The Red Army Archives

On March 07 2010 17:12 Incognito wrote:
Ok.

1. Random lists. The only list that is guaranteed to be random is...the player signup list. Why? Because roles are randomized, which means that the list of signups has a random order of roles. So, if we use a random list to determine who shoots, it should be this list.

There's a problem though. We never had anyone say before the game that this list should be used as the "random" list. So now that the game has started, everyone's lists has the chance of not being truly random. This list is random, but of course I could be bringing it up because of other motives. So now we come to the question, why am I proposing this list? Am I just a mafioso who found that the player signup list is favorable to my team?

Well, if you are afraid of this, then there are always two sides to a list. So all we have to do is designate another person to determine whether we will use the list in ascending or descending order.

In order to provide the most random result I can, I have sent out a couple pms. When I get responses, I will compile them and announce the result.

2. An alternative way to determine who shoots. Inactives.

In this game, there are no modkills, there is no way to make people active. Along with my next point, we are going to attempt to address this problem. As those of you from last game (all of you?) know, inactivity was a big problem. This needs to stop.

So, here's my proposal. The most inactive person shoots. As always, mafia is incentivized to stay inactive if other townspeople are inactive.

So what does my proposal do? Well, first of all, it clears inactive innocents. We are bound to have inactive innocents. So having them shoot means that we can clear them and narrow down the inactive pool to make it easier to find the inactive mafia. Secondly, it forces the mafia to talk in order to avoid being chosen as the inactive player that is forced to shoot. And as we know, the more mafia have to talk, the more they get a chance to slip up.

By following this plan, we minimize the harm that inactives have on the game, while forcing people to be active.

The question now is, how do we gauge inactivity? The most straightforward and objective method is by using post counts. If you have the lowest number of post counts and have not yet already shot, it is your turn to shoot. Simple, easy, and hard for the mafia to manipulate. Are you a mafia? Then you better get that post count up to avoid getting put on the spot. And you better make those posts substantive too. Because of my next proposal.

3. We know that one critical mafia strategy is spamming the thread when someone accuses the mafia or posts some critical information. We also know that mafia like to post trash posts everywhere to appear active.

Townies are disgusted when they have to wade through a bunch of trash to look for information. This also contributes to mass inactivity.

When looking for mafia, one good place to start is by looking through their posts. This is a headache for the town when there are hundreds of posts that are scattered all over the place. However, we know that the one person who has the easiest access to your posts is...YOU. So when you're done reading this post, you are going to help the town organize its information.

So from all the above facts, it is logical that we should create a centralized database for everyone's post organized by name. So what I'm going to do is that I'm going to make another thread in the mafia forum titled The Red Army Archives. In that thread, you will copy all of your posts from this thread and compile them into one post.

What will this thread do? It will force you to help us expose you if you are indeed mafia and are making trash posts. It will help us look through your posts if we think you are fishy. It will give all the players the ability to quickly find information from trusted players without the clutter of spam. In essence, it helps us organize information by person and helps us separate the spam from the good information. If there are any objections to this plan, please voice them here in the thread. If not, you have no excuse not to comply. If you wish to ignore this, by all means, you're free to join the top of my suspect list.

tl;dr version: there is no tl:dr version. Please just read the entire post. Thanks.

On March 07 2010 17:13 Incognito wrote:
Link to The Red Army Archives located here.

On March 07 2010 17:43 Incognito wrote:


Yeah after I wrote up the part about the inactive list, I realized I prefered that to any random list. But I posted it anyway for future games. I think we should come to a consensus for future games what the "random list" will be. I think we should just standardize the "random list" for future games as the signups list from top to bottom. Ace you like metagaming so I doubt you'd have a problem with this.

Ok, power roles will also want to post more. But in your random list, you wanted power roles to claim anyway when we got to their turn to shoot, right? So how is the inactive method any worse? If they'd be discovered by this method, they would by yours too.

And also being blue is no excuse for having to spam or even to be inactive. Blues should be able to post something significant. They shouldn't get exemptions just because they are blue. More information is also better than less information. Plus with the archive thread we can keep track of things much easier.

On March 07 2010 17:47 Incognito wrote:
In other words, I don't think the extra spam is too harmful. We can keep track of it. The benefit is forcing activity, and confirming those green inactives who don't feel like playing the game. Even if they don't want to check the thread, all we need to do is pm them to ask them to make an execution when they're at the bottom of the list, it takes them 5 minutes, and it saves us having to worry about someone who we have very little information about.

On March 07 2010 18:11 Incognito wrote:


Forcing roleclaims? Fair enough, but its not like you can escape forever. (Hmm why do I remember that you were the one a long time ago who said you shouldn't reveal your role?) You like your random list because they will have to prove themselves at some point. The inactive list does the same thing. It functions like a list, once someone passes, we move them out of the queue. The lists, and you can't keep chasing higher post counts forever. Sure you can delay, but you can't run forever. Especially when we're going to have people like yourself posting a lot.

Hmm lemme think about this more for a while and also wait for other people to comment.



Mafia can't avoid detection by posting (not voting?) more. When you hardly post at all, then either you are mafia actively lurking, or you just don't have time. When you post a lot, at least we know you have time to post. So you have no excuses. Post good material, or paint yourself with a big red X. Hard to sort through it all? I think the archives will help a lot with that.

As for the archives becoming tedious, I don't think its too bad. Uploading what you've posted from day 1 till now may take a bit if you've posted a lot (like Ace), but after that, it takes only a few clicks. Like this post. After I finish this post, I return to the thread, click quote, copy, and paste into my post in the archives. It isn't too tedious since you're only in charge of your posts. And you'll be updating after every post.

On March 07 2010 18:32 Incognito wrote:
Ah on to accusations already. Well in that case I'm going to say we should lay off of Malongo. JeeJee is at the top of my list right now. You better step it up and post something useful or I'm going to request your death tomorrow. It might be better to request that you become the executor for tomorrow, but if we're following some fixed shooting order then the only other option is to shoot you. Shoot or be shot Да? So please prove me wrong. We know you're plenty active.

Also is there a reason why some of those posts in the archive thread don't have timestamps on them Ace? I'd prefer them with timestamps and in fact I'm going to go put that in the OP right now.

On March 07 2010 18:47 Incognito wrote:


Malongo is not scummy. He is just breaking the metagaming rules. Far greater chance of being an impulsive townie than the CIA agent. If you want to kill him why don't we move JeeJee up the shooting queue for now. Unless of course we have better targets. Ace we don't need to move you up right now. Even if you could prove yourself by shooting you have a higher chance of being the CIA agent if the CIA agent is chosen by the mafia. Don't be so eager to move yourself up the queue. And on that note...off to bed.

On March 07 2010 18:50 Incognito wrote:
Oh meeple spoilers. Good idea Adding to the rules.

On March 08 2010 12:23 Incognito wrote:
Sorry I got suddenly busy, but long post coming up. Since its been a while since I've started this it doesn't cover anything past page 26.

First order of business:



Calculating XeliN's pro-town % for 3 games in a row requires you to know the percentage chance of being pro-town in each game individually. Role counts are not disclosed this game. So the only way that you could have known this percentage is if you are mafia. Explain yourself.

Day 1 hit:
Nobody's been talking about what to do now that I've been hit. We need to start talking about this now.

The fact that I was successfully hit and protected suggests that I'm 99.99% town, especially now that the Secret Nazi is dead and burried. My participation? Very pro-town. And sadly, almost everybody has been ignoring my posts. Red Army Archives? Very pro-town. All of you who haven't posted there yet (theres 10 of you) NEED to do that ASAP. Also please update the list EVERY TIME you make a post. I've noticed people who have already posted have not kept their posts updated. This needs to be done. At this point, except for Ace nobody's stepped up to accuse anyone. We need to keep these lists updated so we can get this mafia crushing machine rolling. And with that, I think its now time to get the roleclaims coming in. The only reason why you won't do this is if you're Ace or if you're don't think I'm town. If you don't think I'm town, then well, you should step up and challenge me. Because unless you do that, you have no reason not to roleclaim.

Lists

You guys can't ignore lists. We are playing this game to win in the long term. Which means showing people they can't act stupidly. No shooting out of turn. No shooting without town consensus and discussion. About the randomized list, we need to discuss something. I expect everyone to pitch in on this discussion. Our options are to use a set, public list, or to use a rotating list as suggested by our late comrade 789.

In essence, the rotating list is a private list.

Discussion point: What are the advantages to using a public v. private list? I'd like Ace's input on this in particular. My personal feeling is that a private list would keep the mafia on their toes, but that a public list might get the mafia to slip up trying to manipulate the town. Thoughts?

At this point though, I have another suspect:

Foolishness:
You've made a substantially lengthy post stating something that we've mentioned. You then follow up quickly by defending an accusation that tells you that you are posting repetitive material. After it seems like you're in the clear, you vanish. Cool beans. On top of that you haven't posted in the archives. Please come out and explain.

Likely list of good comrades: (I might add some later, let me just get this post out.)
citi.zen
Fulgrim
Ace
Incognito

The following spoiler is simply included for the sake of completeness (for those of you who I pmed). Otherwise you can ignore it.
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 08 2010 13:17 Incognito wrote:
^Would you believe my town claim? Unlike you, I was hit.

On March 08 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote:
Woohoo people ignoring me again. So I'll quote it here.



Start talking about Foolishness. No. 1 suspect right now imo. Ace, ShoCkeyy, citi.zen, please stop the petty bickering right now and share your thoughts about Foolishness. I just feel this is just another townies v. townies situation.

On March 08 2010 13:56 Incognito wrote:


Uh, no, you don't shoot anyone. You shoot whoever we come to a consensus about. And its not you. Its whoever is next on the list. Which is Abenson. And Abenson, don't lock into killing BM right now. We have much to discuss before we actually shoot. Can we actually please have a day that lasts longer than 15 minutes before we lynch? Thanks.

On March 08 2010 14:10 Incognito wrote:
Two important announcments:

1. Archives. We still have missing players. All of you people are suspicious. We also have players who haven't been keeping up with staying on top of keeping their post updated. This is essential. Plus, in the case that you die, it makes it a lot easier for us to see why you were hit. Critical.



2. Roleclaims. Once again, there is no reason not to roleclaim to me unless you think I'm mafia. In which case you step up and state your opinions. Otherwise, I need your roleclaims ASAP. I've already got some coming in. The later your roleclaim the more suspicious you become! Thanks.

On March 08 2010 14:12 Incognito wrote:


Ah yes. I almost forgot this. Ace, I'd like your opinion on this one.

On March 08 2010 14:46 Incognito wrote:


Yes, but what are the qualities of a rotating list that are superior to a static public list? I think I might have an idea but I'd like your thoughts.

Ok confirmation coming up...

On March 08 2010 15:22 Incognito wrote:


Why not? We have me and Foolishness. We have the medic. I have very pro-town behavior. I've been hit. If I were mafia I'm offering way too much for it to make any sense. Given the execution format, it would be really easy to just completely destroy the mafia if I were mafia. I've done what you've asked. You just want to go rogue on us, don't you?

With that said, I would request that everyone please keep the roleclaims coming in. Just look at Ace's posting the last few pages to see that he isn't making sense.

Archive update:

On March 08 2010 15:39 Incognito wrote:


Scum would most likely jump on the kill confirmed innocents/likely innocents train. johnnyspazz is town in my book.

On March 08 2010 16:49 Incognito wrote:


Oops I was going to post a long post including a memo on Foolishness, but didn't get around to getting the long post up. So here's the Foolishness part:

After a few pms, I realized he wouldn't have given me a critical piece of info if he was really mafia. To me he's pretty legit for now.

On March 08 2010 17:23 Incognito wrote:
Hit analysis post:

Posts located in the Archives. See how good this is?

789- dead townie
-Trigger happy doesnt know who he is
-Agrees with Ace about killing those who randomkill without town consensus
-Opposes some parts of the list plan because blues will be outed
-Defends the idea that Chez was obviously the Nazi
-Agrees with inverted list
-Proposes the rotating list idea
-Points out flaws in sidesprang's plan

In bold is what I think got 789 killed. I'm leaning toward the rotating list idea though. Mafia may have been trying to get rid of someone who criticized sidesprang, but it seems a stretch to me. The comments toward sidesprang weren't very hostile, so either the mafia are paranoid or this isn't the reason for his death. The rotating list idea was very good, so its understandable why mafia would want to kill him. Very pro-town behavior, and shows that he was thinking, which is always bad if you're mafia.

***

Incognito- alive, claims he was hit
I don't really want to go through each of my posts, especially since I'm not dead yet so it, but if Ace kills me, you know what to look through. Every single post is there.

Basic points: Red Army Archives. Very pro-town. Too bad people aren't keeping up with it. Inactive list to determine who shoots. Plan was shot down, but it was pro-town enough in my opinion. Accuses JeeJee. And that's all of day 1. My personal opinion is that the mafia hit me because I was pretty active and was giving off very pro-town vibes. The Medics saw this too, so the hit probably isn't due to my accusation of JeeJee.

