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BrownBear
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On May 12 2010 02:33 Korynne wrote: Oh gawd, all that Three Kingdoms references and stuff. Are you going to add, if Guan Yu and Cao Cao meet in battle, Guan Yu is going to let Cao Cao win? xD I'm cringing at the possibilities of all the roles here. xD Please let a role be Dian Wei, please let a role be Dian Wei, please let a role be Dian Wei... (For those of you who don't know Dian Wei, here's a mildly inaccurate, but undoubtedly badass, writeup of who he is (He is #5 on the list): http://www.cracked.com/article/197_the-7-most-badass-last-stands-in-history-battle/ | ||
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On May 18 2010 07:10 Radfield wrote: Sounds good to me Send me your armies!! For I will make this a better game! How you ask? Why by killing those tag-along, verge of getting modkilled, just post enough to get by players. Those players are BORING, and lack both sass AND pizazz. At the end of the day, we'll (I'll) figure out who the least posting and uninspired player is and swoop down to DeathStar their planet. In the unlikely event that everyone is moderately active, I will kill someone else. I'm open to suggestions. I like the way you think, sir. I throw my weight behind you! ##VOTE: RADFIELD## | ||
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On May 18 2010 14:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You didn't read the game, there is no "mafia" per se in this game. there are 4 factions competing, read the rule set. Also, jumping in on bandwagons is retarded this early on in the game. Uhh... did you not read his post? He's specifically stating that he's glad he DOESN'T have to worry about people yelling "MAFIA" because there are no mafia in this game, and he knows there are 4 factions. Perhaps you should read peoples' posts before you flame them. | ||
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Just a thought. | ||
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On May 19 2010 04:23 XeliN wrote: BrownBear catchup, same challenge to you, provide one coherent argument for why a unaligned (as most of us are) townie ought to try to vote for a suspected yellow at this stage. Otherwise there is no reason to do so and I would go back to the inactive//Abenson idea purely for reasons of game quality. The way I see it, every night, 3 people are recruited to the 3 main factions, and one is recruited to the Yellow Turbans. Naturally, there will be some overlap, occasionally two factions will try to recruit the same person and bounce, that kind of thing, but for the most part this will hold true. There are 24 people in the game, meaning that the pool of recruitable people is 20. The YT leader has a 3 in 20 chance of screwing up and getting his entire faction killed if he picks completely randomly, which he will not do, so it's fairly safe to say that he is not going to recruit a faction leader unless he gets very unlucky or reads someone completely wrong. Thus, the pool of potential recruits for each of the 3 main factions is going to decrease by 1 person a night. Now, humor me for a second, and lets run through a sample situation. For this, let's assume (even though this won't be true) that each faction leader picks a different person each night, and no two people pick the same person in one night, so 4 people are getting recruited per night. Let's also assume that each faction leader is smart and can figure out who their rivals are, so no faction leaders are picked to recruit. The first night, everyone is able to pick, no trouble, so there's one person dead from the "lynch" during the day, there are 15 unaligned, and 2 people in every faction (counting the faction leaders). The second day, let's say another unaligned person is lynched, as this is the most likely occurence. Then, another round of recruitment happens as normal, so there are 2 dead players, 11 unaligned, and 3 per faction. The third day, lets say a green guy gets lynched, as it's now more likely that someone in a faction is going to be lynched than an unaligned player. Then, at night, let's say Red tries to recruit a Yellow, so fails (I assume he gets a message saying "You cant recruit that player" or something similar), Blue recruits an unaligned, Green recruits a Blue, and Yellow recruits an unaligned. So now we have 9 unaligned players, 3 Red players, 3 Blue players, 3 Green players, and 4 yellow players. The fourth day, just for kicks, an unaligned player gets killed. At night, Yellow recruits a Blue, Red recruits a Blue, Blue recruits an Unaligned, and Green recruits a Red. So now we have 7 unaligned, 3 Reds, 2 Blues, 4 Greens, and 5 Yellows. See where I'm going with this? Obviously, I ignored some things such as nightkills and assumed some things that probably won't happen with this game, but my point is: The Yellow Turbans are the most likely to get very strong very quickly, unless we harass them early. In the example above, the Yellow Turbans now have the largest voting bloc in the game, so assuming the YT leader has been reading the thread, he can now get people to start bandwagons, and begin targeting people who he thinks are faction leaders, as he will have enough armies to overcome their natural defense. Because unaligned players