and these colours dont fucking run! - Bruce Dickinson
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
May 10 2004 00:59 GMT
#3
i understood too! super cool format, it's like mortal kombat it in the end!!
DANCE ALL DAY
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-10 02:07:05
May 10 2004 01:12 GMT
#4
Ohhh yeah, I remember that!

CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY! And when you get up to rank 5, it'll (probably) be Mortaro aka iloveoov .

Edit: actually no, iloveoov can't get any higher than 9th T_T.

Good analogy .
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
May 10 2004 01:23 GMT
#5
insane format soooooooo sexy ^_^
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 10 2004 02:09 GMT
#6
Oh, I should post the current status of the league:

Entering phase 2, the new groups are going to be as follows:

Group 1 (spots 1-4): JulyZerg, s.s.m.~Silver, ggon, [Oops]Reach
Group 2 (spots 5-8): Chojja, SuMa_Black, Silent_Control, SC_Side
Group 3 (spots 9-12): TheWind, Oversky, Jju, iloveoov
Group 4 (spots 13-16): fOru, TheMarine, ogogo, Yellow
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 10 2004 04:53 GMT
#7
are the games from rank 16-1 gonna be best of 3 or just 1 match.
We decide our own destiny
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 10 2004 05:07 GMT
#8
I don't know T_T.
4.Aiur
Profile Joined October 2002
United States995 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-11 03:59:46
May 11 2004 03:57 GMT
#9
I'm sorry, but the method of sorting 1-16 is just gay.

In round 1, if you win your first game and lose your second, you are sorted higher than if you lose your first and win your second.

So, if you lose your first game and win your second, the highest seed you could conceivably attain is #9. Then, you'd have to win 9 in a row to win the championship.

And, if you win your first and lose your second, you could attain a #5 seed and only have to win 5 games.

Plus, even though this "Bubble Ladder" format sounds cool, it's basically going to be impossible for you to win if you lose your VERY FIRST game. You may as well just eliminate all those players right off the bat. NOBODY wins 9 games in a row against other progamers (well, hardly nobody).

It would be better if you just played your two games, then "Bubble Up" in each individual group to determine a group winner. Then have each group winner make up a final group of 4 and repeat. It decreases the total games played from 47 to 35...but frankly, more than 12 of those 47 games are meaningless, because (like I said) NO ONE is going to climb from the #9 seed or above to win. So, basically the 4 losers matches played in Round 1 are meaningless. All 8 of the games played in Groups 3 and 4 in Round 2 are meaningless. And, the first 7 games of the "Bubble Ladder Final Round" are meaningless. That's a minimum (because I highly doubt even a 5-8 seed will win) of 19 meaningless games out of the 47 played in this tournament.

Also, my way would make it so that one loss wouldn't eliminate you essentially. You could conceivably climb the ladder in any group from 3/4 to win it.

I reserve my right to gripe further at a later date.
I have returned.
Adamthegreat
Profile Joined February 2003
Sweden1179 Posts
May 11 2004 04:27 GMT
#10
I really hope it is best of 3 in the "bubble" phase of the tournament. Else anybody below rank 9 can consider themselves more or less fucked up already
-_-v
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-11 05:01:49
May 11 2004 04:57 GMT
#11
The only person we could think of that would climb from 16th rank to 1st rank would be nada, the rest of the people at the bottom are fucked. Auir is right, too much emphasis was placed on winning the first two matches.

i mean look at the top 4 players right now, excluding reach, none of them actually deserve to win any type of leagues, and with their positioning system, they have the highest chances of winning. How bad would it be if some noob like ggon ends up winning it. Its as if someone like mumyung won ogn.

hopefully its best of 3, and that would eliminate the 'luck' factor of some of these noobs winning it.
We decide our own destiny
4.Aiur
Profile Joined October 2002
United States995 Posts
May 11 2004 09:33 GMT
#12
On May 11 2004 13:57 Tien wrote:
Its as if someone like mumyung won ogn.

Yikes...when you put it like that, it's even feels worse.
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