On March 08 2010 18:10 Incognito wrote:
Last post before bed: Ace.

Lets face it, we're most likely on the same side. I understand your zealotry for policy lynches, but in my opinion, we should be trying to actually play this game by finding the mafia, not looking for the cure-all solution and promote mechanical play. In this case, I'm convinced that if we can accept that we're on the same side and try to work together, the mafia will be dead within two days. So instead of going rambo on us and taking the law into your own hands, will you listen to reason and help the town win this game?

On March 08 2010 18:12 Incognito wrote:


Hmm sorry I meant we'd find all the mafia within two days. We don't have the kp to kill them all in that amount of time, since I'm assuming we have maybe 4-6 mafia.

On March 09 2010 03:30 Incognito wrote:


First off, oops yeah I didn't see whats inside the brackets.

My first sentence is wrong? Oh really. Lets see. "You've been a bit quiet recently". Hmm seems pretty accurate to me. Sleeping? Sure, thats valid. Why do you think I'm trying to accuse you here? All I did was state a fact. I don't see inconsistencies in this part. I state that you had expressed ideas of who to kill? Where? All I see is that I've stated that you have some ideas. I never said these ideas were accusations. I just said you had ideas. Nice job seeing faces in clouds. Either you're really paranoid, or you're trying to defend something here. Pming? Its useful. Some people don't like posting in the thread. They don't respond to anything in the thread even if asked. Prodding is sometimes necessary. And that comes in the form of pms. Now before you accuse me of misinterpreting that you actually have been posting in the thread, consider that I haven't asked you for any role information in that pm.

So on to greener pastures...Suspects. Real suspects, Ace. Which btw...a pregame pm



Also people better hold Ace accountable once I flip town. But honestly once that happens this game is just going to die, so...real suspects.

JeeJee: what do you have to say about yourself? You seem to have been posting useless stuff up until I called you out. After that, your post quality started to go up. A little. But you never answered my suspicions. And continue to shadow Ace. Not on the top of my list anymore, but you can't be ignored.

Vivi57: empty posts devoid of content. jokingly claims cia agent. Is this really not a joke? I see an Ace/Vivi connection, do you? Do you have anything to say about these suspects?

Suspect no. 1: l10f

Pm from l10f:

So, what does this pm tell us? l10f starts out by giving reasons for his inactivity. He hastily gives a bunch of reasons without my prompting. He offers information like I'm confused, and theres no clues. I never prompted him to give excuses. Well first of all, l10f is pulling the "I'm confused card". This is typical mafia behavior, acting confused to avoid having to commit to a certain position. Secondly, he is eager to jump to support anti-inactivity policies. When he's inactive himself. Cool. Townies wouldn't have to do this. Lastly, avoids commenting on Ace and sidesprang. Perhaps they are mafia friends he doesn't want to rat on? Perhaps he is just trying to avoid being accountable to a certain viewpoint? l10f should be shot. By Abenson. Unless anyone has any better ideas.

So Ace stop trying to take the law into your own hands. I could see you threatening to do that as mafia. The strategy would be, start going berserk to try to get some townspeoeple to get antsy and shoot someone random in a panic for fear of letting you actually shoot. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

On March 09 2010 03:43 Incognito wrote:


Oh finally now you decide that the list plan is nice for killing regular mafia even at the expense of letting the GF through. This strat switch makes you look kind of...well, you know.

Either way, no we don't win with 15 v. 7. Mafia get 2 hits per night.

On March 09 2010 03:51 Incognito wrote:


Oh Ace. Ignoring my entire post except for my sarcastic conspiracy theory. Which obviously is a joke. Unlike BM and Malongo, you're stirring up shit. So no, your case != their cases. Care to respond to the serious portions about my post about l10f?

On March 09 2010 03:58 Incognito wrote:


Oh look! I guess that's me.

On March 09 2010 03:59 Incognito wrote:


Great! So instead of shooting me, an active contributor, can we get to shooting some mafia?

On March 09 2010 10:25 Incognito wrote:
Wow Mafia fail. Seriously you decided to kill Foolishness and citi.zen? hahaha...nice...
With all the DT's out, yeah the game's pretty much over.



Town can also get killed by the triggerhappy.



You switched plans. Now you want everyone to shoot everybody. What happened to accountability? Oops. I guess I was reading your ideas. Maybe I should stop doing that.



Wrong. Either could be the CIA agent.



Its night. ^_^



Vivi57 is mafia.



No, Ace is known for making policy lynches. Says nothing. Ace is probably trigger happy. I'd put Fishball or l10f as CIA.

Mafia:

l10f
Vivi
Iaaan
Meeple
nemY

Is my guess. or sub Fishball for l10f.



Lies. XeliN is my medic. Nice try at salvaging the game.

On March 09 2010 10:30 Incognito wrote:
Oh nvm there he is.

On March 09 2010 10:32 Incognito wrote:


Unless you claimed to JeeJee then thats highly unlikely. Its also unlikely that theres only 1 DT.

On March 09 2010 10:32 Incognito wrote:


Nothing. Sidesprang still kills Iaaan.

On March 09 2010 10:34 Incognito wrote:
Sidesprang step it up. NOBODY ELSE SHOOT.

On March 09 2010 10:35 Incognito wrote:


Wow...seriously? Not even I hate him that much to shoot him...

On March 09 2010 10:36 Incognito wrote:


Because he says he checked you and says you're DT. Or did he not?

On March 12 2010 07:37 Incognito wrote:
Interesting here. I have limited time, have to go to work soon, but I have this strange feeling that all the top three probable GF contenders are all town. If that is the case, our advantage is huge. Imba, maybe, but plausible, in which case we keep a strong eye on Malongo/Foolishness/Fishball.

Reasons why I think L is town: He wants to be rolechecked. He wants to kill green officeholders. Which means he's either blue or GF. If he's GF, it will be hard to fake a blue role. I don't think a mafia would forcefully put themselves on the spot so willingly. For now, I see L as a pretty safe choice.

Reasons why I think BC is town: He says that he claimed to three people. Claiming DT to three people is a pretty bad idea if you're mafia. You'd preferably keep it to one so you can kill off that member if you decide you are being found out. Now we don't have proof about the other two people he told, but I don't know if he'd make that bad of a lie. Who knows. I'll think about it some more. We still have one more day to decide who we want for positions.

Will post some more later tonight.

Thats not even funny. Don't even joke around with killing other players so fast. DONT FUCKING SHOOT ANYONE UNTIL THE TOWN HAS AGREED TO KILL THAT PLAYER.

Anyone who violates this rule should be instantly killed the next day.

Don't worry meeple, I've already got a plan. Just waiting on the official day to start.

Seriously Chezinu for all the nonsense you talk you'd be the first person I ask someone to shoot. I don't even give a shit if you're a DT you're useless.

How to decide who gets to shoot and who gets shot. This isn't a big deal really.

Malongo no one has defended Chezinu.

Well Malongo I clearly agree that Chezinu is one of the most useless players. However we can't just start killing people for that reason because in this format almost everyone can kill. So let's not give people an excuse to be trigger happy ok?

Can both of you stop being fucking idiots?

sigh, here we go

If you really were the Serial Killer this is one of the most friendly formats to win SK with. You're an idiot.

Yes Malongo is getting shot tomorrow, assuming he isn't killed tonight. Whatever.

Here's the plan. We have 26 players.


1. L
2. XeliN
3. dozko
4. Sidesprang
5. ~OpZ~
6. Fulgrim
7. citi.zen
8. Abenson
9. Johnnyspazz
10. Fishball
11. l10f
12. CynanMachae
13. Nemy
14. d3_crescentia
15. Ace
16. Shockeyy
17. Meeple
18. JeeJee
19. Bill Murray
20. Iaaan
21. 789
22. Vivi57
23. Foolishness
24. Incognito




I'm going to randomize the list of names excluding 2 obvious ones. Since Chezinu is dead, and Malongo is an idiot the first person who shows up on the list must prove their innocence by killing Malongo. If you don't shoot you better be very convincing. L and l10f were the last 2 on the list so I replaced them for Chezinu and Malongo.

#s are 1-24, using this site: http://www.randomizer.org/form.htm.

3, 22, 24, 7, 17, 2, 18, 19, 12, 21, 1, 11, 6, 14, 9, 5, 23, 16, 13, 20, 10, 4, 15, 8 is the order.

SS for proof: http://i47.tinypic.com/29yjnmb.jpg

Order In terms of names:

dozko
Vivi57
Incognito
citi.zen
Meeple
XeliN
JeeJee
Bill Murray
CynanMachae
789
L
l10f
Fulgrim
d3_crescentia
Johnnyspazz
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Shockeyy
Nemy
Iaaan
Fishball
Sidesprang
Ace
Abenson

Players with confirmed shooting ability

Malongo

BTW this game just shows you how terrible Chezinu really is. In a format with townie daykills he dies on Day 1 as an SK. Incredibly dumb

On March 07 2010 10:42 Ace wrote:


And if it comes down to it why wouldn't you want our blues to roleclaim? With the exception of Medics who should claim towny any blue claims are legit until counterclaimed.

If you have a better idea for determining how we should decide who gets to kill someone I'm all for it listening. None of this random killing shit. I'll kill Malongo myself tomorrow if no one else does.

On March 07 2010 10:44 Ace wrote:


1.) Thats not a valid excuse. Because someone else was going to get shot, you should shoot them first? Brilliant.

2.) You read chezinu as a Nazi?! No shit? He told on himself, hell he even sent me a PM with not to subtle hints he was a Nazi. Thats not an accomplishment at all. You could have waited till we brought out the full case against Chezinu, and let the town decide how to deal with him. Not killing him on your own.

3.) Yes, you're getting shot tomorrow. Tough shit.

@JeeJee: Delay(days) = #of times killed already.

@dozko: It wasn't a crapshoot. Malongo didn't do anything spectacular. Chezinu told on himself like an idiot. Yes Chezinu is fucking useless but that doesn't give Malongo the right to kill him without consulting the town.

Skip them and if there is no counterclaim they are legit.

If there's a counterclaim cop investigates one of them, comes out and tells us who's who.

Obviously if you're a medic you claim town.

We get a lot of information by putting pressure on people to role claim. This game isn't about blue roles, and Mafia never is, it's about being smart. If anyone has a better plan please post it.

On March 07 2010 10:54 Ace wrote:


whoops my bad, was thinking ahead. Thats the next part of the plan I'm going to post soon.

@789: Stop thinking that blues are super important. They aren't. If you have a plan that is better please do post it.

This is the order of the kills I'm proposing based on the RNG:

dozko
Vivi57
Incognito
citi.zen
Meeple
XeliN
JeeJee
Bill Murray
CynanMachae
789
L
l10f
Fulgrim
d3_crescentia
Johnnyspazz
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Shockeyy
Nemy
Iaaan
Fishball
Sidesprang
Ace
Abenson

Dozko should post soon and be ready to kill Malongo. Townies do not kill anyone before dozko has a chance. Doing so doesn't give us any information about Dozko.

That said, the detective should investigate the next person on the list, Vivi57.

Once the dozko/malongo situation is solved we move on to Incognito.

Incognito gets to shoot the person the town deems most scummy the next day.

Cop investigates citizen and so forth.

Pro-town players should roleclaim when it's obviously the right time. You CAN prove yourself to be pro-town without roleclaiming.

Remember this list is mainly a shooting order, not a death order.

On March 07 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:
1.) You shot someone who claimed Nazi in a PM when you ALREADY joked about killing him before the game started. How does that make your excuse legit? No one should be shooting without the town thinking it over. Your shot is just the right to kill but we all need to vote on things. Doing so because you feel like it hurts the town because now anybody can come up with stupid excuses ala "he slipped up in a PM so I killed him". Don't you see how this can get out of hand? If we don't punish people for being renegades then there is no point in even trying to play. Let everyone shoot wildly with no consequences. Brilliant.

2.) It's not a random shot, stop making things up.

3.) I'm going to shoot you if Dozko doesn't to keep everyone aware that they can't just kill all willy nilly. Go ahead and conjecture that I'm trying to mind fuck you about my role: I don't give a shit what you think you deserve to die for that stupid move.

On March 07 2010 11:09 Ace wrote:


Yea he did. Which is what makes Malongo's move even more ridiculous.

1.) He wanted to kill Chezinu before the game started.

2.) Chezinu sent me a PM(im going to post it right after) that screams he's an SK. You'll notice before he even dies I called him out on being bad for dying as SK in a game where it's very likely to win as such.

3.) Now Malongo has an alibi for killing Chezinu because he "read" him.

Are you serious?

If we let this go on now anyone can make up alibis about killing someone based off of PMs because the guy who can verify it is now dead. Great.

