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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 25 2013 06:46 GMT
#1861
how bout we not talk about town reads and town circles at night
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 06:47 GMT
#1862
On November 25 2013 15:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
how bout we not talk about town reads and town circles at night

How about you be more active and not force me to talk about this?
Grubby's #1 Fan
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 06:47 GMT
#1863
Or are you just butthurt cause you're not included in the circle?
Grubby's #1 Fan
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 25 2013 06:57 GMT
#1864
Corazon I'm going to completely level with you here. There is a reason people don't do as you say. I typed this out right after the lynch but decided not to post it.. but I'm going to anyway. I think it will help improve relations between us. I don;t really even think that you think I'm mafia, you're just pissed at what you perceive is a lack of effort.

+ Show Spoiler [@ Cor] +
Corazon I've tried very hard to not let emotions interfere with my posting. I've tried to avoid making jokes or pissing people off for my own amusement. I'm still going to abide by that, what I'm about to say is not an attempt to troll you or insult you or anything. Read it, don't get mad, realize that what I'm saying is exactly how I and probably others feel. There is a reason nobody listens to you. You act like a bully. You tell everyone what to do with their votes. You try to tell people what they're allowed to talk about. You try to tell me what my reads should be. You tell me I shouldn't have the same reads as Mocsta. You tried telling that I need to be town leader, which I do not want to do and you'd understand why if you've read WC2. Why do you think you have this authority? You don't! You start off this game just as null as everyone else, people are paranoid of your motives, you are not an "innocent child" and nobody has voted you mayor. When nobody listens to you, you whine and complain and throw a giant fit. Anytime somebody decides "hey Corazon is in this game, maybe I should try to figure out his alignment, I'm going to go talk to him and ask questions about his play" and then you post stuff like this:

On November 24 2013 00:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm sick of this shit. My play has been nitpicked more than anyone else's the entire game and it has gone nowhere. Why does everyone think that they are required to post every single thought of theirs? That is how threads get to be 200 pages long.

I'm done. I'm absolutely done. From now on, I'm just going to vote everyone who nitpicks my posts for no reason. Fuck you guys.


Why do you think anyone wants to do what you say? You are completely uncompromising and you act like you actually have the authority to tell people exactly what they should be doing. This is not grubby's chat room. You don't have mod powers, and you have to respond to people when they are questioning you.

All that being said, I look forward to figuring out Onegu's alignment with you. I am not being mean, I am trying to tell you why things are the way they are. Do I wish I'd spent more time looking at Onegu? Yes. But you are acting like everyone is to blame except you and that is false. Go read your filter from around the time of the quote I posted and maybe you will understand where I'm coming from.

That ok? Will things be kept civil from here on out?


"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 25 2013 07:06 GMT
#1865
Chezinu, who is the dragon? Who is the sun?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 07:09 GMT
#1866
On November 25 2013 16:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Chezinu, who is the dragon? Who is the sun?

Is the sun Moc-star? that's an awful pun if so
I got nothing re. the dragon.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 25 2013 07:13 GMT
#1867
On November 25 2013 16:09 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 16:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Chezinu, who is the dragon? Who is the sun?

Is the sun Moc-star? that's an awful pun if so
I got nothing re. the dragon.


It's vital that nobody enter this conversation, at least until Chezinu replies. Avert your eyes! They only surface when you're "not" paying attention!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 07:14 GMT
#1868
@Thrawn:
First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously:

Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town
JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch

Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them).

Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this:

On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 10:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:32 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon I'd like to see your thoughts on Jampidampi.

No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that.

You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu?

Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch.

Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was.

So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence.

He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read.


<Insert Corazon post>
This post is scummy/a scum slip/is bad/something a scum would say. Corazon looks bad/scummy/like he is scum.
<No vote>


Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others.

Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line.

Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/

You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle.

Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run.

Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 07:16 GMT
#1869
@Aqua/Sci/Bereft
Look over my proposal for the town wagon and let me know what you think. I think that it could potentially get us back into good shape this game.

