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haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 14:49:53
March 16 2010 14:29 GMT
#1
SPOILERS PRESENT.


+ Show Spoiler +

Title: 'Ear map' MBCGame Coach says "I will launch an complaint after discussion"


MBCGame manager Hero Ha Tae Ki states that after discussing with the company he will launch a complaint about 7th game against KT Rolster which is now under controversy as 'ear map'.

MBCGame has been counter all killed while playing against KT in Seoul Woongsan I-Park mall eSport stadium at 16th pm. Because of this MBCGame could not advance to the finals, and must battle with victor of semi-playoff game at playoffs to advance at the final.

'Ear map' controversy started at the last 7th set.

At game played on Match Point Flash (KT. Terran) scouted the Light's proxy Barrracks with the SCV. However, this became a problem because SCV had moved perpendicularly during the course of its scouting due to the audiences' loud cry.

"Light also said that he had heard the audiences' roar. Proxy Barracks could have beaten Flash's tactics," manager Ha Tae Ki stressed, "today's game is not just simple 1 win."

Lee Woon Jae coach beside him also explains, "When I heard about Light hearing (the sounds of audience) I felt 'Whoops'. This build is meant to block opponent's tactics but Flash scouting perpendicularly became a problem."

MBCGame can make a complaint to Korean eSport Federation within 24 hours but the result of the mass does not change. But manager Ha emphasizes, "the result cannot be changed. But it must be revealed if the opponent has heard the sounds of the audience. Also we must recover Light's dignity."

"We can't really measure Decibels, so it is worrisome that similar situation could occur in future games," he adds, "The opponent SCV suddenly moving perpendicularly during the course of its scouting is the source of the problem. We must clearly reveal what was going on."

Manager Ha finally said that "I will launch a complaint after discussing this with the company" and left the stadium with the players.



SOURCE: http://www.mydaily.co.kr/news/read.html?newsid=201003162154513352&ext=na
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'귀맵논란' MBC게임 하태기 감독 "상의 후 이의제기 하겠다"
2010-03-16 21:56:45

[마이데일리 = 김용우 기자] "회사와 상의해서 이의제기를 하겠다"

MBC게임 히어로 하태기 감독이 '귀맵논란'이 불거진 KT 롤스터와의 7세트 경기에 대해 회사와 상의해서 이의제기를 하겠다고 밝혔다.

MBC게임은 16일 오후 서울 용산 아이파크몰 e스포츠 상설경기장에서 열린 위너스리그 KT와의 경기서 풀 세트 접전까지 가는 끝에 역전패 당했다. 이로써 MBC게임은 결승 진출이 좌절됐고, 플레이오프에서 준플레이오프 승자와 결승 진출을 놓고 7전 4선승제로 맞대결을 펼치게 됐다.

'귀맵논란'은 마지막 7세트에서 일어났다.

매치포인트 맵에서 벌어진 경기서 이영호(KT·테란)는 이재호의 전진 배럭 전략을 SCV로 정찰했다. 그러나 관중의 함성으로 인해 SCV가 정찰을 가다가 수직으로 틀었다는 것에서 문제가 됐다.

하태기 감독은 "(이)재호도 관중의 함성을 들었다고 한다. 전진배럭으로 상대 전략을 끝낼 수 있었다"며 "이날 경기는 그냥 1승이 아니다"라고 강조했다.

옆에 있던 이운재 코치도 "재호가 들었다는 것을 듣고 '아차' 싶었다. 상대 전략을 막는 빌드인데 (이)영호가 수직으로 꺾은 것이 문제가 됐다"고 설명했다.

MBC게임이 24시간 안에 한국e스포츠연맹에 이의제기를 할 수 있지만 승패는 달라지지 않는다. 그래도 하 감독은 "결과는 뒤집지는 못한다. 그래도 상대가 들었는지 밝혀야 한다. 또한 재호의 명예도 회복해야 한다"고 강조했다.

이어 "데시벨(DB) 측정도 할 수 없고, 다음 경기 때도 이런 상황이 벌어질지 걱정된다"며 "상대 SCV가 가다가 직각으로 꺾어서 정찰을 한 것이 문제다. 어떤 상황인지 확실하게 밝혀야 한다"고 덧붙였다.

하 감독은 마지막으로 "회사와 상의해서 이의제기를 하도록 하겠다"며 선수들과 함께 경기장을 떠났다.

[하태기 감독]

김용우 기자 hiljus@mydaily.co.kr


WTF? Fomos board is in uproar about this. I am not sure if it was only Light who heard the sound of audience or Flash did too, but I'll try to find it out and update quickly. Kind of amusing that all those comments made about audience imba in LR thread could turn out to be true

Update (excerpt from Flash): + Show Spoiler +
- 이재호와의 경기에서 상대 전략을 세 번 연속 파악했는데
▲ 일단 오늘 빌드는 정찰 후 노배럭 더블 커맨드를 준비했다. 2인용 맵에서만 가능한 빌드인데 배럭을 발견하면서 엄청 유리하게 출발했다. 그런데 상대 본진을 가보니 마린 2기만 있고 아무것도 없더라. 그래서 11시를 들러서 6시로 갔더니 팩토리를 운 좋게 발견했다. 이후에 팩토리를 짓던 SCV가 사라져서 찾아보니 스타포트까지 있었다. 원래 1팩 1스타포트인 줄 알았는데 2스타포트더라. 2스타포트인 것은 보지 못해서 몰랐지만 이미 상황이 유리했고, 그 덕분에 잘 막고 경기를 끝낼 수 있었다.