PMs from Chezinu:

There isn't a problem. In fact instead of inverting it how about I switch places with Dozko and kill you myself tomorrow? Deal?

hmmm 2kp is pretty ridiculous. Oh well :/

On March 07 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:
Enforcing order because it's the best thing to do as town. I just told you in Three separate posts that killing you is good because:

A.) You killed without even discussing anything with the town

B.) Your alibi is weak as hell

C.) Now we get information about Dozko or myself.

Anyway since it's night time medics please protect me because I'm sure as fuck I'm going to be targetted. Protect Malongo too because if he dies tonight we have to decide again who should die tomorrow.

?

Are you slow?

The list is a shooting order. We need info about people on the list. I don't want you to die by Mafia hands because then we'd have to look for a new person worth shooting. While I'm sure that isn't even hard because there are clowns like you playing I'd rather not. You are definitely the most fishy person who has posted so far.

lmao

@Malongo: I have no issue with shooting you. Depends on when night ends. If I don't think Dozko has a chance to shoot you I'm going to do it myself and you guys can continue on with the list.

I'm not killing Malongo because he doesn't agree with me, I'm killing him because I believe he's the most scummy person so far and because we need order. We also need to confirm our innocents.

If you can't shoot, role claim then. If you can't prove you are what you say you are, the person on the list who's turn it is gets to shoot you.

If you can shoot, shoot the people that screw the town over or look scummy with everyone's consent.

Simple really. Doesn't matter if we think Malongo is a CIA op, if he gets to get away with killing someone for no good reason without consulting the town we might as well just give The Mafia the game.

DTs don't have to mouth. Hell they can do what they want as long as they think things through. I don't play the game through PM land so if anyone wants to do anything through me it has to be in the thread. PMs kill the game.

Citizen I posted a screen shot of my randomized list. But I'm cool if you want someone else thats surely confirmed to do it.

I'm still sold on shooting Malongo as the best move. I don't care whether or not a CIA would or wouldn't do it - it was a bad move and we can't have people blowing heads off just for fun.

whoops sorry I missed the last part of your post. Only reason I wouldn't support using a dead person's list is that Mafia get to see it and obviously cherry pick their kills.

On March 07 2010 12:36 Ace wrote:
You and I don't make up the entire town do we? The game barely lasted for 10 minutes and you shot him. You said you were going to shoot him before the game even started. Whether or not he was a Nazi you were going to shoot him on Day 1. Please stop your nonsense. I'm no longer replying to any of your posts until you come up with something logical.



Need more discussion about this. Come on people stop being lazy and thinking we're going to do all the work for you.

Either way I think to start off any randomized list is good since it ignores motives and puts pressure on everyone to perform.

Like I said, if you're a towny shoot. If not roleclaim.

Players need to stop worrying about roles and start thinking about how to win the game. Ordered Roleclaiming is going to be powerful.

Your post's logic is off.

Whether Malongo is CIA or not he's playing scummy. Which means he's playing anti-town. Which means he's not useful at all. If you can find someone even more scummy than him then so be it. Otherwise I'm going to use Malongo as our kill target to confirm another player's innocence. Read my posts please. This is very simple logic.

Role Claiming is good, just that no one does it because not many players have seen how powerful it truly is. You also need to do it at the right time. I'm calling for a massive ordered role claim, 1 by 1 pretty much so we can ez win this game.

No need to invert the list since I'm going to kill Malongo anyway. Just switch me with dozko, or bump me ahead of him and keep it going.

On March 07 2010 12:51 Ace wrote:


no. Everyone needs to learn how to play the game in the thread and stop this pming shit. Too many games a ton of information is lost that way.

On March 07 2010 13:00 Ace wrote:
Guys in case I do die tonight remember to update this list throughout the game:

Players that have killed

Malongo

Next Player to kill - Target

Ace - Malongo if no one else is as scummy as he is

On March 07 2010 13:02 Ace wrote:


Cool. And JeeJee is going to kill you.

I didn't even ignore the town's idea for the inverted list.

Thats lie #1 right there.

Malongo wasn't at risk of dying. In fact he was the one provoking the idea of killing Chezinu.

So you're wrong on that right there.

Want to make up some more stuff?

On March 07 2010 13:33 Ace wrote:
Really? Let me shut you up.

On Page 7-8 Malongo is clearly gunning for Chez. He even makes a false statement saying people are defending Chezinu.

On page 9 at 10:10 Caller starts the game.

At 10:11 Malongo tries to kill chezinu.

Really? Ok lets continue so this sinks in even more.

Chezinu tries to counter kill Malongo after Caller said it has to be in bold. Mind you this is long after I made it clear that killing for no reason will get you shot. This is the very first plan I proposed to the town, so how am I not following my own plan? You fail.

But lets continue.

Malongo tries to execute Chezinu again.

At 10:13 Caller says for fairness sake he isn't going to do count either one and the next one wins.

at 10:14 Chezinu posts and says:



If Malongo was in danger of dying right here, Chezinu had the chance to kill him. Chezinu just said he wouldn't kill him. So Malongo is NOT in danger.

Chezinu posts again.

Malongo posts right after him.

Neither one of them have posted an execute statement. Right, Malongo is surely in danger of dying.

At 10:15 Malongo goes for Chezinu's head.

And during this entire exchange Malongo was in danger even after Chezinu said he wasn't going to kill him, and when he had TWO chances to do it? Please read the thread.


Now on to the rest of your illogical arguments:



If I was ignoring the list I'd just shoot you. But since the very first thing I said is that players who shoot first are going to get shot, I'm sticking by it. After I do that, if we have no more situations with idiots doing that then we can get on with the list any order people choose. But anyone doing anti-town behavior is subject to getting shot.

Also notice dozko said he might not be here in time for the start of day and then I said if anything I'd switch places or bump ahead of him and confirm myself. So how is that fishy in any way?

Also please stop using words like majority to sell your point. It's pretty shitty playing. The majority of the town hasn't decided on anything. You should know better than that.

Please post more though or come up with a plan of your own. I'm the most pro-town player at the moment and I said I'm going to kill which makes me just as likely confirmed town as Malongo and your going to shoot me. Brilliant really. Either way seeing JeeJee kill you for being stupid is going to make my day ^_^

On March 07 2010 13:35 Ace wrote:


Blues should roleclaim, and then prove their legit. If there is no counterclaim and the DT trusts its not worth a rolecheck on the player then we keep it moving.

Didn't even read your post because I saw more of the same nonsense. Either way Malongo is getting shot by me tomorrow unless dozko does it first.

On March 07 2010 14:12 Ace wrote:



I policy lynch to preserve the meta. So far it's worked beautifully. Trust me I don't feel like I'm stuck killing Malongo. I just dont want any situations where we give people excuses for not getting shot without being held responsible.

If you want us to post all our posts in another thread thats fine. However I'm not for going along with another random list. I don't see anything that makes the current list we have now a problem.
Basically spending time picking out different lists isn't productive.

Secondly I don't agree with having the most inactive person shoot. Naturally this just means Mafia will post more, and now power roles will definitely want to post more. So now we have even more spam from non-mafia also. Might as well keep it random where no one has control over anything and let that be the deciding ideal.

I'm not opposed to them being discovered. I have a problem with them attempting to post more or less depending on that. If it's just a random list they have to prove themselves at some point. When it comes to posting numbers well that idea clearly goes out the window. They can dodge.

I really don't have a problem with using the sign up list. I just didn't do it for this game because I know someone would say I'm rigging it even though I'm 15 out of 26.

I completely agree with Blues not being excused for posting crap. However we treat our blue roles like they are more important than town and give them too much leeway. Hence they get to play like shit and no one really holds them accountable. This is why I'm moving towards roleclaiming strategies so people have to finally learn how the game is really played. Apply some pressure and lets see how shit rocks.

You shouldn't reveal your role. Unless obviously ya know, it's a pro-town thing to do. Pretty much it means dont go talking in PMs or blatantly revealing your role in the thread unless there's a good reason to do so. I'd think at the point where the town starts a mass roleclaim ball you'd probably want to jump on it.

I also want to make it clear I don't think your idea is bad, I just think the RNG list is so impartial someone is going to be cave to the pressure.

Also to make it easier to picture the game I'm going to let you guys know right now I'm suspicious of Malongo and L. Malongo for obvious reasons, and L because no matter what game I'm playing he thinks it's a good idea to attack whatever I'm doing.

In fact we can use this as our unofficial voting card till someone gets shot ^_^

On March 07 2010 09:07 meeple wrote:
Man... I can see this going downhill pretty quick. Executing players who piss you off. I agree with Ace, we need to have some sort of collaboration with this.

On March 07 2010 09:23 meeple wrote:


I wouldn't really want Chez protected tbh, cuz he annoys the crap outta me, so I'm not against his death, but rather the idea that someone goes off and excutes another so quick, and without any discussion. It's still a town and we should make decisions as one, even though we all have the power to kill individually.

On March 07 2010 10:13 meeple wrote:


What... that probably should've been specified before.

On March 07 2010 10:14 meeple wrote:
So... is Chez executed?

On March 07 2010 10:16 meeple wrote:
Oh wtf... people we can't be doing this.... I know Chez is annoying but the only way to survive is working together as a town.

On March 07 2010 11:09 meeple wrote:
One thing to ask is how are the mods going to deal with inactivity? I mean since there's no voting it's not like they can miss a deadline.

On March 07 2010 13:32 meeple wrote:
I like the list idea, inverted or not. It gives kinda an exhaustive search for the blue/red group. The only hard part will be distinguishing the blue from red.

I dunno L, there should be repercussions for jumping the gun like that... at this point Malongo is just as good a target as anyone else.

On March 07 2010 13:48 meeple wrote:


I think Ace is saying that the blue roles are somewhat less important with an exhaustive search like this... especially since we're relying heavily on behavior patterns and not clues.
It seems that we'll rely on medic protection a lot, we'll also be alot more directed about it, since we know who to protect.

On March 07 2010 14:06 meeple wrote:


Who is a better target?

On March 07 2010 15:06 meeple wrote:


I don't think we're worried about him being mafia... but more about the consequences of acting without consulting the town. Right?

On March 07 2010 18:01 meeple wrote:
I gotta agree with Ace here... Mafia will be able to avoid detection just by voting more, and we'll inevitably get much more crap on the thread, with no assurances that you'll actually detect anyone.
I see that we'll get tons more info on everyone, but that info may or may not be useful, and it will be much harder to sort through it all.

I like the idea of that the Red Archives though it may become tedious to copy/paste all the posts from here...

On March 07 2010 18:04 meeple wrote:
err posting more

On March 07 2010 18:51 meeple wrote:


lol I was just going to post a request for spoilers... wayyyy friggin easier to look through

On March 07 2010 18:53 meeple wrote:


In my opinion, Malongo was never scummy, but there needs to be a way of enforcing the rules, or people will just go off willy nilly and execute whomever they wanted to.

I don't see the JeeJee connection, can you elaborate Incog?

On March 07 2010 19:43 d3_crescentia wrote:
Some scattered thoughts:

I think I'd rather have Malongo DT-checked today because it's obvious that the most powerful weapon the Mafia have is having the CIA coopt our executions. I don't think CIA would be silly enough to move on Day 1, but that's just an opinion and not a deduction.

I think this whole idea of a random list is good, BUT we need to keep it subject to change depending on what happens during the course of discussion taking into account who's making what arguments. A rough estimate says that we have about 6-7 days if we have a mafia that is 5-6 people. This isn't anywhere near enough time for us to go down the entire list systematically, so it's better to keep a fluid list. Also somewhat tangentially, we need to keep in mind that we don't know how mafia KP is calculated right now.

I like the idea of forcing the most inactive player to vote though I'm not entirely sold on it because I haven't thought it through yet.

My primary argument for using it is that if mafia decide to spam random shit in the forums to cover it up - guess what, one of our fellow comrades can simply take matters into their own hands and kill them. I don't think it'll be a very viable strategy for mafia. Of course if our fellow comrades are just posting shit (not like shit, just shit) then it will be 1) overall detrimental to the game, much more so than previous ones, and 2) they can die very very easily for it.

If it turns out to be the case that inactives will shoot - I volunteer to be the quietest of them all.

On March 08 2010 06:15 d3_crescentia wrote:
Okay, just reread all the posts since I logged off early this morning and my mind is feeling way clearer. Didn't realize that the CIA had the GF power; my bad for lacking reading comprehension at the time.

Dozko I have no idea where you got those numbers for XeliN and I don't t
hink they're too helpful anyway.

I support the Ace/789 plan; still don't think Malongo is really worth a shot though. If Abenson doesn't post is he going to get modkilled?

On March 08 2010 06:39 d3_crescentia wrote:

Then there's no reason to post it when you could be applying the math on some other things...

On March 08 2010 07:26 d3_crescentia wrote:

Or they hit another Nazi...

