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Broadband soon to be a legal right in Finland

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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
October 15 2009 11:24 GMT
#1
"The Finnish government has done what no other nation has; it has made broadband Internet access a guaranteed legal right of its citizens. According to Finnish news site YLE, The Ministry of Transport and Communications says everyone in the country will be entitled to a guaranteed 1 Mbit connection by next July. This is fascinating, but it's really only half the story.

The real news is that the country considers this just a preliminary stepping stone to a 100 Mbit service guarantee by the end of 2015. According to the story, "Some variation will be allowed, if connectivity can be arranged through mobile phone networks."

Granted, Finland's population is more like a very large city than a country as big as the U.S. There are 5.3 million people residing in Finland, mostly in the south. This would place the country about 30th in the ranking of world cities by population, but it still makes it bigger than any U.S. city save New York. Which begs the question - if Finland can do this, why can't more major U.S. cities?"

Source:http://www.pcworld.com/article/173691/finland_makes_broadband_a_legal_right.html

I always thougth Sweden would be the first countrie to do this.
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
October 15 2009 11:30 GMT
#2
is it gonna be free? or will you have to pay some broadband tax?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
ShroomyD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia245 Posts
October 15 2009 11:34 GMT
#3
On October 15 2009 20:30 29 fps wrote:
is it gonna be free? or will you have to pay some broadband tax?

nothing provided by the government is ever really free ^^;;
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-15 11:35:52
October 15 2009 11:35 GMT
#4
Legal rights in at least Scandinavia usually means that it's free and payed for by taxes. Like healthcare, School, Fire and Police department etc.
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kefkalives
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Australia1272 Posts
October 15 2009 11:36 GMT
#5
Time to move to finland.
prOxi.bOn ; \\ What makes most people feel happy/Leads us headlong into harm.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
October 15 2009 11:41 GMT
#6
why are northern european countries so fucking awesome? im seriously considering moving there later in life. although the weather is kinda dreary, but I kinda like that.
NeonSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-15 11:44:39
October 15 2009 11:44 GMT
#7
On October 15 2009 20:24 Integra wrote:

Granted, Finland's population is more like a very large city than a country as big as the U.S. There are 5.3 million people residing in Finland, mostly in the south. This would place the country about 30th in the ranking of world cities by population, but it still makes it bigger than any U.S. city save New York. Which begs the question - if Finland can do this, why can't more major U.S. cities?


While I suppose this is a legitimate concern for major US cities, the fact of the matter here is that Finland is able to call upon its national resources in this endeavor, whereas state or city budgets in the US can't reasonably compensate for this kind of major restructuring. While it is funded by taxes, the US seems to have a nasty problem with accepting higher taxation rates even though it is very common in Europe. Even if they could, the money would be much better utilized in aiding the public education or police systems.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
October 15 2009 11:45 GMT
#8
There are pros and cons with everything Iazz
Mada Mada Dane
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-15 11:47:35
October 15 2009 11:47 GMT
#9
That's great but our state/cities have already pretty much laid very cheap 100mbit throughout most of the country already, hah.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
October 15 2009 11:48 GMT
#10
"Free" as in just pay more in taxes. Of course the majority of US cities can afford to give its residents broadband. The better question is should they.

By doing so:
Government of Finland is setting priority of getting broadband internet for its citizens. It's now an absolute must regardless of what the citizens really though about getting broadband.

Government of Finland is also setting up different levels of wealth transfers, it's either from citizens to the broadband companies or from one citizen to another or a combination of both.

Government of Finland is laying the groundwork for its broadband industry to be insensitive to market demands and replacing it with political demands. The industry won't scale up basic speeds according to capacity and needs. Instead, they will wait for the government bureaucracy to set the standards for them. The government is now footing most of the bill.

It remains to be see what they mean by broadband and how much demand the people of Finland will have in excess of the government guarantee. Maybe in ten years, the government guarantee will be come all but meaningless when demand completely outstrips government guidelines. Then the people of Finland will just be stuck with a stupid tax.
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Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
October 15 2009 11:48 GMT
#11
Another problem that US has in comparision is how the internet structure looks like and how much it costs to make vs how it is here, and I assume in finland.

