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On July 18 2010 04:30 Pandain wrote: So how do we know whos mafia? You wait for them to confess that they're mafia. Or you can use PM hacks. I'm sure if you ask Bob he'll lend em to ya. | ||
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I'd much rather lynch a random person than lynch an inactive. Don't think the Mafia is retarded enough to not post, especially since almost every single TL game usually starts with the lynching of an inactive. It's just not worth the risk. | ||
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Don't really have a preference as to who we lynch Day 1 anyways. Not this late and without a concrete plan. Could lynch an inactive, but who knows? They might just get modkilled anyways, so why waste a lynch on someone who's gonna get axed later on down the road anyways? | ||
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On July 18 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote: Yeah I think we should lynch, just because isn't the mafia going to kill one of us by the next day? Then again, I'd feel horrible if I lynched a good person. I might abstain, but I'll have to see both sides first. I'll decide later. Oh ho ho. Tis all about risks and taking chances and making educated guesses. If we only lynched when we absolutely knew we'd hit a bad guy, then hell not many lynches would happen the first couple of days ever. | ||
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Gonna unabstain now that I've read the thread. ##Unvote: Abstain ##Vote: youngminii Not voting simply lets scum get off a free shot. Don't see the real reasoning behind not voting. Shit, I'd rather RNG someone than let em off the hook for Day 1. Anyways, I'd refrain from voting for someone who hasn't posted yet. Chances are they'll be modkilled within the next couple of days anyways. Why waste a lynch on someone who's gonna die later on? | ||
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Like what the hell is that? I'm gonna blindly vote, then read, then afterwards he just makes it even better by saying, "Oh, I could change my vote. But nahhhhh" | ||
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On July 20 2010 09:37 flamewheel wrote: Filter function! You know, I gotta say that this filter function does do wonders in Mafia. Too bad I'm like one of the only people who gets it in here. =( | ||
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I can dig up any post history in this thread by any user in one single click. If you ever need me to do so, I can easily replicate that for you guys. I believe you already know my stance for tonight's lynch. BrownBear's one of the shittier posters in this thread thus far. I believe his posts speak for himself thus far: On July 02 2010 09:13 BrownBear wrote: In, this will probably be the last game I play for a while (curse you job). But still, so in for this one. Also, Floridan vote rigger lol On July 17 2010 10:26 BrownBear wrote: GG GLHF all! On July 17 2010 11:05 BrownBear wrote: I like the village bonfire idea. Who brought the s'mores? On July 17 2010 11:29 BrownBear wrote: KILLMAIMBURNKILLMAIMBURNKILLMAIMBURNKILLMAIMBURNKILLMAIMBURN I mean, what? On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote: Ahhhh shti! I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote: ###Vote: Hyperbola On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote: Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. On July 19 2010 08:36 BrownBear wrote: My bad, didn't realize you could abstain. Should have done that, but at this point it's not like it really matters :/ So anyways, as you can clearly see from each of his posts, he's contributed a whopping 0 insightful comments, and also jumped on the Hyperbola bandwagon for absolutely no reason. No reasoning behind his voting at all. Didn't even read a lick. One of those "flying under the radar" hoping not to get killed, but still able to get night shots off if they're alive and scum. Also, notice the timestamps on his posts. Gone, even though we've been accusing him for the last few pages or so. Doesn't even care, isn't gonna help at all either. Hurts us more than he's helping us. I'm off to sleep, but I'll be back with more after PL is done. PS: Filter button allows me to see every post made by that user in a given thread. One click on Filter next to say Pandain's name allows me to see every single one of his 42 posts in this thread for easy reference. | ||
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On July 20 2010 11:48 d3_crescentia wrote: Wait roffles are you serious?? How does one go about attaining the power of filtering? I'm serious. Flamewheel can attest as well. As to obtaining the Filter button, you can't for now. | ||
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On July 21 2010 09:42 Subversion wrote: I've already defended this a million times now  I told you, there was noone else that looked better, and I didn't want to abstain. Sure, maybe I should've just abstained, but everyone was saying abstaining is stupid and I'm new and I didn't want to fuck up. Lol, that's gone great so far  Also, why the fuck all the attention on my vote? Someone made a great post about how Hyperbola's fate was sealed in a block of 4 or 5 votes within an hour. Why is noone looking at those people? My vote came hours afterwards, when he was already circling the drain. It seems pretty clear to me that I'm just a n00b townie jumping on a bandwagon. Why has everyone forgotten about the big group of people that STARTED the bandwagon in the 1st place? You came in with the deciding vote in the end. Hyperbola's fate wasn't sealed and he easily could have been the one still alive today and not youngminii. The person who started Hyperbola's vote train was the guy Hyperbola accused at the very beginning without reading anything. The Mafia has no reason to start a bandwagon on Day 1. No need to risk, especially when they know who's what and they have the power to pretty much bandwagon any vote at the last minute to skew it in their favor. Which brings us back to you, the deciding vote in the end. I'd say you sealed Hyperbola's fate by jumping on board late, which can very possibly be due to Mafia bandwagoning at the last moment. Also, don't bring up this noob card. No one cares if you're a noob. | ||
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As for BrownBear, I dunno really. His defense arguments seem townie enough, but I'm still wary of his vote, read, then no change on the vote tactic from Day 1. Aside from DTA's antics, I think we're on the wrong path here, but that's just a hunch. | ||
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On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: Unvote BrownBear ##Vote: Subversion Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute. Nah, I legitimately think Subversion is just a newbie who made a dumb mistake. He made a stupid blunder the last game he played, and ended up getting modkilled. However, him pulling out the newbie card himself is an alarming point to possibly take suspicion off him. Once again, I think we're going in the wrong direction. | ||