On March 08 2010 07:27 d3_crescentia wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK BILL

WHAT THE FUCK

On March 08 2010 07:38 d3_crescentia wrote:
I'm executing BM next chance we get. ^_^

On March 08 2010 12:28 d3_crescentia wrote:

Funny thing is that he doesn't need to just so long as he shoots you first.

Whoever said this was going to be like the wild west of Mafia was right -_-

On March 08 2010 14:22 d3_crescentia wrote:
The more I think about this game the more I feel that it's a glorified probability problem.

Generalized scenario: There are only town and mafia. If we just run through the players on the list by having them try to shoot each other while the mafia try to whittle us down 2 at a time, we'll have basically checked everyone by Day 6. Assuming that the town continuously hits other townies, we'll have 16 dead (10 by mafia, 6 by us) which leaves the 6 who shot AND THEN, presumably 4 mafia. This is the worst-case scenario, but it also gives us the most information possible.

Obviously it gets slightly more complicated with CIA in the way, for in the above scenario the town HAS to be ready to execute faster than the CIA can.

I don't even think we really NEED to consider DTs/medics too much because the execute-by-list system gives us WAY more information than a vote/lynch system. One DT gives us another day of wiggle room; two DTs gives us another day. I actually think medics protecting during early game can be actually a bit detrimental then, because we don't get any confirmed information.

Triggerhappy is a different case, in which case they should roleclaim.

Of course, the problem remains that the mafia can choose to kill LESS townies to keep us confused... but in which case we still continue to pair people off and have them shoot each other. At this point, argument isn't really necessary, because we're all just fodder.

The real problem is going to be in hunting down the CIA agent(s) in the end-game - but DTs won't really be important in that scenario; only behavioral analysis and (maybe) medics.

So, my proposal:
Two people (who have not previously executed people) will attempt to execute each other as fast as possible, giving us confirmed information about the killer, who is either green or CIA, and the killed, who is green/blue/red. DTs can go ahead and check an arbitrary 3rd person that hasn't been checked/killed before.

If we have a pair of people that are incapable of killing each other, we split them up and have them killed by a different set of townies. It honestly doesn't matter if we even HAVE a list, let alone having it be public/private; we just have to be careful not to reuse anyone. For that reason I now think shooting Malongo/BM is now a bad idea (though shooting BM may still have some merit as he could fuck things up later).

The two problems I see are that either we have MORE mafia than 4 - in which case I believe we'll end up killing them rather quickly, so no biggie - or if we have LESS than 4, in which case the remaining 4 will simply have to shoot each other.

So, tl;dr: it doesn't matter if we have a list or a plan just so long as we continuously rotate in new shooters and shootees.

On March 08 2010 14:36 d3_crescentia wrote:

Oh, well fuck my dick that complicates things a bit more. Still don't think it'll be that big of a deal, unless our list-randomization is totally stacked for mafia.

On March 09 2010 03:21 d3_crescentia wrote:
There are only two rules that we need to follow to win:
1) Two people attempt shoot each other every day
2) Don't shoot or reuse previous shooters

If the Mafia decides to hit 2 new people a day, then that's just more information that goes into the game. By the end of Day 6, we'll have 6 who have shot and are almost all likely to be townies. Then we'll have another 16 dead, and 4 people that haven't shot.

In the worst case scenario that all 16 dead are town, these last 4 literally have to be mafia, unless the the number of mafia is less than 4 - which is to our advantage.

If we have more than 4 mafia then it stands to reason that we'd be counting them amongst the dead. If the number is something absurdly high like 8, then we could actually lose, but it seems absurd that we wouldn't be able to pick off one or two in that time.

The only problem that stands is if the town hits any Triggerhappies, which cause us to lose if we keep trying to bruteforce our way through. But since even the Triggerhappies themselves don't know their own role there's no way to really control that. The best thing we can do is have our DTs check our shooters to see if they show up blue - and then we just forbid them from executing again in case they're CIA.

On March 09 2010 04:23 d3_crescentia wrote:

Yes, I made the assumption that mafia would try and kill people that haven't shot yet. Also, the difference between 4 mafia and 5 mafia is huge, because we get an extra day of wiggle in a 7v4 situation. This is why we need something like forced RC or a randomized pairing but I haven't really thought it through.

My point, though, is that at this point sticking to any sort of order (generated list, etc.) might have some, but not much merit over arbitrarily shooting other people. A generated list can give us 4 pairs of greens to dick us over just as well as any random townie with an itchy trigger-finger.

Don't really think it's a good idea to shoot Incog as of right now, as I think his save claim has a bit more worth in it with him alive than dead. Probably better to shoot a lurker.

On March 09 2010 05:15 d3_crescentia wrote:

So how about we decide on who to shoot in the next few hours instead of sitting around talking about how we should go about shooting? Who would *you* shoot? Because if you don't, someone else is gonna shoot for you.

On March 09 2010 05:32 d3_crescentia wrote:

Okay.

Then I propose that you shoot him, not Abenson. I'm not certain about how available Abenson's going to be in the next few hours. You do know that if you don't, Ace is gonna blow Incog's brains out the second that Day post comes up?

On March 09 2010 06:14 citi.zen wrote:


Right, we agree: JeeJee will shoot l10f.

All other townies: let's not screw ourselves over again. The only people with a desire to create more confusion would be the reds/CIA agent.

Hope we don't have other really-realy-really slow/bad players on board who decide to once again go rogue.

On March 09 2010 06:38 d3_crescentia wrote:

Why don't you just take the shot?

On March 09 2010 06:46 d3_crescentia wrote:

Just take the shot as soon as the post is up.

You do know that someone else is going to put something in as soon as it's up, right? Seems a bit odd that you'd want to wait for JeeJee seeing as that he might not even be here. After all that about how other people should exercise some self-control it seems that you don't care to make preparations for the worst.

On March 09 2010 07:11 d3_crescentia wrote:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

On March 09 2010 07:47 d3_crescentia wrote:
Ace - only two RCs per detective. Very sad, yes?

Also, still surprised about how close those posts were... must've been seconds within each other.

On March 05 2010 07:30 Abenson wrote:
MEMEMEME
I WANT IN

On March 05 2010 09:16 Abenson wrote:
Do we have to do russian speak while playing? :O

On March 05 2010 10:37 Abenson wrote:
how many ppl
and
when does it starT?

On March 05 2010 10:53 Abenson wrote:
This is one of the most messed up mafia rules I've ever seen
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 05 2010 11:12 Abenson wrote:
lol
first second of the game:
EXECUTE CHEZINU

On March 05 2010 11:14 Abenson wrote:
Great...
we have a "secret nazi"
can that guy ACTUALLY win?

On March 05 2010 11:17 Abenson wrote:
wtf really?

On March 05 2010 11:21 Abenson wrote:
I wanna evolve dammit
I know i'm constantly complaining about my status as a slave drone, but I REALLY WANNA EVOLVE INTO A ZERGLING
PLEASE, OVERMIND, LEMME BE REBORN AS A ZERGLING
or i could just turn into a hatchery, i won't mind :D

On March 06 2010 06:22 Abenson wrote:
Я не могу дождаться этого начнется игра
Да здравствует родина, и убить капиталисты!
Мы победим! Д.
Спасибо товарищу абоненту за организацию этого

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 06 2010 07:33 Abenson wrote:
Well...
This is gonna be one epic game, one way or another

On March 06 2010 10:33 Abenson wrote:
lol
This is not gonna bode well for some of us
I think the day will be over in like 10 sec.
the moment the night post comes up the day will be over

On March 06 2010 10:46 Abenson wrote:
So caller is infamous for hosting these random crappy creative versions of mafia?

On March 06 2010 12:53 Abenson wrote:
comon start it already D:

On March 07 2010 11:24 Abenson wrote:
Well..
now what
when is the night post coming up?

On March 07 2010 11:36 Abenson wrote:
well...
This game is gonna be fun -.-"

On March 07 2010 11:37 Abenson wrote:
not to mention chaotic

On March 07 2010 12:55 Abenson wrote:
well..
if we're going with inverted it'll take a while for me to do the execute thing
i'm about to go to sleep, so that's like 8 hours of inactivity -,-"

On March 07 2010 23:49 Abenson wrote:
Please stop posting in Russian

On March 07 2010 23:54 Abenson wrote:
Я хотел съесть пирог и должностями совершенно неуместными однострочники

On March 08 2010 00:37 Abenson wrote:
:D

On March 08 2010 00:39 Abenson wrote:
Я предлагаю, чтобы форма теперь каждый раз мы публикуем на русском языке, мы должны положить спойлер тегов в английском переводе под, так как ставки здесь все Использование Google любом случае переводчик.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 08 2010 08:25 Abenson wrote:
Great...
A stupid execution
Despite Ace's warnings etc.
Bill Murray still went ahead and killed someone.
This could mean that he's mafia...

On March 08 2010 09:01 Abenson wrote:
Yay
More stupid shit

Note: Can I not add my stupid 1 liners to the red archives?
I post these things quite often -.-

On March 08 2010 09:18 Abenson wrote:


Actually
I was a sumiyoshi last game

On March 08 2010 09:19 Abenson wrote:
Trying to decide whether or not I should make a huge celebration post regarding my icon

On March 08 2010 09:32 Abenson wrote:
Here is my explanation regarding behaviour:

It all started one day...
When I saw the recruitment post for TL Mafia XVI In the General section of the forums.
I became excited, and I awaited eagerly for the game to start. Soon I received my post from Incognito regarding my role for the game, and I soon immersed myself in the world of Liquidia.
I was a townie that game. I figured there was no importance to my role, and I should use this game to figure out the basics and logic as well as tricks to this wonderful game. Wishing to introduce myself and get to know everyone in the mafia circle, I was quick to start posting everything from my icon complaints to lynching choices.
As many knew from my complain posts, I died on night 1 - Killed by the mafia.
I was upset about my death, and I even got a warning for after-death posts.

Soon however, TL Mafia XVIII was announced and I was happy to sign up again. This time, however, I was surprised: I was a member of the Sumiyoshi family. Panic settled in.
My death would eventually result to loss of KP, which may lead to us losing this game. I was also extremely afraid of posting something "wrong" that would let people deduce that I was mafia.
Since I have absolutely no idea what to do, I simply stopped posting.
I stopped my usual spam and "blogging" in Mafia XVI and simply posted in order to vote for lynching. I was soon told by fellow mafia members that I should act like myself and post just as I had in the first game. That is the reason why my activity went up again after the first few days.

I have to admit this is probably my first post that is longer than 50 words, and I am sorry I do not participate in a helpful way.
I am not good at clue analysis, nor am I confident about my behavioral analysis; I wanted to be part of the game, and somehow contribute. So I simply posted my opinions, whether it be a simple emoticon or 10 meaningless words.
I apologize if I am not really contributing in a helpful manner, but I must say that I really DO want to help the town.

I love the mafia game, and I will be here for quite some time. Please bear with me and I will try to step it up.

On March 08 2010 12:01 Abenson wrote:
Alright
What is the final decision
Am I shooting BM?

On March 08 2010 12:06 Abenson wrote:


Confirmed
My target is set

On March 07 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
how many Ukrainians are there?

On March 07 2010 12:35 johnnyspazz wrote:
what do you mean by "cherry pick their kills?"

On March 07 2010 12:48 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think we should definitely not hit malongo
maybe the DTs can PM their findings to a trustworthy name and then we go from there?

On March 08 2010 08:36 johnnyspazz wrote:
i dont like how this game rewards idiots because now theres really no point in wasting another hit on BM since hes probably townie not cia agent...

On March 08 2010 08:37 johnnyspazz wrote:
by hit i mean lynch
but if you think im mafia and slipped up, i'll be willing to be the next executor

On March 08 2010 09:00 johnnyspazz wrote:
while we need a rule like that in place, i think it our lynches are too valuable to waste on killing dumb townies

On March 08 2010 09:07 johnnyspazz wrote:
hey abenson, why dont you just stop worrying about that stupid icon next to your name and think before you post stupid one liners?

On March 08 2010 09:09 johnnyspazz wrote:

abenson was actually on the other mafia team last game

On March 08 2010 09:28 johnnyspazz wrote:


we're basically letting the mafia two more free hits on us whenever we lynch a retarded townie for breaking the rules. this is exactly what the mafia want us to do, waste lynches. we can wait two more days until we deal with BM because he cant execute anyone until then

On March 08 2010 11:11 johnnyspazz wrote:
when will BM be allowed to execute again? if we were to kill someone else instead, will he be able to kill someone the next night? if that was the cause i would understand killing him now but if he needs to wait another night then we don't have to kill him right away.

On March 08 2010 11:12 johnnyspazz wrote:

if the cia agent decides to do this, then its a guaranteed death sentence right before he is allowed to kill again. i'm not against killing BM but i think we should wait until its absolutely necessary.

On March 08 2010 11:30 johnnyspazz wrote:
if youre going to kill players just because you thin kthey are an idiot and dont wait for the town consensus then youre just as anti town as the players youre killing...