Going to bed, peace
Grubby's #1 Fan
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 25 2013 07:18 GMT
#1870
On November 25 2013 12:16 Aquanim wrote:
Fuck you Corazon.

I'm going out for a while. See you all later.

Well first thing catching up on current events while I'm here before sleep. This crap is unnecessary, and especially since we didn't pay him enough credence (at least I didn't; I fess I didn't read his case through as I got notice I would have to leave and got in a rush)

Telling each other off gets town nowhere.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 07:20 GMT
#1871
On November 25 2013 16:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 12:16 Aquanim wrote:
Fuck you Corazon.

I'm going out for a while. See you all later.

Well first thing catching up on current events while I'm here before sleep. This crap is unnecessary, and especially since we didn't pay him enough credence (at least I didn't; I fess I didn't read his case through as I got notice I would have to leave and got in a rush)

Telling each other off gets town nowhere.

"Telling each other off" is what Corazon had been doing for the last page. And for a fair bit of this game too. Did you not notice that?
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 25 2013 07:20 GMT
#1872
On November 25 2013 12:18 Mocsta wrote:
@Alakaslam

Are you trying to change your typing style this game as well?

Well, trying. Let me know if you notice anything, it will become clear if I lose it because I will disappear (I am going to try to do the same in the other game as well, that wasn't fair) but until then any help is appreciated.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 25 2013 07:21 GMT
#1873
Haven't caught all te way up yet
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 25 2013 07:31 GMT
#1874
On November 25 2013 15:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, I'm just going to throw my idea out there.
In my opinion, the biggest problem of Day 2 was the lack of thread movement in the first 20 hours. This was frustrating for me and for a lot of other active players. It obviously wasn't ideal and I think we need a way to fix that and force people to lurk less; we had to choose between 4-5 lurkers and they had no reason or motivation to delurk. This is bad.

What is my suggestion to counter this? We form a town circle with Me, Aqua, Mocsta, and Bereft/Sciberia (one or possibly both).

These five have been the most active players in the game and I think we can all put our heads together and force the others to de-lurk.

How do we accomplish this? We should all talk for the rest of N2 and the beginning of D3. We should decide on a lynch within the first part of D3 and all pack our votes on that one player. This would force that person to delurk and we can change our vote or not based on their responses.

I think we need to work closer together and form a temporary alliance for at least D3 and hopefully D4 if enough of the players are still around. If we can get 5 people in our circle, we can force scum to kill either two people in the circle (and either force HF to protect someone in the circle or out him as scum with a fake claim) or we can have 4 people in our circle and bully one other player into voting with us (if HF is town and gets shot).


Let me know if this is a good idea or if I'm just dumb.

If you are dumb we are dumb together anyway.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 25 2013 07:31 GMT
#1875
Yes I totally get where you are coming from. I just hope you can understant where I'm coming from. I have a feeling that rayn would've gotten lynched no matter what I, you, or lots of other people could have done. He wanted to be lynched. I realized this after reading his filter after he flipped. During the hours leading up to lynch I stayed in the thread the entire time, begging him to help me see if he's town if he's indeed town. He refused to take me up on my offer until right at the very end, because he wanted to be lynched. That made me feel like my time's been wasted, when townies are trying to get lynched. Then, two people that I thought were scummy during D1 stopped playing. I changed my mind about rean during the night but those two (rean and jampi) were who I planned on interrogating next. That didn't happen because they left. So I was forced to look outside of who I'd planned on looking at, I spent a lot of time looking at aqua and bereft and finally decided they were town. Ok... I'm unable to talk to my scumreads from D1 and the people that rayn suggest looking at, I look at and they end up looking townie. The very next day I was ready to start tryharding, I open the thread up and see you doing exactly what rayn did which is literally claim that you're going to be uncooperative, and this pissed me off because I had a very strong town read on you and I immediately though, "oh no, it's gonna be D1 all over again and we're gonna mislynch Cora." I really wanted to rage at you but I decided that anything I would have written would have only made the situation worse.