will probably just be bandwagoning with the biggest voting bloc, this can become a major issue very quickly. Of course, the YT leader could, at any point, accidentally try to recruit a faction leader and screw himself over, but I really don't think this is likely to happen. The way I see it, I have a very small chance of becoming a Yellow Turban for a while, as they only get 1 person per night, and I have a much larger chance of becoming part of one of the other factions, since they get up to 3 per night. Since I'll obviously want whatever faction I'm part of to win, I want the Yellow Turbans dead, even though I'm currently not part of any faction. Thus, I'm going to say, I will switch my vote off of Radfield if anyone explicitly says they will be gunning for Yellow Turbans with the daykill if they get it. There's my argument. | ||
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BrownBear
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On May 19 2010 04:47 BrownBear wrote: The way I see it, every night, 3 people are recruited to the 3 main factions, and one is recruited to the Yellow Turbans. Naturally, there will be some overlap, occasionally two factions will try to recruit the same person and bounce, that kind of thing, but for the most part this will hold true. There are 24 people in the game, meaning that the pool of recruitable people is 20. The YT leader has a 3 in 20 chance of screwing up and getting his entire faction killed if he picks completely randomly, which he will not do, so it's fairly safe to say that he is not going to recruit a faction leader unless he gets very unlucky or reads someone completely wrong. Thus, the pool of potential recruits for each of the 3 main factions is going to decrease by 1 person a night. Now, humor me for a second, and lets run through a sample situation. For this, let's assume (even though this won't be true) that each faction leader picks a different person each night, and no two people pick the same person in one night, so 4 people are getting recruited per night. Let's also assume that each faction leader is smart and can figure out who their rivals are, so no faction leaders are picked to recruit. The first night, everyone is able to pick, no trouble, so there's one person dead from the "lynch" during the day, there are 15 unaligned, and 2 people in every faction (counting the faction leaders). The second day, let's say another unaligned person is lynched, as this is the most likely occurence. Then, another round of recruitment happens as normal, so there are 2 dead players, 11 unaligned, and 3 per faction. The third day, lets say a green guy gets lynched, as it's now more likely that someone in a faction is going to be lynched than an unaligned player. Then, at night, let's say Red tries to recruit a Yellow, so fails (I assume he gets a message saying "You cant recruit that player" or something similar), Blue recruits an unaligned, Green recruits a Blue, and Yellow recruits an unaligned. So now we have 9 unaligned players, 3 Red players, 3 Blue players, 3 Green players, and 4 yellow players. The fourth day, just for kicks, an unaligned player gets killed. At night, Yellow recruits a Blue, Red recruits a Blue, Blue recruits an Unaligned, and Green recruits a Red. So now we have 7 unaligned, 3 Reds, 2 Blues, 4 Greens, and 5 Yellows. See where I'm going with this? Obviously, I ignored some things such as nightkills and assumed some things that probably won't happen with this game, but my point is: The Yellow Turbans are the most likely to get very strong very quickly, unless we harass them early. In the example above, the Yellow Turbans now have the largest voting bloc in the game, so assuming the YT leader has been reading the thread, he can now get people to start bandwagons, and begin targeting people who he thinks are faction leaders, as he will have enough armies to overcome their natural defense. Because unaligned players will probably just be bandwagoning with the biggest voting bloc, this can become a major issue very quickly. Of course, the YT leader could, at any point, accidentally try to recruit a faction leader and screw himself over, but I really don't think this is likely to happen. The way I see it, I have a very small chance of becoming a Yellow Turban for a while, as they only get 1 person per night, and I have a much larger chance of becoming part of one of the other factions, since they get up to 3 per night. Since I'll obviously want whatever faction I'm part of to win, I want the Yellow Turbans dead, even though I'm currently not part of any faction. Thus, I'm going to say, I will switch my vote off of Radfield if anyone explicitly says they will be gunning for Yellow Turbans with the daykill if they get it. There's my argument. Also, as an addendum, since PMs are allowed, the YT leader can just tell everyone he recruits who he is and what they are, as YTs are YTs for life once they get recruited, thus there is no danger that they get recruited away from him and tell on him to another faction leader. If he recruits someone that was part of a faction, and that person knows who the faction leader was, then they have every incentive to tell the YT leader, as they die if he dies. Thus, the bigger the YTs get, the more likely it is that the YTs will win, as they will likely have the knowledge of who at least some of the faction leaders are, and once they get 5-6 people they can just win the game easily by bandwagoning votes to a random YT, who will then target that faction leader. | ||
