With the way units clump in this game....AOE is way way way way to good. I just played a game against a T and he had NO KIDDING 4-5 tanks. ONE VOLLEY would kill EVERYTHING I own. I would swarm against him with LARGE numbers of zerglings and hydra and his 4-5 tanks would 1 or 2 volley my whole army.

AoE needs to be cut way down or clumping needs to be fixed...because zerg cannot swarm people worth a shit if it stays this way.

Edit: For you silly internet people who like to deflect questions with smart ass remarks...no I do not think hydra is the proper unit to counter tanks...but I sure as hell don't think 5 of any unit should be able to kill 100 food worth of units in 2 attacks.

pachi

Melbourne5338 Posts

February 21 2010 02:59 GMT

have you seen ultralisks or high templar? they're fun too

inReacH

Sweden1612 Posts

February 21 2010 03:00 GMT

Maybe the problem is your going hydra vs tanks

rANDY

United Kingdom748 Posts

February 21 2010 03:00 GMT

this is where micro comes in, spread ur stuff out. I assume a lot of people will have this problem since they can select everything at once

Dr.Frost

United States389 Posts

February 21 2010 03:03 GMT

What is AoE?

ToSs.Bag

United States201 Posts

February 21 2010 03:03 GMT

tanks are EXPENSIVE and you deserved losing your whole army for running blind into 5 tanks. Tanks are strong as hell, but expensive and slow to make. Bottom line though, I am in the qualifiers for a couple 2v2 teams and almost on 1v1 platinum on all. I have experienced tanks ripping through my infantry, but thats when you switch your techs. Most things have hard counters in this game. Unfortunately I don't know enough about Zerg to tell you that exact hard counter. But I have noticed very few balance issues to be honest.

Hydras: Still quite powerful
Sentries: Make ramp rushes HURT!

But nothing I would say is completely imba

kiykiy

233 Posts

February 21 2010 03:04 GMT

So? It took 3 storms to demolish my 140 food M&M (marine&marauder =D) army. Don't fight at chokes.

Deathfate

Spain555 Posts

February 21 2010 03:04 GMT

Maybe you should use more than 1 hotkey... try to make several groups and attack from different sides if possible...

ToeJam

United States282 Posts

February 21 2010 03:04 GMT

On February 21 2010 12:03 Dr.Frost wrote:
What is AoE?

Age of Empires

aoe = area of effect

Pufftrees

2449 Posts

February 21 2010 03:04 GMT

#10

On February 21 2010 12:03 Dr.Frost wrote:
What is AoE?

Area of Effect. So things like splash damage from tanks, cleave from ultras, storm from templar.

Rothbardian

United States497 Posts

February 21 2010 03:04 GMT

#11

You give us very little information. Was there a choke point, did you try and flank, how many units did you have, what were the upgrades like, etc. Besides, if he goes tank, go air. Just like in SC1 you don't use hydras against tanks, that's just fucking suicide. Then you come here and complain about it, sort of amusing to be honest. I hear neural parasites work pretty well :p Forces them to use energy on scans, and get Ravens. Mutalisks work very well too. Roach's soak up the damage decently too, then you can come in with banelings....BONZAIIIIIIIIIIIII. (especially since you can detonate banelings under ground now, right?)

OreoBoi

Canada1639 Posts

February 21 2010 03:04 GMT

#12

On February 21 2010 12:03 Dr.Frost wrote:
What is AoE?

Age of empires

Also Area of Effect

mOnion

United States5657 Posts

February 21 2010 03:06 GMT

#13

On February 21 2010 11:57 Khaymus wrote:
With the way units clump in this game....AOE is way way way way to good. I just played a game against a T and he had NO KIDDING 4-5 tanks. ONE VOLLEY would kill EVERYTHING I own. I would swarm against him with LARGE numbers of zerglings and hydra and his 4-5 tanks would 1 or 2 volley my whole army.

AoE needs to be cut way down or clumping needs to be fixed...because zerg cannot swarm people worth a shit if it stays this way.

um, this is how it is in SC1, you dont attack into tanks. basic skill.

iccup first. SC2 next.

Rotation

United States118 Posts

February 21 2010 03:07 GMT

#14

I don't see how this is much different than SCBW. Tanks are extremely cost effective. Also like SCBW, you need to spread your units out when engaging things like tanks/HTs. Even though you can select all your units, it doesn't mean you don't have to micro.

zergnewb

United States816 Posts

February 21 2010 03:09 GMT

#15

Well thats because Hydras died easy to tanks, even in SCBW. If you are going to be attacking that many tanks with hydras then bring mutas.

Rice

United States1332 Posts

February 21 2010 03:10 GMT

#16

tanks cant hit air units

pachi

Melbourne5338 Posts

February 21 2010 03:12 GMT

#17

hard counter to all of terran is basically mutalisks

Khaymus

United States750 Posts

February 21 2010 03:14 GMT

#18

On February 21 2010 12:06 mOnion wrote:

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um, this is how it is in SC1, you dont attack into tanks. basic skill.

iccup first. SC2 next.

So 100-130 food of zerglings and hydras would lose to 5 tanks in SC1? I think I remember rolling over tank armys with that many units.

And yes I ran zerglings into the front 3 tanks and got them blown up while my hyrdas were moving in...but the ONE volley the tanks got off before my zerglings go there destroyed half my hydras. Flanking helps...and I tried to run some hydras up to pick off the last 2-3 tanks...but one or two volleys took out 20-30 hydras in no time.

[Azn]Nada

United States275 Posts

February 21 2010 03:20 GMT

#19

On February 21 2010 12:14 Khaymus wrote:

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I think hydralisks have been buuilt to counter air units in Sc2, unlike their more balanced role in brood war. Suggest going Mutalisks or burrowed roaches that can move around and pop up right next to siege tanks;)

Tynuji

127 Posts

February 21 2010 03:20 GMT

#20

Post a replay instead of exaggerating.

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