On March 08 2010 11:36 johnnyspazz wrote:
why are you so gung ho on killing BM when he;s not even a threat? whats the worse thing he can do before he can execute again? spam the thread? ok, if he does that you just ignore his posts. i'm not sure how the rules work but unless he is able to kill someone right after the next lynch, we should save his death for later.

On March 08 2010 11:40 johnnyspazz wrote:
okay ace...
it would be cool if you stopped acting childish

On March 08 2010 11:42 johnnyspazz wrote:
ok im convinced to just kill ace myself next lynch

On March 08 2010 11:47 johnnyspazz wrote:
ok ill wait until we get more discussion but i feel like Ace is a way more legitimate target than any one he has threatened to kill

On March 08 2010 12:40 johnnyspazz wrote:
i like to get incognito's opinion on ace's erratic behavior
p.s. i do have to balls to shoot you and will be willing to next time i get the chance to

On March 08 2010 12:42 johnnyspazz wrote:
also meeple got temp banned for 2 weeks haha

On March 08 2010 12:46 johnnyspazz wrote:

didn't he roleclaim because you threatened to execute him?

On March 07 2010 06:11 789 wrote:


You could do that, but no one would believe you. You won't know that you're triggerhappy.

"If you are killed at day or at night you take down your shooter with you. You have a really itchy trigger finger. You also don’t know that you’re the Triggerhappy. You also have the abilities of a Commissar."

On March 07 2010 09:30 789 wrote:


I agree with this plan. The town will never win if people go off executing random people for no reason.

On March 07 2010 09:45 789 wrote:
I'll volunteer to do the day 1 execution unless anyone else objects or wants to do it.

On March 07 2010 10:17 789 wrote:
Malongo tomorrow? At least a couple of us said we agreed with Ace's "if you kill someone randomly, you die the next day" plan.

On March 07 2010 10:36 789 wrote:
The only problem I see with your plan Ace is that KGB and Bureaucrats can't day kill. If they don't do the day kill it is basically telling the reds who our blues are.

On March 07 2010 10:52 789 wrote:


So the blues don't get killed. I suppose it would be true if they do role claim the bureaucrats could protect them though.

On March 07 2010 11:11 789 wrote:


It was rather easy to tell chez was the nazi.



This post made it pretty clear. I pm'd him about it and he admitted it to me as well. As for why malongo killed him ... god knows why. He should have at least tried to get chez to work for whatever side he's on.

On March 07 2010 12:52 789 wrote:
Inverted list sounds good to me. It was proposed by malongo who is likely green ... so it follows with the "list proposed by a confirmed green" way of thinking. As for the first hit ... who if not malongo? I don't think there is anyone who has really be suspicious as of yet.

On March 07 2010 12:57 789 wrote:
That's fine abenson, there is no guarantee the night will even be over within 8 hours. Even if it is .. it gives us some time to hammer out who will be executed.

On March 08 2010 02:46 789 wrote:
Well if we are going to go with random lists that is made by a confirmed green. Here's my proposition. We start with Ace's inverted list which will have Abenson as the first to execute. I think you can all agree with me (no offense abenson) that it is unlikely abenson was chosen as the CIA agent. If he can shoot he is more than likely green. Then abenson could use the same method Ace did to create a list. This would give us a list that we will not have to worry about bias.

On March 08 2010 03:17 789 wrote:
Sidesprang, you left out some critical details that makes it hard to reach a conclusion on your idea. The first is how do you arrive at who gets executed; you didn't address this at all. If it is a random person it is really no different then having a random person executing the most suspicious player. The next is what happens when the most suspicious person does not perform a kill. Obviously that person will role claim blue, regardless of being red or blue. Do you kill him for refusing and possibly kill a blue or let a red skate by for another night. Sure he can be role claimed and killed the next day, but what if it ends up being the difference in lowering their KP for that night.

CynanMachae, yeah I guess I kind of assumed it was the same. It would be good to have a clarification there.

On March 05 2010 10:21 CynanMachae wrote:
Lol that looks funny. Playing :p

On March 07 2010 12:06 CynanMachae wrote:
Wow, that game is so hard to understand right now

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On March 08 2010 03:06 CynanMachae wrote:
Done re-reading, much clearer than yesterday how this game is working.

First of all, people (and mainly 789 just now) pointed out that the CIA Agent would be chosen (like the GF in previous games). I don't see anything that point toward this in the OP, so I would just want to know if that really is the case.

If that's the case, I like the idea of using the randomised list of the first shooting person (Abenson).

And rereading the part with Malongo shooting Chezinu, I really don't see how Malongo could be anything but green...

On March 08 2010 06:58 CynanMachae wrote:

Lol

Well if we can get a confirmed town that would be a pretty good start. Just need to make sure it's the case because with this kind of write-up I'm not sure it's possible to know if one hit is missing or if somebody got saved etc.


how come?

On March 08 2010 08:53 CynanMachae wrote:
Lol wtf... town's screwed, at this point, one or two more retarded moves like that seems bound to happen again <<

I'm pretty sure Bill you really thought L was mafia but really, there's no point trying to "prove" oneself by outing a mafia member by yourself, it set the town so far behind if you're wrong and that's pretty much what will happen always

Even if L had flipped Red you would still have been yelled at cause it would still have been a retarded move.

On March 08 2010 09:00 CynanMachae wrote:

Problem with that is that killing those people are pretty much wasting our chances to get someone we suspect might be red.

On March 08 2010 09:03 CynanMachae wrote:
That's the point of the red archives. If people dont contribute and just spam, it will show. If people are inactive, it will show.

And on the subject, I noticed a few people haven't posted there yet, so if any missed Incognito's post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115014

On March 08 2010 09:07 CynanMachae wrote:

He is indeed spamming but he's been doing that the past two games and he was town in both. Tho, he indeed didn't step up when his turn came, but really I don't know if we can say much cause the town hadn't agreed on anyone to kill yet anyway. If he was green tho he would have been a bit more eager to prove himself tho <<

On March 08 2010 09:13 CynanMachae wrote:

By bad, you're right. The last two alives weren't clear enough in my head

On March 08 2010 09:21 CynanMachae wrote:

People want to be a hero by outing a mafia member by themselves out of their own suspicions. It was said a lot but maybe not enough around the time the day psot went up. Maybe next time if we spam the thread saying not to kill in bold, people will actually pay attention.

On March 08 2010 09:23 CynanMachae wrote:

Yes, spazz corrected me on this, my bad.


Make a blog or something, but don't do it here << And lol I'm an hydra

On March 08 2010 11:09 CynanMachae wrote:
The thing with not killing BM is that if we don't enforce anything (we've been saying before this day that whoever did like Malongo should be killed), what will stop the CIA agent from killing someone tomorrow, or the day after? While it is indeed bad to have to waste a kill on someone that is quite likely green, the situation could quickly get out of hand.

On March 08 2010 14:34 CynanMachae wrote:

Just to point ou that:

On March 09 2010 05:41 CynanMachae wrote:
By the way OpZ you might want to spoiler your post in the Archives.

And looks like there is no way Abenson is gonna be able to shoot in time...

On March 09 2010 06:08 CynanMachae wrote:
I don't mind, since by the look of it, it's gonna be freeforall-no-list typoe of executions.

If I would choose any of the 4, it would be l10f tho.

On March 09 2010 06:24 CynanMachae wrote:

My thoughts:
~OpZ~: Less inactive out of the 4, and standing out just before the night post wouldnt be very wise if hes red.
Vivi57, Nemy: I can't say much, Vivi had a bit more contents in his posts, but both are very good targets and any would be fine.
l10f: Same, except he did stand out more, and like citi.zen pointed out, Incognito has made a case againt him


Probably because his posts had facts and less of "i hate lurkers and pmer so I'm gonna kill them by myself". I does hold more weight. Anyway, with your convictions, killing l10f whouls be fine also, so I don't see why you wouldn't want that.

On March 09 2010 06:31 CynanMachae wrote:



So JeeJee, you're gonna be there, right?

On March 09 2010 06:36 CynanMachae wrote:

That was actually what I was pointed out, that I wouldn't call you inactive compared to the other three. "less inactive" should have read "not inactive" i guess. You got labelled with them because you hadn't posted in the archive. But yea, that posting style would fit me as well because I have big inactivity perids and small burts of activity

On March 09 2010 06:48 CynanMachae wrote:
If JeeJee is not going to be there I'm pretty sure he would tell us before leaving.

On March 09 2010 07:03 CynanMachae wrote:
Yea, he left 30 minutes earlier than he said he would. He set the time to leaving at 7:00 KST after called said he would bu the night post around that time

On March 09 2010 07:06 CynanMachae wrote:
And at first, he said he had to leave at 7:30 (1h45 from the time he posted first about leaving)

On March 09 2010 07:09 CynanMachae wrote:

That's the post I'm refering to

On March 09 2010 07:12 CynanMachae wrote:
lol fuck

On March 09 2010 07:13 CynanMachae wrote:
Well, the day lasted a whole 1 minute.

On March 09 2010 07:15 CynanMachae wrote:

What, aren't you gone?

On March 09 2010 07:28 CynanMachae wrote:
I just don't understand why the medic would claim to Foolishness and not to Incognito. Or he maybe did to both. Ok yea, since claiming to Incognito wouldn't do anything to prove that Incognito is town. But why Foolishness? <<

On March 09 2010 07:32 CynanMachae wrote:

Is there a reason l10f is in Shooters/non shooters and not fishball? I guess it's a typo but yea, just correcting that up

[B]On March 09 2010 07:48 CynanMachae wrote:
l10f still in both

And detective only have two role checks, so OpZ doesn't have any left. But JeeJee does have one left.

And acting willing to shoot isn't much of an indication, look what happened with JeeJee

On March 08 2010 03:26 Iaaan wrote:
Just read all the posts, Malongo probably isnt mafia, but I guess it is good to keep the metagame going or whatever. I do kinda think it was inevitable that Chezinu would die, he even PM'ed me before the game saying he thought he would die from the way he played other games.

but I guess it really helpful to say much about it, I'm not going to change anyone's mind.

All I really have to reiterate at this point, is that we should all use Incognito's Red Army Archives, to make life easier for everyone.

On March 08 2010 03:33 Iaaan wrote:
Xelin, if you read the thread, its pretty clear that the reason to kill Malongo is to preserve the quality of future games more than it is because he is red. I dont know if I agree with it, but no one has really suggested a better target (I don't think).

On March 08 2010 04:09 Iaaan wrote:


I think we should try Ace's plan, except instead of having it completely random, why not start off with someone who is actually a little bit suspicious?

On March 08 2010 05:45 Iaaan wrote:
I still think that the list we have shouldn't be completely random, doesn't it make sense to put suspicious-er people at the top of the list? (ie, abenson/fulgrim/xelin/whoever else)

On March 08 2010 06:42 Iaaan wrote:
uh oh
looks like someone got saved

On March 08 2010 08:55 Iaaan wrote:
lol @ bill

still no one has claimed protection.

On March 08 2010 09:05 Iaaan wrote:
@jeejee
bill murray kinda stole his chance to kill ;p

On March 08 2010 11:18 Iaaan wrote:
I might just kill BM tomorrow, people like him degrade the quality of every game, not just this one. I don't know about malongo, I don't think he is going to do anything dumb anymore, I mean, I can see why he wanted chezinu dead, but BM has a history of stupidity, like Ace said, you can't play this game with idiots around. Who knows, he could even be the CIA agent, since Caller assigns it and not the mafia.

On March 09 2010 08:58 Iaaan wrote:
What a shitstorm.

Question to caller: is meeple getting replaced? It would be funny to have L back, looks like hes willing ;p or can we just write him off?

On March 08 2010 03:31 L wrote:

INVERT. THE. LIST.

Dt check Ace, Abenson is the first to hit.

Also JeeJee what have I missed? Quite frankly I don't see anything that you've said that isn't covered, so feel free to bring something up explicitly if you want me to deal with it.

Fulgrim: Rofl, basically you're pulling a standard "don't tread on me". Pretty sure your overreaction to a rather weak suspicion is indicative of mafia or blue.

On March 08 2010 03:46 L wrote:

Generally you need to actually be pointing out something that is true, and since I've been posting real content and you decided to take an upswing in activity by plopping out empty posts after someone threatened to kill inactives I've got a feeling that I'm still a shining white knight compared to you.

Why would
1) everyone make a list
2) pm it to 2 people
Is there a purpose there? Is there some importance to it? I mean I understand that we're going to try to randomize the list, but I really don't see why we'd do so in a way that lets people severely game the system and avoid detection.

Additionally; Plans that require EVERYONE to do something (rather than not do something) never work. Not once. The only exception is a 100% confirmed townsperson asking for roleclaims.

On March 08 2010 06:27 L wrote:

Oh hey I don't need to kill you.