Afaik the digging is alot harder to go through with in alot of the parts of USA, and with the low tax rates and higher prices to make the internet infrastructure possible it's never going to happen.
Mada Mada Dane
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-15 11:50:14
October 15 2009 11:49 GMT
#12
Dude, congratulations!
Sweden currently has the world's 3rd best broadband distribution (after Japan and South Korea), but we'll slip if we don't get another injection like this. I'm real jealous of you guys!
Keep pushing the market!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
October 15 2009 11:50 GMT
#13
On October 15 2009 20:48 TanGeng wrote:
"Free" as in just pay more in taxes. Of course the majority of US cities can afford to give its residents broadband. The better question is should they.


This is just wrong, the taxes doesnt rise, it's a question of where they put their tax money at. Seeing as this is a project aiming to do good in the future, eventually this will help in other areas aswell.
Mada Mada Dane
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
October 15 2009 11:54 GMT
#14
On October 15 2009 20:48 Kyuki wrote:
Another problem that US has in comparision is how the internet structure looks like and how much it costs to make vs how it is here, and I assume in finland.

Afaik the digging is alot harder to go through with in alot of the parts of USA, and with the low tax rates and higher prices to make the internet infrastructure possible it's never going to happen.


Most of the cities and local areas have well connected media companies holding monopoly rights over infrastructure for certain types of media distribution. One of the best things that's happened in the US is that telephone companies and cable tv companies have started competing with each other over telephone, digital tv, and broadband services. The prices for really high broadband has come down quite a lot. It just looks like there's plenty of excess capacity.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
October 15 2009 11:56 GMT
#15
On October 15 2009 20:50 Kyuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 20:48 TanGeng wrote:
"Free" as in just pay more in taxes. Of course the majority of US cities can afford to give its residents broadband. The better question is should they.


This is just wrong, the taxes doesnt rise, it's a question of where they put their tax money at. Seeing as this is a project aiming to do good in the future, eventually this will help in other areas aswell.


Sure it does. It's only a matter of when. When the government spends the money. It can either raise taxes now, or raise them later. They can also cut spending somewhere else but that's an independent action with the effect of lowering taxes.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
October 15 2009 11:56 GMT
#16
On October 15 2009 20:49 GinNtoniC wrote:
Dude, congratulations!
Sweden currently has the world's 3rd best broadband distribution (after Japan and South Korea), but we'll slip if we don't get another injection like this. I'm real jealous of you guys!
Keep pushing the market!


I don't understand why Sweden hasn't done this as well, The IT growth in Sweden is on pair with the leading countries when it comes to IT structure, we could probably pull it off withinn three years without too much problems.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
October 15 2009 11:58 GMT
#17
On October 15 2009 20:56 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 20:49 GinNtoniC wrote:
Dude, congratulations!
Sweden currently has the world's 3rd best broadband distribution (after Japan and South Korea), but we'll slip if we don't get another injection like this. I'm real jealous of you guys!
Keep pushing the market!


I don't understand why Sweden hasn't done this as well, The IT growth in Sweden is on pair with the leading countries when it comes to IT structure, we could probably pull it off withinn three years without too much problems.


You folks in Sweden sound like you're managing just fine without a law mandating broadband. Why meddle with a working system?
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
October 15 2009 12:00 GMT
#18
On October 15 2009 20:58 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 20:56 Integra wrote:
On October 15 2009 20:49 GinNtoniC wrote:
Dude, congratulations!
Sweden currently has the world's 3rd best broadband distribution (after Japan and South Korea), but we'll slip if we don't get another injection like this. I'm real jealous of you guys!
Keep pushing the market!


I don't understand why Sweden hasn't done this as well, The IT growth in Sweden is on pair with the leading countries when it comes to IT structure, we could probably pull it off withinn three years without too much problems.


You folks in Sweden sound like you're managing just fine without a law mandating broadband. Why meddle with a working system?


The problem is "fine" if it was a legal right it would go up to excellent.
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Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
October 15 2009 12:09 GMT
#19
You're all lucky
sAviOr...
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
October 15 2009 12:24 GMT
#20
Afaik Lithuania already has this. This is overdue in so many western countries. If we generally accept that the "real world" infrastructure should be paid for with tax money, why not the internet infrastructure.

More importantly though, this gives citizens a right to sue for internet access. In many ways, you cannot take part in today's society anymore without having internet access. And this trend will continue. Soon you won't be able to handle daily financial, professional or administrative tasks without internet access. It is great to see that some countries take the right direction, and make internet access a citizen's right.
Unfortunately there are also countries like France or recently Germany that take to opposite route and discuss or actually implement laws that make it possible to ban people from the internet.

Whether access will be paid for fully or in parts or not at all by taxes is not important compared to allowing the people to enforce their right to access the internet.
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