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On May 19 2010 05:16 Abenson wrote: Announcement: I don't care about anything right now. and so should you (not care) Why? We are not really part of any clan/army right now, and therefore there is no point to us trying to do anything at all. Eliminating the Yellows sounds like a good plan, but it doesn't really benefit us. We, as regular townies, don't care about the politics right now Therefore I will simply un-vote and watch what happens (and occasionally spam) Did you not read my post? Eliminating the Yellows does everything for us. Not only are they the most powerful faction, they're the faction you most likely won't be a part of, and they can win with only 6-7 players, meaning a lot of you will be out of luck. Also, you didn't read the OP, which specifically states that YOU MUST VOTE OR CALLER WILL KILL YOU. God, you are an idiot... | ||
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I would say at first, it's going to be more everyone vs. Yellow Turbans than faction wars, as most people seem to have realized that the Yellow Turbans are the most dangerous faction. The difference from normal Mafia, obviously, is that YTs have no voting power at first, but after a few days will probably be able to influence votes in their favor. They also have no nightkills, at least until they recruit people with night-killing roles. Thus, these first 2-3 days are crucial, as we want to kill off the YT leader before his faction can get powerful enough to simply roll us. If we fail this first stage, YT will win. Assuming we manage to kill YT off, however, we then reach stage 2: A 3-clan war. I'm going to ballpark maybe 14 people surviving to part two, and (hopefully) all 3 main factions, meaning that stage 2 of the game will be what everyone thought at first - three factions duking it out, recruiting each other, madness going on in the daily voting, that kind of fun hilarious anarchy. The problem is, to get there, we have to get through stage 1 first. Thus, Radfield, while I agree with you that we don't really have much to go on at this point, we also don't really have a lot of time: We need to act quickly, because the bigger Yellow gets, the harder it's going to be for the rest of us to live. Thus, I say we lynch someone suspicious today, because it might be a bit of a gamble, but it hopefully will have a huge payoff. I'm going to leave my vote on you unless someone else says "hey vote for me I will gun for YT" because whether or not you listen to me, your idea is the best fallback, and there's always the chance that YT leader is actually hiding among the inactives. | ||
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BrownBear
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Other factions have a bit of a gamble. The notification from Caller would simply tell a person that they were red, or blue, or green. Do the faction leaders then choose to contact the person? They know full well that if that person gets recruited away to another faction (or got forbid YT) then they have pretty much infallible proof of who a rival faction leader is... but there's no coordination if someone knows that they are green, but doesn't know who his allies are. It could lead to some hilarious incidents of a bunch of greens thinking that they know who their leader is, and bandwagoning votes to him, only to have him then choose to execute the REAL green leader. I like this. | ||
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On May 19 2010 09:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: I vote for your death. Caller doesn't pick favorites. He has said that many many a time. Faction leader brown bear trying to hidE?! Jumping on the first thing I say much? Wow, you are talent. HOW I PLAY MAFIA AS GOOD AS YOU LAWL Seriously, though, explain to me, exactly how my post tells you anything about who I am? I think you just want to throw someone who isn't you under a bus. | ||
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Hahaha, I just realized, instead of calling Scum on people this game, we can simply call them yellow (In the cowardly sense, not the racist sense). So, sir, unless you want to throw some hard evidence behind your claim that I am a vile human being, you might have just flagged yourself as the Yellow Turban Leader. Also, I did not know about the RNG at the time of that ONE post. Thanks for clarifying that for me, though! | ||
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You really would rather kill an active player than one of the many people who have not posted or voted yet? And you would point at the one person in this thread who's been the most vocal about targeting the Yellow Turbans first? I question your gamesense. | ||
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On May 19 2010 10:25 Hesmyrr wrote: Is it me or is everyone's argument blatant WIFOM? Meh, actually a little bit. I retract my earlier statement, that was in the heat of the moment. He's probably not the YT leader... but I still question his decision-making skills | ||
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