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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
AoE needs to be cut way down or clumping needs to be fixed...because zerg cannot swarm people worth a shit if it stays this way. Edit: For you silly internet people who like to deflect questions with smart ass remarks...no I do not think hydra is the proper unit to counter tanks...but I sure as hell don't think 5 of any unit should be able to kill 100 food worth of units in 2 attacks. | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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inReacH
Sweden1612 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
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Dr.Frost
United States389 Posts
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ToSs.Bag
United States201 Posts
Hydras: Still quite powerful Sentries: Make ramp rushes HURT! But nothing I would say is completely imba  | ||
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kiykiy
233 Posts
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
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ToeJam
United States282 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:03 Dr.Frost wrote: What is AoE? Age of Empires aoe = area of effect | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:03 Dr.Frost wrote: What is AoE? Area of Effect. So things like splash damage from tanks, cleave from ultras, storm from templar. | ||
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:03 Dr.Frost wrote: What is AoE? Age of empires Also Area of Effect | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On February 21 2010 11:57 Khaymus wrote: With the way units clump in this game....AOE is way way way way to good. I just played a game against a T and he had NO KIDDING 4-5 tanks. ONE VOLLEY would kill EVERYTHING I own. I would swarm against him with LARGE numbers of zerglings and hydra and his 4-5 tanks would 1 or 2 volley my whole army. AoE needs to be cut way down or clumping needs to be fixed...because zerg cannot swarm people worth a shit if it stays this way. um, this is how it is in SC1, you dont attack into tanks. basic skill. iccup first. SC2 next. | ||
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Rotation
United States118 Posts
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zergnewb
United States816 Posts
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:06 mOnion wrote: um, this is how it is in SC1, you dont attack into tanks. basic skill. iccup first. SC2 next. So 100-130 food of zerglings and hydras would lose to 5 tanks in SC1? I think I remember rolling over tank armys with that many units. And yes I ran zerglings into the front 3 tanks and got them blown up while my hyrdas were moving in...but the ONE volley the tanks got off before my zerglings go there destroyed half my hydras. Flanking helps...and I tried to run some hydras up to pick off the last 2-3 tanks...but one or two volleys took out 20-30 hydras in no time. | ||
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[Azn]Nada
United States275 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:14 Khaymus wrote: So 100-130 food of zerglings and hydras would lose to 5 tanks in SC1? I think I remember rolling over tank armys with that many units. And yes I ran zerglings into the front 3 tanks and got them blown up while my hyrdas were moving in...but the ONE volley the tanks got off before my zerglings go there destroyed half my hydras. Flanking helps...and I tried to run some hydras up to pick off the last 2-3 tanks...but one or two volleys took out 20-30 hydras in no time. I think hydralisks have been buuilt to counter air units in Sc2, unlike their more balanced role in brood war. Suggest going Mutalisks or burrowed roaches that can move around and pop up right next to siege tanks;) | ||
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Tynuji
127 Posts
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
Send lone zergling or 2 first, to take the initial hit? | ||
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
On February 21 2010 11:59 pachi wrote: have you seen ultralisks or high templar? they're fun too ultralisks get RAAAAEEPHED by tanks, if you want to ZvT you need to use mutalisks, terrans defense vs air is a joke. | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:12 pachi wrote: hard counter to all of terran is basically mutalisks HEHEHE just ask Psyonic_reaver KEKEKE He keeps getting pwned by a few muta..apparently vikings do bonus to armored units and suck vs light..so Terran has nothing to fight mutas with. Is this true? | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
Try not putting all of your units in one ctrl group. | ||
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Skaff
United States240 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:20 Tynuji wrote: Post a replay instead of exaggerating. I am not in the beta and I don't have a replay... but I lost 150 zerlings to 3 tanks! :-) | ||
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
On February 21 2010 11:59 pachi wrote: have you seen ultralisks or high templar? they're fun too high templar are REALLY FUN! lol i use storms on buildings when i know i've won just to see the animation, its so cool  | ||
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FreshNoThyme
United States356 Posts
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:27 ShaperofDreams wrote: HEHEHE just ask Psyonic_reaver KEKEKE He keeps getting pwned by a few muta..apparently vikings do bonus to armored units and suck vs light..so Terran has nothing to fight mutas with. Is this true? Ghosts. I have a sweet build I want to try out once I get Beta. :p I also second post the replay. | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:20 Tynuji wrote: Post a replay instead of exaggerating. This. It's pretty obvious you're exaggerating. I'd estimate about 20 speed lings can overrun 5 tanks, especially if you make a half decent attempt to attack the tanks well. | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:41 getSome[703] wrote: This. It's pretty obvious you're exaggerating. I'd estimate about 20 speed lings can overrun 5 tanks, especially if you make a half decent attempt to attack the tanks well. Post a replay instead of estimating. | ||
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SensFaiL
United States98 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:00 no_re wrote: this is where micro comes in, spread ur stuff out. I assume a lot of people will have this problem since they can select everything at once what this guy said, if the problem is the units clump...don't let them clump | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On February 21 2010 13:05 SensFaiL wrote: Hydras I can understand a little bit, but good luck doing that with zerglings.what this guy said, if the problem is the units clump...don't let them clump | ||
