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thrawn2112
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I take it you've already read rean's filter? Did reading that filter give you any ideas about who might be mafia? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On November 20 2013 17:42 jampidampi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote: OK, thanks. Have you read the whole thread? Is it safe to assume that because you are "intrigued" by Rean, you are in any agreement with Aquanim case on Rean? Yes I have read the thread once for a sense of game flow. Rereading now with actual thought. Aquas case has some merit to it if Reans reasons for thinking Sciberbia was "held back" are not good. If Rean had good reasons to think Scib was "held back" then it kinda falls apart. So originally Jampi likes Aqua case on Rean (with a caveat) Then.. On November 21 2013 00:22 jampidampi wrote: Firstly, I take "even after the case" to refer to Thrawns case on Aquanim (rather than Aquanim case on Rean) though I don't think this changes my concern.Assuming you mean your case on Aquanim. I like it. I especially like how it applies to Aquas play even after the case. ##Vote: Aquanim + Show Spoiler + Here's some more evidnce against Aquanim: On November 20 2013 20:01 Aquanim wrote: Well, it looks like Jampidampi has run off without adressing the elephant. I'm not sure whether to be insulted. He'd better offer some more constructive opinions when he gets back, though. @Jampidampi: This reads to me like two quotes demonstrating why you don't like Corazon's play so far. How does that leave you on the town side of null? I think you need to flesh this out some more. This post is odd. It feels like Aqua really wanted to say the first paragraph and inserted the second one to make a post with more substance. If Aqua wanted to address my post with the second pararaph, why wait nearly two hours? Since the motive of this post clearly wasn't to adress my post, it must lie withing the first paragrapgh. The first paragrapgh is just throwing some dirt onto me without stating explicit suspection. The motive behind it is to make me look worse. That, ladies and gentleman, is a scum motive. @LoneMeow: Could be more specific about what makes you think Aqua is town? What do you think about the case on him? Secondly, lets look at what the points of Thrawn case was that Jampi liked. On November 20 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote: Aquanim is scum. + Show Spoiler + I just read through all his posts and concluded that he is not looking for scum and is not suspicious of anything. I don't want to make a big post full of quotes so I'd like you to read his filter and then read this post. He starts the game by asking the "are you scum" question. When questioned about this he says he has a slight town read on Mocsta. In his next post after giving Mocsta the "teeny tiny town read" he expands upon the reasoning for said town read with way more words than are needed. Later in that post he comments on things that aren't related to scumhunting. He ends that same post with a question to Corazon but the question is not framed in a way that it looks like he is suspicious of Corazon. He then asks rean a similar sounding question, and posts another question for Corazon. None of it looks like scumhunting because I don't sense any hint of accusation behind any of the questions. After those series of questions comes a larger post where he gives me a townread, and says he doesn't like Corazon's case but he doesn't call Corazon scum for it. Then there's another non-accusatory question to rean, and he asks a nonsensical and completely useless question about vig shots. He asks who would mocsta shoot, but says that this doesn't mean he's asking for a scumread. What use is a vig shot other than to shoot a scumread? It doesn't make any sense at all and I don't see how he was trying to help town by asking it. So what is his filter comprised of? Town reads, overly lengthy explanations for things that aren't important, weak questions that don't look like he's actually looking for scum, and a completely useless question about vig-shots. ##vote: aquanim How is jampidampi PoV applicable if Aquanim made a case on Rean that jampi acknowledged potentially decent. Further look again at how Jampi explains why Aqua case could be meritable Aquas case has some merit to it if Reans reasons for thinking Sciberbia was "held back" are not good. If Rean had good reasons to think Scib was "held back" then it kinda falls apart. This is a strawman argument that is completely open to vague interpretation allowing jampi multiple outs.The main reason I find this scummy is due to how jampi adjusts his scum read based on thread sentiment. Later on Aquanim is off the noose and we get: On November 21 2013 23:09 jampidampi wrote: Guess, he gets the answer to "held back" is not satisfied, but leaves his vote on aquanim the whole cycle even though it made the case of merit.Rean That is like saying Scarlett is bad when compared to Jaedong. Doesn't explain how "held back" is the phrase that came to your mind when thinking about Sciberbias early play. Hasn't scumhunted very much. Might consolidate onto him. On November 22 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote: cDgCorazon (0): Aquanim (2): Rean (0): Onegu (0): Bereft (0): Mocsta (0): raynpelikoneet (8): jampidampi (0): Mocsta (1): Onegu, JarJarDrinks (0): No-Lynch (1): cDgCorazon raynpelikoneet [blue]is currently set to be lynched. jampi posted many times whilst Rayn went AWOL including giving him a calm/calculated town read: [B]On November 22 2013 00:14 jampidampi wrote: Yet his vote remained on aquanim this whole time contradicting his original stance.Rayn has some weird things as town in the past, though mostly related to fake claiming (Nuclear Winter for example). Both you and Aquanim need to read more carefully. First of all, I highlighted one post that "didn't say anything with a substance". My point about Aqua is about the motive behind his post, and he seems to continue missunderstanding that. He has yet to refute my actual point, instead trying to make my point appear to be something which it isn't and refuting that. I take ire with this town read further; as even people like Onegu who have extensive experience with Rayn were not able to distill their reasons for Rayn being town as succinctly as that one sentence. Yes, I do think jampidampi is scum. | ||