High five.

On March 07 2010 14:30 Fulgrim wrote:


I think that malongo is the best target currently, seeing as how he is the only distinguished candidate out there, although the chance of him being CIA is small....

On March 07 2010 22:51 Fulgrim wrote:


O.o you realize that CIA agent is like godfather, so he wouldn't show up as mafia so DT checking malongo at this point is useless.

I think right now we need to set up some order in the town. In normal games we have trouble controlling who to lynch because of the number of stupid votes people make, so give EVERYONE the power to lynch is a pretty scary prospect. I think we need to set up some ground rules so this game doesn't descend into chaos, we need to stick with a plan if we are going to win, not just killing someone at random at the start of the day post. There needs to be some sort of punishment for killing. By shooting someone without town consensus at the beginning of the day, you are really hurting the town by wasting its "lynch". If you shoot someone before the town agrees on who should be shot, and who is doing the shooting, you will be killed yourself. We need organization in this town, not random killings. Plus you don't have to worry about the mafia shooting back after town consesnsus has been reached unless they are a CIA agent. I can understand Malongo's first kill, because Chezinu could strike back, but from now on that kind of thing SHOULD NOT happen. The town needs to have some time during the day to decide before someone posts: execute ____

On March 08 2010 01:40 Fulgrim wrote:


I really like this plan, we could use a list that is made by a confirmed green. I say the town decides on a player at random and we all pm our lists to them, and the next day they could post the lists of the people who died. Seeing how today is the 8th of march, and Absenon is 8th on the list, I propose we send our "shooter lists" to him.

Also:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 08 2010 02:25 Fulgrim wrote:


L this page: Shit

Seriously why aren't we pm'ing a player all of our lists and then going with the list of a green who died? Does anyone have a reason why we SHOULDN'T follow that?

Also if we ARE going with Ace's list and ignoring Citi.zen, then DT's should be checking Absenon tonight not Vivi, work from the bottom of the list up, so that way if Ace is mafia we catch the people who he tried to keep safe at the end of the list.

On March 08 2010 03:41 Fulgrim wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

It was more of the fact that you told me I was posting "shit", which I was pointing out you weren't doing much better, but whatever =).

Why are people so opposed to everyone making a list, and pming it to two people and then those people will post the list of whoever dies tonight?

On March 08 2010 03:56 Fulgrim wrote:


You could call it an upswing in participation, it was a saturday night I was out. I like posting my thoughts whether you think them trash or not.

Ok lets talk about the town's plan for a minute. We wanted a list of people that we could use to decide the order for who is doing the shooting each day. Ace came up with a list of people and declared Malongo to be the first target. So the issue with his list is that we don't know whether Ace is mafia or not, which could be solved by either A) Killing him, B) Rolechecking him, or C) Using a different list! I was trying to expand on citi.zen's idea that everyone could make a random list and pm it to two designated people. That way we could solve the problem without wasting a DT check (which Ace could be a CIA agent), or killing Ace. It makes the most sense to ME at least.

I agree with your last point at least, that getting a large amount of people to do something is difficult, but chances are the mafia would kill one of the people who are being active, and who would pm their list to these people.

On March 05 2010 10:07 Malongo wrote:
In for shits 'n giggles.
Callers next abomination -> interactive clues through stream.

On March 05 2010 12:15 Malongo wrote:

250 posts + 3 months + stfu before a mod catches you complaining or you are going to be a drone forever. No kidding.

On March 05 2010 15:46 Malongo wrote:
Motherland demands proper colours in the roles description.

On March 06 2010 13:34 Malongo wrote:
Happy birthday Ace.
С Днем Рождения Ас

On March 06 2010 16:22 Malongo wrote:

U bet lol. I dont need to explain how this is going to unfold.

On March 07 2010 09:01 Malongo wrote:
execute: chezinu

On March 07 2010 09:03 Malongo wrote:

i got my role i dont care
execute: chezinu

On March 07 2010 09:04 Malongo wrote:

execute: chezinu.

On March 07 2010 09:05 Malongo wrote:

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWR
execute: chezinu

On March 07 2010 09:10 Malongo wrote:

Im f5ing at lightspeed.
execute: chezinu

On March 07 2010 09:11 Malongo wrote:

No i didnt say that. Please dont lie.

On March 07 2010 09:20 Malongo wrote:
I think U guys defending chezinu is a lot more nonsense than me killing him asap.
Why to protect him¿ It is not going to be better anyways and im killing a bad town player.

On March 07 2010 09:22 Malongo wrote:
Also note that i can kill him, meaning im green.

On March 07 2010 09:25 Malongo wrote:

Sure. Lets discuss. Why not to kill chez¿. It is the start of the game, we can kill anyone. Why NOT chezinu when he is clearly not fun to play with.

On March 07 2010 09:32 Malongo wrote:

OK. But. at the first nonsense post from chezinu: BANG! BANG!

On March 07 2010 09:37 Malongo wrote:

Yeah i cant f5 at lightspeed for 1 hr plus Caller is doing arrangements so you dont die. Shame on you Caller.

On March 07 2010 10:11 Malongo wrote:
execute: chezinu

On March 07 2010 10:14 Malongo wrote:

new rule or you are protecting chez¿

On March 07 2010 10:15 Malongo wrote:
execute: chezinu
gogo

On March 07 2010 10:16 Malongo wrote:

o´really¿

On March 07 2010 10:18 Malongo wrote:
MUHAHAHAH

On March 07 2010 10:20 Malongo wrote:

¿ so did i

On March 07 2010 10:36 Malongo wrote:
Ace disagree totally with your stupid: malongo is an idiot he is getting shot.

* Firstof all this was going to happen anyways. I mean there is exactly 0 reason to shot or not anyone in the game at first day. It was just a matter of time and you know it 100% someone was just taking the shot.

* Second I read chezinu as the nazi. By having him play with no other info avalaible there was no way to tell if he was good or bad for the town.

* If you want to shot me: do it. However, telling that it is because im an idiot makes you ten times as idiot and more likely to be a cia member pretending.

On March 07 2010 10:59 Malongo wrote:


1) I didnt shot someone else, i shot the nazi. As you see there is a subtle meaning there, my point holds when you realize there was no real excuse to shot or not to shot anyone in the game. Just think a moment there, you really expected that i was just hiting someone at random¿ Yes i was brilliant. I didnt shot someone because he could have shot me, i shot chezinu because he pmd admited he was the nazi.

2) Sorry what¿ you wanted a fully armed town to "decide together" what to do in a random shot. Plain wrong my friend.

3) Already said this: you can shot me, that makes you either A)CIA member trying to pass as a town member if you are a good player, B)The worst player. So i advice you not to kill me yourself if you are townie you should rather try to make someone more stupid to do it.

On March 07 2010 11:06 Malongo wrote:


Since there is no way to tell about ACEs allignment i counter propose to invert Aces list. I mean at this point Ace could be easily ukranian looking to buy time by putting his members in the last positions. As his plan is still valid i propose to use the same list INVERTED.

Abenson
Ace
Sidesprang
Fishball
Iaaan
Nemy
Shockeyy
Foolishness
~OpZ~
Johnnyspazz
d3_crescentia
Fulgrim
l10f
L
789
CynanMachae
Bill Murray
JeeJee
XeliN
Meeple
citi.zen
Incognito
Vivi57
dozko

I guess theres no problem about that no Ace¿

On March 07 2010 11:13 Malongo wrote:

1) Oh daddy Ace dont punish me plzzzzzz.
2) So what were we going to argue for the first kill¿ who kills the nazi¿
3) Enforcing order by killing someone that doesnt agree with you¿ Pretending my move was bad so you have to kill me. Doesnt it sound like an Ukranian¿

On March 07 2010 11:18 Malongo wrote:

LOL protect malongo so we can kill him tomorrow: are you fucking out of your mind¿¿ what if im trigger happy¿ duh¿

On March 07 2010 11:30 Malongo wrote:

Thats so wrong ace. Why should i be the most fishy player¿ so you are saying that im cia member, taunted chezinu to die from start and then killed him. Thats stupid. If you dont die tonight or next day we can get a sure hint you are not town. Again i didnt play like a clown, i had to balls to take the shot. So Ace do you have the balls to kill an innocent this time¿

On March 07 2010 12:34 Malongo wrote:

Wrong for the 100 time this game. You and I knew who the nazi was. So did all mafia. Killing the nazi is a bad idea Ace¿ tell me: if you dont have a better target is that really a bad idea¿.

On March 08 2010 05:17 Malongo wrote:
Not even gonna try to defend me, just want to point before you hit think it twice because theres one party that benefits and its not the town /lawl i should even get a medic tonight/. So far the best thing to do is to start hitting nonposters. This has happened a billion times, mafia doesnt like to post at all. Foolishness, l10f, Shockeyy. Zero posts. Im just gonna put fishball there because of his "im lazy" presentation. Im thinking 2/4 is mafiya.
+ Show Spoiler +
And for the next shooter: force Abenson to take the shot. DTs dont fucking RC me, its useless.

On March 07 2010 10:44 dozko wrote:
Haha shit got real fast. I dont think we should be shooting malongo - for one thing he gambled and it payed off; given all day 1 killings are likely to be a crapshoot I dont see why he should be shot (assuming he doesnt continue his random executions).

On March 07 2010 11:03 dozko wrote:
So chez hinted his role in PMs or what? I guess malongo's actions were a combination of general hate towards chez's trollish posting style plus the fact that he "thought" he was the only one who had chez figured out and wanted to prove himself or something.

Ace I like your plan; most people dont realize that from the total number of people who cant dk, the medics and detective are likely to be a small proportion. So the expected value of killing off someone who cant dk (even ignoring any roleclaims he might make) is still positive. So there's no need to freak out and reject the plan based on the risk of hitting blues.

So basically I like Ace's strategy and according to that list I will do the day kill tomorrow if we decide to go through with the plan. However Im still not convinced we should be killing malongo.

On March 07 2010 11:09 dozko wrote:
BTW im going 2 bed so in case the night is over quickly - I wont be able to read/post for another 16-18hrs, so till 6-8pm GMT

On March 07 2010 11:18 dozko wrote:


Oh, ok so the actual roles got distributed before the day 1 post. I didnt bother to compare timings so I thought that because chez posted before the day1 post he was just trolling.

On March 08 2010 05:28 dozko wrote:


Your idea is good but your thought process is ridiculous. Judging by the length of the night the reds have not yet sent in their night actions to Caller. Therefore the CIA agent is yet to be chosen. Furthermore nothing stops the reds electing abenson as the cia (if he is one of them) and then simply telling him what to write/writing for him.

So basically here's how I would like our strategy. 1) We go with ace's initial idea of a random list 2) We go with 789's idea of letting the confirmed green shooter generate a new list every day 3) We DO NOT decide on how to rearrange the original random list by ace until it is Day 2.

Also just for the record the chance that Xelin is pro town in all 3 games (BC's, Incog's, Caller's [assuming 6 reds]) is 11%.

On March 08 2010 06:17 dozko wrote:


No technically I am correct. The same way the probability of getting 3 heads IN A ROW is 1/8

On March 08 2010 06:28 dozko wrote:
Please tell me how I am wrong. I am by no means saying that Xelin is more likely to be red than anyone else ( where the hell did you read this), as the chance of being red every game is clearly independent... I am simply saying that the chance of him being pro town 3 games in a row, including this one, is 11%.

I know this statistic is basically worthless but people shouldnt argue about stuff they have 0 understanding of.

On March 08 2010 06:56 dozko wrote:


The reason is that I wanted to trashtalk Xelin ^^

On March 08 2010 07:00 dozko wrote:
Anyway on topic, I still think malongo is a bad choice of a first kill since I am pretty convinced hes not the CIA and killing him just to "maintain discipline" is a bit premature. Given that the CIA is not chosen by the ukranians as normal gfs I think 789's plan is a go. So we need to figure out who should abenson kill. Clearly anyone else taking justice in their hands should warrant a painfully tainted death.

On March 08 2010 07:31 dozko wrote:
One chezinu is bad enough but 2 is just retarted.

On March 08 2010 07:36 dozko wrote:
Seriously whats the point in playing a game like this if we are not going to be a team? Why the hell do you want to troll this game so bad?

On March 08 2010 07:38 dozko wrote:
This was @malongo & BM btw caller

On March 08 2010 10:56 dozko wrote:
Meh BM is definitely green but he needs to go down that was some stupid shit he pulled. Abenson what are your views, seeing how you're the potential executor?

On March 05 2010 13:49 JeeJee wrote:
privet
ya want play

On March 05 2010 13:57 JeeJee wrote:
bb bb bb

On March 07 2010 10:10 JeeJee wrote:
holy shit i almost missed the start of day one
and i suggest to follow ace's lead WHOEVER KILLS SOMEONE ASAP WITH NO REASONING GETS SHOT THE NEXT DAY

On March 07 2010 10:12 JeeJee wrote:
well then.