- Against Light you discovered his tactics three consecutive times
First for today's build I prepared a no barrack double command after scouting. This is a build only possible in 2 player map but I started really advantageous with finding the (Light's) barrack. So I visited 11'o clock then went to 6'o clock and luckily managed to find the factory. After that the SCV building the factory disappeared so I looked for it, whence upon I discovered the Starport. I thought it was 1 fac 1 port but it turned out to 2 port. I didn't know that but I already was in good position, so was able to block it effectively and finish the game.
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 16 2010 14:32 GMT
#2
Oh shit. This could be spoiler. Any mods please adjust the title accordingly.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 14:38:25
March 16 2010 14:33 GMT
#3
I did find it weird how flash missed the rax at first then after the audience started screaming his scv changed directions and moved up and saw the rax. The problem with this is that light should have made a complaint during the game when flash saw the rax. I would have pressed ppp and told the referee that i heard screaming during the moment flash saw the rax. Saying that he heard screaming after the game is over is bad because all it does is cause controversy.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
2WeaK
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada550 Posts
March 16 2010 14:36 GMT
#4
Can you add a spoiler tag for people who haven't watched the game in particular? I haven't watched the game and that just ruined it for me (Though I'll still watch it)
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 16 2010 14:38 GMT
#5
On March 16 2010 23:36 2WeaK wrote:
Can you add a spoiler tag for people who haven't watched the game in particular? I haven't watched the game and that just ruined it for me (Though I'll still watch it)


Sorry. I figured out the problem immediately as I posted this- I can't change the title though, can anyone tell me how to contact the mods?
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
March 16 2010 14:39 GMT
#6
well, even if their complaint in itself is valid, its not kt´s fault for the studio having bad sound suppressing...
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
March 16 2010 14:39 GMT
#7
thanks for translating this
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iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
March 16 2010 14:40 GMT
#8
I wont be surprised if Flash heard a little something during that match. Totally not his fault though. Its not like he intentionally did that. Leta's eye-hack though (i dont know if this was proven or not), I have an issue with.

I wonder what flash says on his post-match interview.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 16 2010 14:41 GMT
#9
+ Show Spoiler +
There was a huge roar in the audience as Flash's scout went past the proxy rax, and he turned around that same moment. I wouldn't be surprised if Flash heard it. That said, Light also proxied a factory and a starport, and Flash found them too without the audience's help.
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
March 16 2010 14:42 GMT
#10
Hasn't this happened to Flash before?
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11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
March 16 2010 14:43 GMT
#11
"the result cannot be changed. But it must be revealed if the opponent has heard the sounds of the audience. Also we must recover Light's dignity."


Wow he speaks as though he is the ultimate authority to decide wether flash heard the audience or not..... so was flash asked about this or is he left out of the discussion?
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 14:44:29
March 16 2010 14:43 GMT
#12
On March 16 2010 23:42 Pholon wrote:
Hasn't this happened to Flash before?

nope. It was that forgg vs leta match where Leta was accused looking at the audience.

edit: wrong.
Woo Jung Ho
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 14:46:04
March 16 2010 14:43 GMT
#13

On March 16 2010 23:41 Scorch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
There was a huge roar in the audience as Flash's scout went past the proxy rax, and he turned around that same moment. I wouldn't be surprised if Flash heard it. That said, Light also proxied a factory and a starport, and Flash found them too without the audience's help.

+ Show Spoiler +
Flash looked for the factory when he scouted Light's main base and didn't see one there

Jaehoon - Master strategist
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 14:46:00
March 16 2010 14:45 GMT
#14
On March 16 2010 23:43 cabarkapa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 23:39 Black Gun wrote:
well, even if their complaint in itself is valid, its not kt´s fault for the studio having bad sound suppressing...

Who is blaming KT?

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 23:41 Scorch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
There was a huge roar in the audience as Flash's scout went past the proxy rax, and he turned around that same moment. I wouldn't be surprised if Flash heard it. That said, Light also proxied a factory and a starport, and Flash found them too without the audience's help.

+ Show Spoiler +
Flash looked for the factory when he scouted Light's main base and didn't see one there




i wanted to express that even if the kespa board approves this complaint, kt still shouldnt be punished for what the broadcasting channel fucked up by their badly designed studio.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
March 16 2010 14:46 GMT
#15
On March 16 2010 23:45 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 23:43 cabarkapa wrote:
On March 16 2010 23:39 Black Gun wrote:
well, even if their complaint in itself is valid, its not kt´s fault for the studio having bad sound suppressing...

Who is blaming KT?

On March 16 2010 23:41 Scorch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
There was a huge roar in the audience as Flash's scout went past the proxy rax, and he turned around that same moment. I wouldn't be surprised if Flash heard it. That said, Light also proxied a factory and a starport, and Flash found them too without the audience's help.