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Mocsta
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Chezinu has made no effort to integrate into the thread. Even when Scibs was roleplaying with him; Chezinu decided to be distant. I do not profess to be an expert of Chezinu -- heck I have only seen him play scum. But the couple games I seen him played scum, hes distant and unhelpful. (Matching up to my expectations) I feel very confident about this slot being scum. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 25 2013 17:02 Mocsta wrote: Further to jampi being scum. Chezinu has made no effort to integrate into the thread. Even when Scibs was roleplaying with him; Chezinu decided to be distant. I do not profess to be an expert of Chezinu -- heck I have only seen him play scum. But the couple games I seen him played scum, hes distant and unhelpful. (Matching up to my expectations) I feel very confident about this slot being scum. Chezinu's roleplaying has a purpose, it allows him to hide behind what everyone writes off as "trolling" so he can read people, and communicate his reads to his town reads without the mafia team being aware of his motives. I am not familiar with his scumplay but I'd assume that when he roleplays as mafia, he's hiding behind it, trying to make it look like there is no difference between town and scum chezinu. I remember playing scum vs town chezinu and it was terrifying, because I couldn't actually tell what responses I should give him because he hid his real questions so well. I don't think he's committed to his roleplaying as a means to catch scum. I could understand his points about scib but they are overly simplistic and some of the points are misrepresentations of what scib said (scib never called rean town in that post, only implied that rayn thought rean was town) That was what I meant when I said "not enough brown." On November 25 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote:However, style before victory. Having both the sun and the dragon live in the end is a more stylish victory. Just need to feed the dragon something else... style before victory On March 03 2013 12:08 Chezinu wrote: VII. Style before Victory Winning is not always easy. Winning with style is harder yet. Before you win a game, you must ask yourself. How do I want to win this? You want to be remembered for the fun you bring to the games and the style in which you win them. Winning the game as lurker is no fun at all, especially when you are mafia. Most of town will not remember that it was you who caused their demise, unless you send them the right message such as spelling GOSU with your night kills and sniping all of the blues roles. However, you must not limit your style to secrets. The reward of winning tastes so much better if you fool the town as one of the most active members. Be creative. Create your own theme if appropriate (point IV) or latch on to another’s, they will appreciate the addition to their fantasy (point V). This is taken from his House of Chezinu guide. What is the style before victory section mainly about? Winning as scum. dragon and sun I know I may have shown my hand in regards to my question about the "dragon" and "sun." The dragon and sun are obviously meant to be certain people in the game, that's the explanation that makes the most sense. When Chez roleplays everything he says is a metaphor for something in the game. Why a townie think that winning the game with certain people still in it is worth more than a victory without them? They wouldn't, because they don't know alignments. A scum player would certainly be able to derive satisfaction from winning a game and not killing off certain players whom he deemed a threat to his survival. What I'm getting at is in that post Chezinu was literally scumclaiming... style before victory, no? /tinfoil | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I will take that. What did you think of the jampi aspect? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 25 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote: This game .. haha Ohh man I will take that. What did you think of the jampi aspect? I was just about to try getting a wagon going on him right before rayn decided to lynch himself... since then I haven't put too much thought into it. I don't even remember what my read on him has been since that without going into my filter. I do remember the thing I found most scummy about him was his obsessive tunnel on aqua, which is a scumread he developed only immediately after I asked him about my aqua case. He said he agreed, voted aqua, then did nothing but call aqua scum the rest of the day iirc do you think i'm being absolutely insane about that chezinu post? | ||
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thrawn2112
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Aquanim