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I never voted on Day 2. I just think BrownBear played Day 1 like a moron, and that Subversion's tactics are odd/newblike, but not necessarily Mafia like. | ||
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Anyways, I'm against the BrownBear/Subversion bandwagons. I think BB played terribly Day 1, but that doesn't mean we should lynch him for his piss poor play. It's highly unlikely Mafia slips up the way he did. As for Subversion, he's in the same boat. As for lynch targets, I'll skip DTA, and vote for Chaoser simply because he seems to be pushing the BB/Subversion vote wagons pretty hard. Abstained on the first day, even though Abstaining is a rather dumb thing to do on the first day. If you search through his past, you'll see Chaoser jumping all over Subversion just for a slight slip up, as if he's searching for the tiniest hole to blame someone for. As for DTA, I have my suspicions, but I'm gonna vote for my gut instinct in Chaoser. ##Vote: Chaoser | ||
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I ain't jumping on bandwagons, I'm just simply browsing back and making observations on how the game has played out. To put it simply, I think the mistakes Subversion and BrownBear made aren't Mafia type slip ups. In fact, I highly doubt the Mafia would act that reckless or use words the way Subversion did. To me, those are just newbie mistakes made by both players, as the Mafia has no need to pull such stupid stunts. Even if someone was in danger of getting modkilled and they were Mafia, they wouldn't ever dream of pulling such a stupid stunt as "Vote first, then read, and publicly claim so". No mafia would ever risk such a thing, as it just puts way too much suspicion on them. Same goes for Subversion's slip up. So what'd I do? I went back, and browsed through everyone's post histories in this thread, and went to see who was pushing the vote boats. A few stuck out to me, but sure as hell Chaoser has done exactly what Mafia might do in such situations. Picked on word play, pounded the smallest things in order to generate a vote bandwagon. If you sift through his posts, half of them are simply vote recounts, which inflate his activity. In fact, he's been flying under the radar, and 1) abstained on Day 1, and has been pushing for Subversion's death ever since Day 2 started. | ||
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There, you outlined it yourself. You acknowledge that his little mafia mistake is just weird, yet you still cast your vote for him. It isn't something that Mafia is stupid enough to slip up on, yet you're fueling the bandwagon even though you acknowledge that it's weird and unusual, not necessarily harmful in all. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:16 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Can anyone summarize why they think chaoser is mafia? So far I haven't seen a single convincing analysis; it just looks like people are voting for him because other people are voting for him. I'm too lazy to dig up the context of these posts, but here's what I've dug up thanks to Filter. Chaoser Day 1: On July 19 2010 00:50 chaoser wrote: ##vote abstain for now, didn't want to get modkilled followed by On July 19 2010 03:46 chaoser wrote: It's already been established that not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision, why are you still pushing for it? followed by the start of BrownBear's bandwagon. On July 19 2010 09:05 chaoser wrote: So basically you just said: "lawl, i messed up/made a mistake but oh well, not going to change." Anyone else find that suspicious? Recall that post of his stating that he's gonna abstain for now only to avoid a modkill? Well, he never really changed his vote afterwards. On July 20 2010 23:02 chaoser wrote: And to be truthful, I don;t really believe that BrownBear is townie just from the way he's posting. For the first day he pretty much posts nothing and bandwagons with no real reason. When people point him out of it (that he voted before reading) he goes oh well, it doesn't matter now when it CLEARLY did, the vote ended 6-5. Then, after a whole DAY of people pointing fingers at him he decides to come in and post about vets claiming and basically giving horrible advice. I'm inclined to say he's mafia who fucked up the first day and now he's trying to play dumb townie. Also, his whole ramble about claiming is pushing us off the topic of Subversion's suspicious vote as well as his little statement about how mafia isn't really making mistakes. I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? So then he goes onto kill BB, and also think we should waste our double lynch pretty early, but when he wakes up like 7 hours later, he decides "Oh shit, don't feel like voting for BB, gonna use it on Subversion instead" On July 21 2010 06:02 chaoser wrote: Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that. Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion So if you do a little reading, you'll see that the reason why he switched over to Subversion was simply because other people were doing it. "At first, I wanted to vote BB cause everyone else was killing him. Now they're killing Subversion, so I might as well make myself comfortable and hop on as well" On July 22 2010 06:12 chaoser wrote: that's very scummy of you to say isn't it? Your suggestion gives mafia license to stack votes instead of having to worry about spreading it over different potential targets (4) right now. If later people ask, they can be like well, Pandain suggested it. And how am I more likely as mafia than DTA? Look at Pyrr's huge statement against him against the two weak points you bring against me (that I abstained after saying don't go with the no-lynch plan (which others did too) and then voted Subversion today.) If I get lynch and I flip non-red, people should carefully examine all the people who are hardcore gunning for me (Pandain, youngminii) Just an extra post that sheds a little light from Pandain's perspective. Anyways, while we're here, Chaoser to me seems like one of the big bandwagon voters in this thread, which is pretty much what Mafia likes to do. As well as a couple others, Chaoser has flopped from BB's wagon to Subversion's wagon with the excuse of "Everyone seems to be doing it, so I might as well too". First day, he gave the Abstain at first excuse in order to avoid a modkill, but never really changed his vote in the end. There are other signs as well, but the fact that he keeps pushing a couple dumb bandwagons in BB and Subversion reeks of bleh to me. Others fit this bill as well, but might as well push for Chaoser to get lynched since he's closer than other possible scum I have in mind. | ||
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Cause something someone said makes me wanna change my vote, I just wanna see how much time I have left to ponder about my decision. | ||
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