+ Show Spoiler +
Flash looked for the factory when he scouted Light's main base and didn't see one there




i wanted to express that even if the kespa board approves this complaint, kt still shouldnt be punished for what the broadcasting channel fucked up by their badly designed studio.

Yeah nevermind I agree.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 14:49:21
March 16 2010 14:46 GMT
#16
On March 16 2010 23:43 cabarkapa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 23:39 Black Gun wrote:
well, even if their complaint in itself is valid, its not kt´s fault for the studio having bad sound suppressing...

Who is blaming KT?

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 23:41 Scorch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
There was a huge roar in the audience as Flash's scout went past the proxy rax, and he turned around that same moment. I wouldn't be surprised if Flash heard it. That said, Light also proxied a factory and a starport, and Flash found them too without the audience's help.

+ Show Spoiler +
Flash looked for the factory when he scouted Light's main base and didn't see one there


yeah flash scouting the factory was because flash saw no factory at light's main. In the game after he scouted light's empty main you see him scouting his min only first then goes down where light's fact was and since he saw only 1 fact he could have suspected a starport follow up and scouted the next logical area which was 6.

The whole issue was with him missing the rax. Normally flash would usually go back to main after seeing nothing but he goes back up after. Why this is an issue is because if flash missed it and went 14 cc he probably would have been crippled by the proxy rax and the proxy fact, port follow up after would have probably killed him. Its sort of like the issue with the power outage in the msl final. That rax would have done a lot of damage and flash would have been really behind. But finding that rax and light cancelling it against flash's 14 cc meant light had no chance of coming back. Didnt help that flash also saw the proxy fact, port follow up too.
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haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 16 2010 14:48 GMT
#17
Yup, that's why people are saying + Show Spoiler +
Light is lying or misheard something under the pressure or something. It could be that his booth turned out to be somewhat defective also. This is the part of the translation I just found from Flash's interview.

- 이재호와의 경기에서 상대 전략을 세 번 연속 파악했는데
▲ 일단 오늘 빌드는 정찰 후 노배럭 더블 커맨드를 준비했다. 2인용 맵에서만 가능한 빌드인데 배럭을 발견하면서 엄청 유리하게 출발했다. 그런데 상대 본진을 가보니 마린 2기만 있고 아무것도 없더라. 그래서 11시를 들러서 6시로 갔더니 팩토리를 운 좋게 발견했다. 이후에 팩토리를 짓던 SCV가 사라져서 찾아보니 스타포트까지 있었다. 원래 1팩 1스타포트인 줄 알았는데 2스타포트더라. 2스타포트인 것은 보지 못해서 몰랐지만 이미 상황이 유리했고, 그 덕분에 잘 막고 경기를 끝낼 수 있었다.

- Against Light you discovered his tactics three consecutive times
First for today's build I prepared a no barrack double command after scouting. This is a build only possible in 2 player map but I started really advantageous with finding the (Light's) barrack. So I visited 11'o clock then went to 6'o clock and luckily managed to find the factory. After that the SCV building the factory disappeared so I looked for it, whence upon I discovered the Starport. I thought it was 1 fac 1 port but it turned out to 2 port. I didn't know that but I already was in good position, so was able to block it effectively and finish the game.

Either way Light is not so invisible anymore. sigh.


Excerpt from Flash's interview included in the spoiler.
wo0py
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Netherlands922 Posts
March 16 2010 14:48 GMT
#18
So which game was this? I want to watch it!
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 16 2010 14:50 GMT
#19
On March 16 2010 23:46 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 23:43 cabarkapa wrote:
On March 16 2010 23:39 Black Gun wrote:
well, even if their complaint in itself is valid, its not kt´s fault for the studio having bad sound suppressing...

Who is blaming KT?

On March 16 2010 23:41 Scorch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
There was a huge roar in the audience as Flash's scout went past the proxy rax, and he turned around that same moment. I wouldn't be surprised if Flash heard it. That said, Light also proxied a factory and a starport, and Flash found them too without the audience's help.

+ Show Spoiler +
Flash looked for the factory when he scouted Light's main base and didn't see one there


yeah flash scouting the factory was because flash saw no factory at light's main. In the game after he scouted light's empty main you see him scouting his min only first then goes down where light's fact was and since he saw only 1 fact he could have suspected a starport follow up and scouted the next logical area which was 6.

The whole issue was with him missing the rax. Normally flash would usually go back to main after seeing nothing but he goes back up after. Why this is an issue is because if flash missed it and went 14 cc he probably would have been crippled by the proxy rax and the proxy fact, port follow up after would have probably killed him.

its not at all fair to assume that flash wouldntve scouted it anyway, that entire area of the map is buildable and double cc is freeloss vs a rax built anywhere down there, not just the one convenient path. obviously flash was gonna scout all over. maybe he heard the audience and so turned around immediately, but he was gonna see it a few seconds later anyway.
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haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
March 16 2010 14:53 GMT
#20
It just sucks because either way Flash or Light is going to suffer one way or another.
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