On March 07 2010 10:13 JeeJee wrote:
don't do it malongo
seriously

On March 07 2010 10:13 JeeJee wrote:
LMAO
this game is gonna be fun

On March 07 2010 10:14 JeeJee wrote:
jesus .. who can f5 the fastest

On March 07 2010 10:14 JeeJee wrote:
fair enough. malongo want to truce with chez?

On March 07 2010 10:15 JeeJee wrote:
well fuck
i'll take that as a "no" to the truce

On March 07 2010 10:17 JeeJee wrote:


what are you the rogue nazi? if you're town you still win with us

On March 07 2010 10:18 JeeJee wrote:


i didn't actually follow that game but i'll take your word for it
so i guess malongo's up on the chopping block if only to prevent this in the future

On March 07 2010 10:36 JeeJee wrote:
so shooting is cia/trigger/commy
i also figure cia's would only choose to appear as a trigger/commy

On March 07 2010 10:42 JeeJee wrote:
ill shoot you if you do that
killing malongo = having order
punishing people for creating order = Мафия

On March 07 2010 10:43 JeeJee wrote:
(was talking to L)

On March 07 2010 10:44 JeeJee wrote:


that reminds me
what's the final verdict for repeated executions from the same person, delay-wise?

On March 07 2010 10:48 JeeJee wrote:
what's going to happen when someone can't dk and says they're a medic or they're a dt?
i mean what more justification can they provide and what more do ukranians need to lie?

On March 07 2010 10:52 JeeJee wrote:
medic's cant dk though and townies can
so.....
?

On March 07 2010 11:34 JeeJee wrote:


between 0 and 25

On March 07 2010 14:37 JeeJee wrote:
k chill the fuck out
can we not start another L v Ace shitstorm


L, why are you protecting malongo? he fucked up.
also, why are you so hellbent on killing ace if he kills malongo? especially if you believe he is townie? (source:) is dozko kills malongo instead, are you going to kill him?

what's the logic there

On March 07 2010 14:38 JeeJee wrote:
also fulgrim
you're dead bitch

On March 08 2010 02:19 JeeJee wrote:


love you too babe

On March 08 2010 02:39 JeeJee wrote:
so it is just me or there's a big flaw with just deciding to randomly pm someone the lists, then rely on them to post the list of the ones that died? it is just kind of staring there at you

also L why are you ignoring my posts =( not cool.. i still want to hear your reasoning for wanting to shoot someone who you think is green and is acting in the best interests of the town, and you're going to have to do better than (direct quote) " because malongo is awesome"

On March 08 2010 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
i agree; in addition i like one of abenson/bill as targets
they're both shitting up the thread

On March 08 2010 08:53 JeeJee wrote:
we need to find out what happened to the blocked hit before we go any further
so step up, we need the info

On March 08 2010 08:55 JeeJee wrote:
oh yeah, also obviously malongo and bill are anti-town; surely nobody needs an explanation as to why. however since bill can't do shit next day and malongo said he wouldn't (and so far he kept his word in this game...) we can ignore that little bit of information until night 3.

On March 08 2010 09:01 JeeJee wrote:


bullshit
the result does not justify the means
it does not matter if they shoot a ukranian or a russian. if they do it without reason and without discussing with town, they should die. end of story. a "hunch" is not a good reason. having info via DT is a good reason. having town consensus is a good reason


Also I would like everyone's opinion on abenson this game. spamming shit and not stepping up when it was his turn to kill. comments?

On March 07 2010 21:03 XeliN wrote:
Ace I think your suggested randomized list idea is quite a stupid one. Will it not end up advertising to the Mafia for all to see who is blue? whereas the town will not be able to distinguish between red//blue

All in all dumb and I am suspicious of you for suggesting it.

On March 07 2010 23:14 XeliN wrote:
Also just to further outline the idiocy of Aces claim, if Malongo really was the CIA, do you honestly believe he would bring attention to himself in this way?

Of course its possible and certainly could be used as a double bluff relying on people assuming that he would not, but that seems like a stretch.

If this game had vote lynching I'd be bolding your name right now Ace...

On March 07 2010 23:20 XeliN wrote:


Reading over the roles more carefully it seems, like Godfathers, CIA Agents can appear to be shown as whatever role they wish so I take back the above aspect of my post as it seems the only "attempting to determine if he is CIA" that we can do would be on analysis of his posts//activity and not a DT check.

On March 08 2010 03:29 XeliN wrote:
I disagree with Aces plan and quite frankly i would consider the simple fact that he is pressing to kill molongo, someone who to me seems highly likely to be green, as a valid reason in itself not to go along with it.

If aces plan is implemented I will not be following it and if this results in my death then meh, the life expectancy of Russians is probably quite low anyway.

On March 08 2010 06:01 XeliN wrote:
Dozko that is faulty logic, here is the link so you may correct this most silly of assumptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

techinally actually it isn't but the insinuation is that my likelihood of being Mafia in this game is somehow greater than other peoples and in that sense it is faulty

On March 08 2010 06:19 XeliN wrote:
you have misinterpreted my post, however its not really relevant so cool story bro.

On March 08 2010 06:25 XeliN wrote:
I don't think i could come up with a plan that would be very beneficial, my disagreeing with yours means i should be killed?

I'll restate my position then to say that if the majority choose to go along with your plan then I will follow it as well.

On March 08 2010 08:58 XeliN wrote:
Bill seriously what the hell? The only thing I can think of to argue against killing you is that it is fairly clear that you are not mafia simply in your idiocy.

Then again the mafia team could have pre-thought this as a intelligent move to make and you being the perfect person to pull it off.

I propose killing Bill at the next opportunity and also putting into place an agreed rule whereby anyone who does what he did (jumped in and kills somebody without even so much as discussing it before hand) is immediately killed unless the person they kill is Red.

On March 08 2010 09:10 XeliN wrote:


In his defence he didnt really have much of an opportunity to step up, bill kinda swept the carpet from under his feet.

I think the whole idea of "first to shoot kills then night" is kinda flawed, thinking over the last mafia games there have been times where I have been "sure" that someone was mafia, Dozko being the strongest example in the first game I

On March 08 2010 09:13 XeliN wrote:
lol accidently pressed enter mid way through, to continue:

Played, only for it to transpire that they were townie. In those situations I'd have felt compelled to write Kill X and it kinda promotes or enables impulsiveness and not teamwork.

So yeah thinking this through I consider it imperative that something is put in place to stop this happening, I personally would be happy with the "if you kill without discussion or majority agreement and the person you kill is green than you are instantly killed"

JeeJee argued against this though to suggest it should be irrespective of the role of the person killed and I would be in favour of either.

On March 08 2010 09:30 XeliN wrote:


Good argument, I agree, forgot there was a delay in shooting after u use it.

On March 08 2010 10:49 XeliN wrote:
I also disagree with lynching Bill tomorrow on the grounds that he is most likely townie as pointed out citi.zen and also cannot even act for 72 hours and so his actions can have no bearing, well he can't even act.

Don't disagree with the idea of lynching him for what he has done however, just doing so now is not important.

On March 08 2010 10:55 XeliN wrote:
JeeJee he cannot act again for quite a long time, so that problem is irrelevant.

On March 08 2010 11:00 XeliN wrote:
Actually Bill Murray has not posted AT ALL since after the incident.

When i compare this with the last game it seems to contrast his attitude completely, he would post loads impulsively especially if he was put in a "lime light" kinda spot.

This to me is more worrying than his actual rush execution and seems consistent with the idea that it might have been a mafia strategy and not his own idea.

On March 08 2010 11:02 XeliN wrote:
And Ace that post was in response to what JeeJee wrote about a hypothetical that was NOT relevant.

Stop being dumb.

On March 07 2010 12:25 citi.zen wrote:
Off we go. So far we've had a really weird shooting, plus a plan submitted by Ace.

The shooting was... not THAT unfortunate, chenzinu's "style" irritates me to no end, so good riddance. Talk about enforcing order!

My thoughts on Ace's plan:

1. Shooting Malongo seems like a bad idea. By killing someone on the 1st day he proved he is either green or CIA, since regular mafia can't shoot people during the day. I doubt the CIA player (I am guessing there is only one, like the GF), would not be THAT aggressive/draw immediate attention. Of course, I could be wrong, so let's keep a tab on Malongo in the future, but right now Malongo seems green to me.

2. Shooting someone the town agrees to target is fine in general. However, using a list of names a non-proven player proposes is madness: if Ace is red he is trying to pretty much map out the entire game for us.

Alternative: use a "randomized list" made up by a confirmed green! How do we get such a list you ask? Have everyone post one (perhaps under a spoiler to reduce size in main thread) and use the one from whatever green/blue 1st gets killed at night.

Lots of work perhaps but fairly safe, no?

On March 07 2010 12:36 citi.zen wrote:


Good point, the mafia still gets to choose a "favorable" list. Meh... back to the drawing board.

On March 07 2010 12:37 citi.zen wrote:


He means the mafia would kill someone who had posted a good list for them.

On March 07 2010 12:44 citi.zen wrote:
Well, in this version blues need to be more careful about role claiming than in the last mafia game, no? They are prime mafia targets.

On March 07 2010 12:51 citi.zen wrote:


I actually agree on both counts. The inverted random list would still be random, so Ace should be cool with that. + Show Spoiler +

And yeah, as I said above, no reason to kill Malongo now.

On March 07 2010 13:46 citi.zen wrote:
why won't the reds kill blue players who roleclaim? The reds will know if the claim is legit, no? Are we relying heavily on medics here?

On March 07 2010 14:09 citi.zen wrote:


That is the real questions I guess, and whether we should we hurry up and kill someone immediately. On one hand there are no clues, on the other it may help to digest who got killed.

On March 07 2010 14:42 citi.zen wrote:


I think this phrase is very well written, although it makes no sense at all.

On March 07 2010 15:12 citi.zen wrote:
Right. But he can't kill someone again anyway because of the cool-down period. Nor am I sure he wants to really. Killing Chez... I can probably excuse.

That still begs the question: do we have a better target? Will we have one after the night is over?

On March 08 2010 02:15 citi.zen wrote:
Oh, the pleasantries:

On March 08 2010 02:25 citi.zen wrote:

k.

Does this sort of message make jeejee a better target than Malongo? Or is he a really smart townie fishing for info? Open to comments from those who played with him before.

On March 08 2010 02:32 citi.zen wrote:


Wait, why am I being skipped/ignored? By all means check me/ask me to shoot someone :-)

On March 08 2010 02:38 citi.zen wrote:
Also, I did think of many variations of the "list", such as pm-ing them. We'd need multiple players, not 1, otherwise we could be picking a red. Then these can all post the list. However, one or more could still be mafia, others could become targets at night, etc. Messy, I don't like it.

The reverse order of Ace's seems fine, as does Incognito's sign-up list idea.

On March 08 2010 04:34 citi.zen wrote:
PMs don't work well without confirmed greens, that idea was bad and is a distraction.

ACE: lots of us like your plan, but feel uncomfortable with a single player proposing the list and controlling the entire flow of the game.

On record: Ace, are you comfortable inverting the list and moving on? If it is randomly generated, the reversed one will be as well. If not, well, you can figure out the rest.

On March 08 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote:
A few things:

A. The Bill Murray situation

1. Bill should not have acted the way he did.
2. Bill is 99.99% green.
3. 75% sure Bill can be disciplined/trusted from this point on, if he feels he is kept in the loop & acting according to a shared plan.

I think it is a really bad idea to kill Bill, just like the other night I thought it was not smart to kill Malongo.

B. I find it odd some people keep insisting we kill confirmed but undisciplined greens: wasting another day on killing them only compounds the problem, putting the reds in a better spot. How come so few people challenged this nonsensical approach?!?

On March 08 2010 11:00 citi.zen wrote:
The game is structured so the town and mafia alternate taking shots. We missed two shots thus far. If we go after the rogues we 100% miss two more. The mafia lose nobody and still get to kill at night.

I don't see how this is good for the town.

I also fail to see how killing greens for 2 more days brings "order". Egos get bruised easily in these games, especially with red agitators amongst the greens. It seems highly likely to me that some other person will get angry enough at someone else at the end of those two days to pull off another solo, vigilante-type shooting. Then I guess we ought to kill them too, right? While the mafia keep at 100% strength, killing more green every night. Bottom line is people do not rally behind failure, so killing greens will not bring order and a disciplined following. On the contrary.

More and more I think this "plan" to kill off confirmed greens is mafia-scripted: buy 4+ days of quiet time, while the town kills each other off. How can the reds ever hope for a better start?

On March 08 2010 11:07 citi.zen wrote:
Let's look at this from another angle: how sure are we Incognito is blue?

If we think him "confirmed" we can start to build a circle around him and create "order" that way, no?