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What do you think about jampi's play? I want to hear aqua talk about this as well. Well, he made absolutely no effort to steer the day 1 lynch. His fixation on that single post I made to him was dubious, I thought he was making a pretty big stretch to claim that I couldn't possibly make that post as town. (Not having an outside view of my play it's difficult for me to judge that, though.) Fixating on somebody slightly maligning your play is a typical scum move I think and I reckon that perfectly decribes Jampi's play here. He claimed he was willing to consolidate onto Rean, but never did - and didn't try actively to argue people back onto my wagon either. Some of his posts showed a fair bit of dubiousness about Rean: On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote: How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town. On November 21 2013 23:27 jampidampi wrote: Is there something else that makes you think Rean is town? Calling someone a misslynch is to me a clear indication that you though there was a high chance that he would flip town. but there was never any further pressure on that front. All in all it's pretty scummy. I don't have an especially high opinion of Jampi's town play so it's hard to rule it out... but I find it difficult to believe that he could think this was a productive way to spend his time as town. (also what Mocsta said, I think he's hit the nail on the head this time) The thread's moved on a bit so I'm not sure if you're still interested in this but what the hell. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Many havebt played with him. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On November 25 2013 16:54 thrawn2112 wrote: A(la)ka "Slam" I take it you've already read rean's filter? Did reading that filter give you any ideas about who might be mafia? Just townread on Cora. I'm back again btw. Insomnia, then I must truly sleep for the night. His filter is really short. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On November 25 2013 17:23 thrawn2112 wrote: Chezinu's roleplaying has a purpose, it allows him to hide behind what everyone writes off as "trolling" so he can read people, and communicate his reads to his town reads without the mafia team being aware of his motives. I am not familiar with his scumplay but I'd assume that when he roleplays as mafia, he's hiding behind it, trying to make it look like there is no difference between town and scum chezinu. I remember playing scum vs town chezinu and it was terrifying, because I couldn't actually tell what responses I should give him because he hid his real questions so well. I don't think he's committed to his roleplaying as a means to catch scum. I could understand his points about scib but they are overly simplistic and some of the points are misrepresentations of what scib said (scib never called rean town in that post, only implied that rayn thought rean was town) That was what I meant when I said "not enough brown." style before victory This is taken from his House of Chezinu guide. What is the style before victory section mainly about? Winning as scum. dragon and sun I know I may have shown my hand in regards to my question about the "dragon" and "sun." The dragon and sun are obviously meant to be certain people in the game, that's the explanation that makes the most sense. When Chez roleplays everything he says is a metaphor for something in the game. Why a townie think that winning the game with certain people still in it is worth more than a victory without them? They wouldn't, because they don't know alignments. A scum player would certainly be able to derive satisfaction from winning a game and not killing off certain players whom he deemed a threat to his survival. What I'm getting at is in that post Chezinu was literally scumclaiming... style before victory, no? /tinfoil Thrawn, thank you for reminding me of chezinu's book, I need to go refresh. Chezinu! You see perhaps that Thrawn sees not with the eyes of CHUPAZI. (If you seek ennobling on this matter, or knowledge of these arcane arts, ask the Coagulation of OMGUS). For though he has wisdom perhaps beyond the Kush doctor, he sees not that which is cloaked. However, perhaps his wisdom simply is great. If I am to look Upon thee with CHUPAZI (a skill I still truly lack but whatever) am I to see that which is winged or a corner of the triangle? Tell Coag! You seek WriteCraft! The WriteCraft of alakaslammin CHUPAZI! | ||
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thrawn2112
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Mocsta
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How would you feel if you were my strongest town read? | ||
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Aquanim
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On November 25 2013 18:09 Mocsta wrote: Slam. How would you feel if you were my strongest town read? I would be really frikkin surprised But I need to sleep and CHUPAZI is all CHUPAZI is or means. However it is also Swahili. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On November 25 2013 18:25 Alakaslam wrote: I would be really frikkin surprised But I need to sleep and CHUPAZI is all CHUPAZI is or means. However it is also Swahili. Y surprised? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
Nobody ever does Good night | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Inherent guilt lol? Night | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Suppose I label the corners of a triangle in order of their acuteness. If I was to look upon you with the eyes of your vaunted chupazi, which corner would I see? | ||
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