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On February 21 2010 13:07 Tsagacity wrote: "Don't key them all in one control group really isn't the solution" unless you want to engage in the wide open and have 4 lings per hotkey :s It's definitely a pathing thing.Hydras I can understand a little bit, but good luck doing that with zerglings. Well this is an area one must learn to master then, isn't it? You have 10 different control groups, put 20 zerglings in a control group and flank. So much whining taking place. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:12 pachi wrote: hard counter to all of terran is basically mutalisks Day was mentioning "find that one unit that you can just mass to win" Mutalisks... | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Baerinho
Germany257 Posts
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On topic: Tanks are already nerfed from sc1, having 25 more hp but doing 60 damage in seige mode. Get a few brood lords to bolster your hydra army, brood lords are very op imo. | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On February 21 2010 13:13 Rothbardian wrote: 20 Zerglings per group are still going to end up as a viable clump for any aoe spell. Well this is an area one must learn to master then, isn't it? You have 10 different control groups, put 20 zerglings in a control group and flank. So much whining taking place. I'm not whining btw if that comment was directed at all towards me; I'm just confused when people try to give advice like "Don't clump your zerglings!" | ||
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Deleted User 55994
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
Saying, "Man, I got owned HARD by 5 tanks, they have crazy AoE. I honestly have no idea how to deal with them", is fine. Saying "AoE is overpowered" isn't the impression you should come out with after getting owned in one single game. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
Lings seem to stack when moving/attacking in huge masses. For example in this pic there are 193 supply worth of lings, and almost all of it is concentrated in the tiny ball that looks like an agitated ant hill + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8062/400ling.jpg) | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
On February 21 2010 15:05 Tsagacity wrote: I think a better title would be "AoE is hilarious." I swear I've seen a tank kill 60 lings in one volley Lings seem to stack when moving/attacking in huge masses. For example in this pic there are 193 supply worth of lings, and almost all of it is concentrated in the tiny ball that looks like an agitated ant hill + Show Spoiler + lolol i would wet myself storming something like that | ||
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On February 21 2010 15:16 Irrelevant wrote: people are getting lazy with this, "I'll just throw all my units into one group then click attack move" Seriously. These games are like.....1200ELO AoK games (Ergo, total noobish). Why on Earth would you constantly go from defending to attacking, to defending again (STOP IT!). After you repel an attack, expand/tech! Don't go chasing after him thinking you are going to win. It's getting frustrating watching some of these games... Also, why no hellion harassment? Seriously, you can totally annoy your opponent and easily expand while keeping him busy with hellions (Like vultures....). | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Perhaps it shall help APM, yes? | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On February 21 2010 13:34 LunarC wrote: On topic: Tanks are already nerfed from sc1, having 25 more hp but doing 60 damage in seige mode. Get a few brood lords to bolster your hydra army, brood lords are very op imo. No, tanks got buffed, they now do 60 damage to everything instead of 70 explosive damage, have longer range than before, more health and just costs 25 gas more. A +3 tank shot will insta kill zerglings even in the splash radius aka they are as scary as reaver scarabs against zerglings. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Smurfz
United States327 Posts
Gotta do more than A+Move against a group of siege tanks. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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Frenzied_Tank
Germany100 Posts
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
Flanking looks effective, as doessurrounds. Whenever psyonic reaver gets concave on a zerg... they die. When the zerg gets concave on his tanks he dies. | ||
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pat965
Canada274 Posts
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Coffee
United Kingdom347 Posts
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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
On February 21 2010 14:54 Zato-1 wrote: The only problem I have with the OP is the tone. Saying, "Man, I got owned HARD by 5 tanks, they have crazy AoE. I honestly have no idea how to deal with them", is fine. Saying "AoE is overpowered" isn't the impression you should come out with after getting owned in one single game. It wasn't just one game. Colossus seem to be unstoppable as well...especially against T. AoE in general just seems to good. | ||
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On February 21 2010 17:16 Khaymus wrote: It wasn't just one game. Colossus seem to be unstoppable as well...especially against T. AoE in general just seems to good. Tanks annihilate Colossus as do any air. Can we stop with the "This is OP" "This is impossible" "This is unstoppable" shit, please? You can not know an imbalance without having hundreds and thousands of games played. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
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zee
201 Posts
On February 21 2010 17:19 Rothbardian wrote: Arent marauders very good vs them too?Tanks annihilate Colossus as do any air. Can we stop with the "This is OP" "This is impossible" "This is unstoppable" shit, please? You can not know an imbalance without having hundreds and thousands of games played. | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
ofc they clump and ofc you lose the battle. you have to build a concave, some kind of line you ur units dont clumb and ur units can attack all from start of the battle. In sc1 if you just have a goonarmy on one spot fighting against 4-5 tanks they die too. But if you build a nice line and flank the tanks u win. Just because you can select all units at once doesnt mean you always should. | ||
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drivec
United States354 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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