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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
February 22 2010 16:48 GMT
#1
A lot of TSL fans have come to expect a post-match rundown by the winner of each match. Because of my botched interview (SC2's mic settings fault) I didn't get to do this for my latest match. I've had a number of people ask me about the games, especially game 2, so I'm gonna write down some quick comments.

Game 1: lucky probe scouting on his core-before-zealot build leads to an opportunity for zealot harrass, which was successful, which leads to pressure on JF to have a flawless reaver/goon battle to get back in the game. I didn't give any ground in the first reaver/goon battle, so I'm ahead economically, letting me get shuttle speed and pump out a good number of goons

Game 2: My 2gate goon obs build, with good micro and knowledge of timings, counters DT builds and quick expansion builds. As soon as I saw the number of goons and zealots he had when I met him in the middle, I should have retreated, put a citadel down, went right up my ramp and gone straight for DT's. I believe that response would have at least put me back even with him, if not giving me an advantage or winning me the game. I was aware of this kind of gameplan but I just didn't do it. See my sig I tried to reaver harrass but he had goons on defense. When I first crossed my bridges, I wasn't expecting him to be containing me. I sent everything out on a move command and didn't watch them go. I didn't expect him to be there because I felt like it was too early for him to do that. If I had continued to try to harrass, I definitely could have done some damage to punish him for going for a contain at that point. But I didn't so the game was pretty much over. The 2nd shuttle suicide was just a misclick. There wasn't anything left to do, gg

Game 3: I was expecting him to either take one of his back expansions early or to go for speed shuttle off 1 base. Once I saw what he was doing, it was just going to be a straight up old-fashioned goon/reaver battle. My units had better positioning. With the positioning set up, I just have to babysit my reavers and wait for the moment when I want my goons to attack his shuttle. At the end of the battle I'll have more goons because of better positioning, so I trade my goons for his shuttle/reavers while I keep my shuttle/reavers.

Game 4: This one was interesting as I'm sure nobody caught exactly on to what my thought process was. Tasteless did recognize that I was shifting my build around when I was still on one base. What happened was I was planning to do my standard 2gate robo, obs reaver nexus reaver shuttle build. But I had a probe scout him and it saw 3 goons and 1 zealot outside his natural and it certainly seemed like the goons didn't have range. No range = DT. So I shifted my build to go for a quick kill against a DT build. Then I got some more info and realized he wasn't going DT at all. So I continued my original build, except it wasn't nearly as efficient as it's supposed to be. I could have had a nice advantage from builds going into the mid-game but I didn't. It seemed pretty even. So my gameplan was to get a ton of goons and continuously make reavers/shuttles out of robo. Once I had 2 shuttle 4 reaver, I went to go poke around at his front. If it looked bad for me, I would've zipped my shuttles around to bombard his 3rd or his main. But the positioning felt good to me because his reavers were a bit too far behind his goons.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
TArujo
Profile Joined September 2009
Portugal1687 Posts
February 22 2010 16:55 GMT
#2
Thanks was looking forward for this , GL in the finals and hope to see some more streaming in the near future

viletomato
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada277 Posts
February 22 2010 17:02 GMT
#3
Thanks for taking the time to write up your feelings, you really think about the fans =)
Tomatoes, the king of fruits
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
February 22 2010 17:05 GMT
#4
Thanks NonY, interesting read! GOOD LUCK IN THE FINALS!!
✌
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
February 22 2010 17:08 GMT
#5
Thanks Nony. I was wondering about the fk up on game 2 Still awesome series. Thanks for the self interview! hah
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
February 22 2010 17:36 GMT
#6
Thanks for the write up, game 2 looked a lot worse than it sounds
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
February 22 2010 20:09 GMT
#7
I was wondering how in each game you won you were confident enough to attack. Maybe it's just because my PvP is so bad, but you were able to finish those games super quickly.

Good luck in the finals. I'm rooting for you.
Super serious.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 22 2010 20:10 GMT
#8
Good stuff, your knowledge of timings and builds amazes me. GL in the finals, I'll be happy whatever the outcome.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
February 22 2010 20:55 GMT
#9
i love you even more than ret! thanks man. gl in the finals. don't take it easy cause mondy will be tuff!
i root for a good series.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
February 22 2010 21:07 GMT
#10
Thanks Nony, nice read
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
February 22 2010 21:23 GMT
#11
NonY for TSL2 champ
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8096 Posts
February 22 2010 21:27 GMT
#12
Although it's nice to have an analysis, from an exterior point of view, the only thing which happened is that Nony outplayed JF on every level. His micro was fifteen times better, his game sense was fifteen times better, his mechanics were fifteen times better and his scouting was fifteen times better.

Then he fucked up massively in game 2.

I was rooting for JF and from the first second of the first game, I got scared for him because compared to Nony, he looked incredibly fragile.

I'm expecting such an awesome final. Also, it will be nice not to have a mirror matchup.

The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
February 22 2010 21:53 GMT
#13
Thanks for this! Been wanting to hear about that game 2 for a long time now I feel.
화이팅
Skaff
Profile Joined February 2010
United States240 Posts
February 22 2010 21:55 GMT
#14
Just finish this TSL already so we can watch you play S2 beta! Good luck in the finals!
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
February 22 2010 22:03 GMT
#15
Thank you very much NonY. I was really anticipating the interview :O Best of luck on the finals!
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
February 22 2010 22:27 GMT
#16
Great, finally! Nony is a bonjwa
Nony is Bonjwa
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 23 2010 02:44 GMT
#17
Always interesting to learn the thoughts during the games. Thanks for doing this and GL in the finals!
Never Knows Best.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
February 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#18
thank you for the read, nony

GOODLUCK IN THE FINALS!
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
February 23 2010 03:58 GMT
#19
How come you can't pronounce your own ID?
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
February 23 2010 04:19 GMT
#20
thanks for the writeup. interesting read.

i'm cheering for you in the finals whooooo
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