On March 08 2010 11:24 citi.zen wrote:
So Ace, right now you want to kill: BM, ShoCkeyy and Malongo. None of which you suspect being red. Do I have it right? Do you see something wrong with this pattern?

On March 08 2010 11:28 citi.zen wrote:
aka you are... turning rogue yourself.

On March 08 2010 11:39 citi.zen wrote:


Shrug all you will, but sadly killing "stupid" greens all day does not win the game. Killing reds does. You are acting just as irrational as the people you want to kill, saying it's not worth your time to try to convince anyone of anything and making list after list of green targets. What's worse, some other people will follow your lead and actually shoot these greens... just because.

Nice job ensuring chaos. If you are red, congrats. Otherwise...you know can do better than this crap.

On March 08 2010 11:44 citi.zen wrote:
No. You all need to stop doing shit just because you "feel like it". That's the whole point.

On March 08 2010 12:10 citi.zen wrote:


Yes, Ace is acting weird, but he does that every game early on it seems. In this game:

1. Offers first real plan. As far as i can tell, it's not a bad plan - making him likely green.
2. He insisted on using his "list". When pressed he said he would not be opposed to using the reversed one, but then still went back to his list when it came to calling the next hit. Since the important part here was the process, not the actual list, it seems like Ace should have been all for the reversal if it gained him even a tiny bit of extra trust, no further discussion needed. So this was odd/suspect.
3. Wanted to kill a blue for a PM directed at him. This makes it unlikely Ace is red I would think...

Sure, currently he meets his own definition of "not helping the town" = "stupid player" = "target". I just think he is a worse player than he thinks he is. I hope you calm down and prove us otherwise... but realize that is unlikely at this point.

On March 08 2010 12:14 citi.zen wrote:
I guess that's a "no" on the calming down and helping part. Maybe after you sleep on it...

On March 08 2010 12:20 citi.zen wrote:


... the point was that if you are red and someone PMs you to role-claim you have no obvious reason to post it. You could try to use them/kill them instead. The fact that you didn't do that makes you more likely to be green/blue in my mind, as I already mentioned. Nobody cares if he is confirmed or not - we have no way of telling right now anyway.

On March 08 2010 12:21 citi.zen wrote:


Try to keep up. With the arguments, not the insults.

On March 08 2010 12:33 citi.zen wrote:


This whole conversation is a distraction. Initially I wasn't even responding to you, I was instead defending you to someone else who thought you were a good target.

We need to focus on Incognito's message and stop this crap, so i am done with this pseudo-argument (nice pictures along the way though, thanks man!). If you must shoot me to realize your logic is weaker than you seem to think, do it. Just promise me to come back more humble and level-headed.

On March 08 2010 12:43 citi.zen wrote:


You're not listening, instead making up your own conversations and arguments. I never used the word "confirmed"... nor is any of that even marginally consequential here. I am done Ace, this is just spam burring Incognito's post deeper into the thread.

Just remember: if you shoot me Ace, watch the color I turn and re-evaluate your playing style afterwards. With honesty.

On March 08 2010 15:15 citi.zen wrote:
The "duel" format is essentially killing people at random, no?

I think Incognito's plan to rotate shooters and go down the list of suspects makes a lot more sense. Foolishness is a fine candidate for next day, better than any of the other names I've heard.

On March 08 2010 15:22 citi.zen wrote:


The mafia may try to muddy the waters, but the town still needs to follow Incognito's plan. There is no reason not to right now, and no real competing alternative. Stop shooting whoever you want and go with the plan.

On March 08 2010 15:45 citi.zen wrote:


Starting to think you are beyond help. Or red trying out an insane strategy. You want to shoot everyone because they haven't shared every PM with you? Medics for example don't want to post their role in the thread, why is that so hard to comprehend?



How can you claim shit like this when the number of reds is not even known?!?! WTF man...

Incognito's plan makes sense. Follow it. Right now it is our best and only reasonable alternative to chaos.

On March 08 2010 23:19 citi.zen wrote:

The first order of business once I "stop defending shitty play" would be to kill you Ace. Likely a wasted day, but as you say, we have to get rid of uncooperative townies anyway.

On March 08 2010 23:36 citi.zen wrote:


Please explain this to me again, keeping in mind we have no idea how many reds there are in this game.

On March 09 2010 03:37 citi.zen wrote:
I must be slow or something, so please explain this to me day by day.

Right now we have 2 "can shoot" players out of 23 people. Let's use Ace's "worst case" speculative number of 7 mafia. So we have a 7 vs. 16 situation. Next the mafia can kill 2 greens, making it 7 reds vs 14 players, with 2 confirmed greens. Then we shoot someone you want to shoot - Shock or myself or Incognito. They likely turn green/blue. The mafia kills 2 more people. Now we have 7 mafia vs. 11 greens, with only 3 confirmed "can shoot" players (BM, Mal, and 3rd shoter). Since according to you it does not matter anyway who we shoot, we kill someone else who is a "stupid green", let's say whoever is left of shcokkey/incognito/myself. Then the mafia kill 2 more townies. Now we have a 7 vs 8 situation, with only four confirmed shooters.

How is this a good plan (for the town, that is)? Please explain it to me slowly, day by day.

On March 09 2010 04:00 citi.zen wrote:
It is my belief BM can be reasonable from this point forward. Malongo I do not know, but he does not seem like a raging lunatic either.

Also, the rogue hits missed. This demonstrates to some extent they are not a great idea.

To my mind, this means it is not too late to establish order. What I don't get is why you are trying so hard to prove otherwise and let the game unravel. Pouting after 2 rogue kills is not the best strategy here as far as I can tell.

On March 09 2010 04:46 citi.zen wrote:


I think both you and Ace are too eager to make simplifying assumptions to reassure us that it's basically OK to just shoot at random. I am very uncomfortable with this suggestion and would ask townies keep their guns holstered.

We need to shoot the best suspects and do so in an orderly manner.

On March 09 2010 05:18 citi.zen wrote:
I am all for shooting one of the inactives who didn't post in the dedicated history thread:

5. ~OpZ~
13. Nemy
22. Vivi57
25. l10f

The PM Incognito posted about l10f does seem mafia-ish, so perhaps we can start there.

On March 09 2010 05:34 citi.zen wrote:
I am fine with that, but hope this will be the last deviation from an organized list.

Anyone have any complaints/competing proposals?

On March 09 2010 05:38 citi.zen wrote:
Why nemy? And why not play orderly if you are town?

On March 09 2010 05:45 citi.zen wrote:


Acting like a rogue will not help do anything but mask what the reds are doing and ruin the town's chances.

If you are pro-town, we should both be able to agree on who should shoot whom tonight. I have no problem with either decision, I just want to reach a common agreement. None of this "quick with the F5 key" crap. If you are pro-town, show self control.

On March 09 2010 05:50 citi.zen wrote:
Look, if you want to take the shot, do it. I have no issue with that.

On March 09 2010 05:58 citi.zen wrote:
Right...

On March 09 2010 06:07 citi.zen wrote:
As far as I can tell JeeJee, caller said his post would be up before you need to leave for home, so you can just take the shot. Let's not argue about this: you wanted it to prove you can shoot, it will be within your time window, you can have it. You're right, it'll be just as good for the team as any other shooting.

Everyone else chill.

On March 09 2010 06:14 citi.zen wrote:


Right, we agree: JeeJee will shoot l10f.

All other townies: let's not screw ourselves over again. The only people with a desire to create more confusion would be the reds/CIA agent.

Hope we don't have other really-realy-really slow/bad players on board who decide to once again go rogue.

On March 09 2010 06:16 citi.zen wrote:


read Incognito's post. Unless you have better evidence, go with l10f. God's speed JeeJee.

On March 09 2010 06:27 citi.zen wrote:


Right now we just need to act as a disciplined group for one day. Consider it a humble start.

You've argued many times shooting inactives is good, you should not have strong objections here. Order is what you've wanted/argued for from the start of the game, now help us get closer to that goal, not further away from it. Back up all that talk with actions and self restraint.

The same goes for the rest of town - keep it holstered and let JeeJee do the shooting.

On March 09 2010 06:29 citi.zen wrote:
By the way, this is perfect: JeeJee will be able to shoot at the time of the new post. I find him suspect, so I hope he can prove me wrong. Let's give him that opportunity :-)

On March 09 2010 06:29 citi.zen wrote:
By the way, this is perfect: JeeJee will be able to shoot at the time of the new post. I find him suspect, so I hope he can prove me wrong. Let's give him that opportunity :-)

On March 09 2010 06:36 citi.zen wrote:


You still have not offered a shred of evidence on shooting nemy vs. l10f, but at this point I don't care. Just make sure you shoot one of them. Otherwise you got yourself into a bit of a hole.

On March 09 2010 06:41 citi.zen wrote:


I gladly will, if JeeJee does not do so by 7:05 KST.

Assuming Caller's post is up when he promised, I confirm I will be here and am willing to take the shot.

On March 09 2010 06:44 citi.zen wrote:
PS: I repeat the appeal to all other townies to remain calm and not shoot. Don't let the mafia agitate you. Show discipline and/or force them to use a CIA hit. Don't let them off the hook for free.

On March 09 2010 06:45 citi.zen wrote:
Ace is smart enough to wait 5 minutes. He has nothing to lose.

On March 09 2010 06:51 citi.zen wrote:


My posts about self-control were about WAITING before pulling the trigger. How am I being inconsistent? Right now JeeJee and l10f are looking scummy, but who knows? I still plan on shooting l10f first.

On March 09 2010 06:58 citi.zen wrote:
I really hope Ace is just beating the bushes to see what comes out, but behind it all is being reasonable and has a plan.

On March 09 2010 06:59 citi.zen wrote:


You Sir are very suspect. Have fun.

On March 09 2010 07:01 citi.zen wrote:
Not only is JeeJee scummy, his refusal to shoot l10f is suspect too. And if they are red it also means nemy is likely not.

Not bad for a day's work.

We will soon see how l10f turns up.

On March 09 2010 07:03 citi.zen wrote:
Explain why that gives us more information.

On March 09 2010 07:03 citi.zen wrote:
No, I want an explanation from Ace.

On March 09 2010 07:05 citi.zen wrote:
He knew at that time when caller said he would post... it's all too convenient.

On March 09 2010 07:06 citi.zen wrote:
yup.

On March 09 2010 07:10 citi.zen wrote:
LOL. well, I feel I've given you enough to go on here. Hopefully yo know what to do. Don't be stupid/impulsive, work together.

On March 09 2010 07:14 citi.zen wrote:
HAHA - Ace for the "stupidest mafia player on the TL forums". Or "best mafia player" if he is red.

Either way I should shut up, I'm dead.

Have fun and good luck town.

On March 08 2010 14:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
~OpZ~.

On March 08 2010 13:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Ummm did you forget that medics protect blindly with out knowing who might get hit. I protected you cause I thought you might get hit since people usually always try to take you out first, so I thought since you know how to play very well these mafia games, I thought you would be a very good essential to the town, which is why I protected you the first night.

On March 08 2010 13:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Yes it will especially when I protected you tonight. Which is why I was asking if I was protecting the right person. I asked if you knew of anybody being a blue and if I should protect them instead of protecting you. I asked you to let me know what your role was so know for a fact I'm doing the right thing.

And incog I haven't been able to post there because I have been posting with my phone.

On March 08 2010 11:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Uh you retard if I can possible talk to some one that knows the game very well and will possibly know who might be blues that I can protect at night then we could win. But apparently, you're a dumb ass. Or did you forgot that there are still is night kills as well. Kill me so you can kill a blue and show that you really are anti town. Please it will show how retarded you are.

On March 08 2010 11:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Sorry man, but I just realized the person I've been protecting is seriously unstable.

On March 08 2010 11:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If some one is blue, please pm me. I will help this town win.

On March 08 2010 11:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Wow, can you read the fucking pm? And you will see why I'm pming you, you douche bag. Instead of trying to kill me, pay attention to my words. Seems like you don't want the town to win apparently if you're not going to help me.

On March 08 2010 11:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Shoot me ace please, so you can die instantly after I've been protecting your dumb ass. Yes, I'm roleclaiming, I'm a medic. If I die, good luck guys, but ace is being a fucking retard and anti town more than anybody in this damn game. Like I said, who ever is blue and wants to be saved, let me know before I die.

On March 08 2010 08:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:


And how do you know that Ace was hit? He hasn't even said one word since yesterday?

On March 07 2010 13:27 Fishball wrote:
Just read my PM and noticed the game has started, but I have no idea wtf is going on.
Execute what?

On March 08 2010 06:16 Fishball wrote:


There is no mod-kill.

On March 08 2010 08:28 Fishball wrote:
I somehow felt this was going to be like the wild west.
I wasn't disappointed.

On March 08 2010 14:15 Fishball wrote:


Updated. It is the weekend you know.

On March 08 2010 14:16 Fishball wrote:


Besides the last 2 games, that is pretty much how I roll for the past 10 games.