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Vivi57
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Vivi57
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On October 22 2009 06:12 HeavOnEarth wrote: because townie veterans won't help the town at all right? but a mafia vet does so much more damage. Without them, the mafia organization falls apart so much more than the town If we can pick off a mafia vet right away, the town will have a ridiculous advantage Foolishness is right, one vet atleast is mafia for sure. That gives us atleast a 20-25% chance on the first lynch, which is good, unless something amazing happens between then and now. | ||
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Vivi57
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if tricode really was mafia, he'd definitely have someone behind the scene telling him to stfu and quit drawing attention to himself. I also think his behavior would change considerably if he was mafia. This makes L's plan bad. I don't care how bad a townie is playing, we have no reason to lynch a townie and guarentee that the town will be behind a day. | ||
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Vivi57
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On October 22 2009 15:57 redtooth wrote: so who should we lynch? should we go with the killing-the-vet plan and risk cutting off our own heads? what about just killing a random person off the list? we don't have any other good lynch candidates at the moment except motbob who i assume will be dead before long. anyways, assuming tricode is townie, killing him leaves DT with a lot of options and a good deal of information. i was thinking about this earlier and the way incognito's plan will work out will allow DT to establish the color of ONE type of player (green, red, blue). there are three possible scenarios: i believe the last bit is the most important aspect we have to focus on. obviously we want to lynch a mafia and that would give us the best scenario (DT knowing the color of mafia in his checks, knowing the color of town-aligned players in checks) and lynching a blue is bad (no explanation needed). but let's look at the scenario where a townie is lynched. using tricode as an example: the scenario the DT is left with is not bad. whenever a check flips townie, DT can and should ignore that individual (he should not roleclaim because there is a chance that townie is a godfather). however, in the case that a check flips one of the other two colors, the individual has a special role and should be scrutinized and pressed by the DT. that person is either mafia (who the DT should try to get lynched) or a special town role (who the DT should try to form a circle with). so in the end, i still stand by the idea that we should kill tricode on Day 2. he is a detriment to the town regardless of his role. there are some signs pointing to him being a mafia and lynching him in that case would be very good. also, the lynch is not totally useless if tricode turns out to be a townie. the information DTs gain about their sanity is priceless as they are absolutely useless without knowing their own sanity. killing tricode is a win-win scenario. The only problem is that this would take two days atleast and would kill the role checking abilities for two days. In addition, we'd set the town behind by a day or two. This dt plan is awful, we need to go with icognito's. The dt list should be used like a less effective medic list and any actual information we gain should be a bonus. We shouldn't obsess over dts finding their sanity, especially when they can die so easily. Quit distracting us from the aim of the game and trying to make us kill a townie. | ||
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Vivi57
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All the mayor gets is (potentially) bodyguard protection because historically, the extra vote has barely made any difference. I'm voting for tricode, expecting him *not* to lead the town. If a mafia gets mayor, it'd be awful because the town almost always follows the mayor into chaos before lynching them. With tricode, that risk is much lower and we're almost assured a green as mayor. My % argument sucked, that's why I stopped using it right after someone pointed out that I was a dumbass there. Again, tricode's platform is irrelevent because I don't expect him to lead (more than he would without mayor). I'm just voting to give tricode the first lynch. | ||
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Vivi57
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Assuming 4 vets, 3 townie 1 mafia (for balance): chance to kill 33% of the town's vets chance to kill 100% of the mafia's vets Yes, the town loses alot if we miss, but the mafia is permanently crippled if we hit. If some *amazing* behavioral stuff comes out, I'd rather go with that than the vet, but the vet plan is definitely solid. | ||
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On October 22 2009 17:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: your last % argument was flawed so by default, all future arguments involving numbers you say are automatically false fail | ||
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If the mayor has no leadership, then it'd force leadership to come based on what people say as the game progresses, rather than the masses following the elected mayor. It's nice that we could get a vet bodyguard protection and buy him a day or two of life, but I think the first lynch is much more important than that. | ||
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Vivi57
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your vet plan isn't that great either, so many fake claims as well as giving mafia a "do not hit" list I don't see why everyone is so obsessed with dts. Let's play the game without them and if role checks happen to do something useful, that's a bonus. | ||
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Vivi57
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And it's really distracting. And he wants to be mayor behind the scenes And he's working way too closely with pyrr Think. | ||
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I voted ace for pardoner over tricode because I didn't *want* anyone to be pardoned. In the past, ace has specifically said that pardoning is bad because it sets the town behind a day. | ||
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Vivi57
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2 mafia: massive protection for pyrr and ace 1 green 1 mafia: still very strong protection because they'd be sacrificing one of their own for ace and pyrr 2 green: this puts the mafia in a hard spot unless one of them is a vet. They'll have to decide whether they want to waste a nights worth of hits just for the possibilty they can kill ace and pyrr the next day. It'll make the medic mindgame harder for sure, but historically, medics have missed every night anyway. | ||
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I honestly think we need to look at inactives now. The mafia would just sit back and watch ace kill himself while having to do nothing and bringing no suspicion to them. I know this includes me and if I'm caught in the crossfire of going after the inactives, oh well. I'm going to go eat now, someone should make a list of all the people who barely posted or didn't post from the start of ace yelling and his death. | ||
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Vivi57
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Right now you have a bomb that is ticking in your mind, if you don't give me a better target other than yourself I will get a vig to kill me tonight just to kill you! Muahahhahahaahha! ruh roh --edited out screenshot at ver's request-- | ||
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On October 28 2009 12:39 Shikyo wrote: Expecting hosts to take necessary actions. oops. I could edit it to be just text if that's what people want | ||
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Vivi57
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The day post specifically says they hit dreamflower and judge. Unless there's a vig who hit L which I doubt do we think that dreamflower posted both bombs for sure? Pyrr a while back suggested that gf would claim vet and claim a few days later when noone else stepped up I think she'd almost definitely plant both bombs, so I believe L I'm still alot less sure about bc. He still hasn't posted anything useful, just like the game where he was traitor and avoided posting anything useful by saying he'd do clue analysis on day 3 (only then did he post some fake analysis). | ||
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Vivi57
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On October 27 2009 08:06 Chezinu wrote: Ok, ISRC you heard him- he wants to kill everyone in our organization. So to make him happy let us kill innocent vivi57. Or until someone picks someone better to kill. "innocent vivi57" intrigues me alot, especially combined with his threat pm. | ||
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Vivi57
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unless he believes me, redtooth, *and* scamp are mafia, his voting indicates he doesn't give a shit if we lynch a townie and he only cares about staying alive. This leaves two possibilities: 1. he's playing really really badly, driving the town towards a loss 2. he's mafia, and it doesn't really matter who gets lynched because any non mafia death benefits him | ||
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