What do you think about jampi's play? I want to hear aqua talk about this as well.

Alakaslam I want to know your read on chezinu since you talked to him a bit during D2.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 25 2013 07:33 GMT
#1876
On November 25 2013 15:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
how bout we not talk about town reads and town circles at night

K wish I had seen this sooner ty
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 25 2013 07:35 GMT
#1877
On November 25 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yes I totally get where you are coming from. I just hope you can understant where I'm coming from. I have a feeling that rayn would've gotten lynched no matter what I, you, or lots of other people could have done. He wanted to be lynched. I realized this after reading his filter after he flipped. During the hours leading up to lynch I stayed in the thread the entire time, begging him to help me see if he's town if he's indeed town. He refused to take me up on my offer until right at the very end, because he wanted to be lynched. That made me feel like my time's been wasted, when townies are trying to get lynched. Then, two people that I thought were scummy during D1 stopped playing. I changed my mind about rean during the night but those two (rean and jampi) were who I planned on interrogating next. That didn't happen because they left. So I was forced to look outside of who I'd planned on looking at, I spent a lot of time looking at aqua and bereft and finally decided they were town. Ok... I'm unable to talk to my scumreads from D1 and the people that rayn suggest looking at, I look at and they end up looking townie. The very next day I was ready to start tryharding, I open the thread up and see you doing exactly what rayn did which is literally claim that you're going to be uncooperative, and this pissed me off because I had a very strong town read on you and I immediately though, "oh no, it's gonna be D1 all over again and we're gonna mislynch Cora." I really wanted to rage at you but I decided that anything I would have written would have only made the situation worse.

What do you think about jampi's play? I want to hear aqua talk about this as well.

Alakaslam I want to know your read on chezinu since you talked to him a bit during D2.

Well, I am worried.

There are two people with unadulterated power to Svengali me on TL, Five who bear great power to influence me;

In order, they are: BlazingHand, Chezinu, VisceraEyes, Marvellosity, Coagulation

Therefore, I refer you to the nazi rowing the lifeboat analogy.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 25 2013 07:37 GMT
#1878
On November 25 2013 16:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yes I totally get where you are coming from. I just hope you can understant where I'm coming from. I have a feeling that rayn would've gotten lynched no matter what I, you, or lots of other people could have done. He wanted to be lynched. I realized this after reading his filter after he flipped. During the hours leading up to lynch I stayed in the thread the entire time, begging him to help me see if he's town if he's indeed town. He refused to take me up on my offer until right at the very end, because he wanted to be lynched. That made me feel like my time's been wasted, when townies are trying to get lynched. Then, two people that I thought were scummy during D1 stopped playing. I changed my mind about rean during the night but those two (rean and jampi) were who I planned on interrogating next. That didn't happen because they left. So I was forced to look outside of who I'd planned on looking at, I spent a lot of time looking at aqua and bereft and finally decided they were town. Ok... I'm unable to talk to my scumreads from D1 and the people that rayn suggest looking at, I look at and they end up looking townie. The very next day I was ready to start tryharding, I open the thread up and see you doing exactly what rayn did which is literally claim that you're going to be uncooperative, and this pissed me off because I had a very strong town read on you and I immediately though, "oh no, it's gonna be D1 all over again and we're gonna mislynch Cora." I really wanted to rage at you but I decided that anything I would have written would have only made the situation worse.

What do you think about jampi's play? I want to hear aqua talk about this as well.

Alakaslam I want to know your read on chezinu since you talked to him a bit during D2.

Well, I am worried.

There are two people with unadulterated power to Svengali me on TL, Five who bear great power to influence me;

In order, they are: BlazingHand, Chezinu, VisceraEyes, Marvellosity, Coagulation

Therefore, I refer you to the nazi rowing the lifeboat analogy.


Never mind that. What's your read on him?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 25 2013 07:40 GMT
#1879
On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Thrawn:
First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously:

Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town
JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch

Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them).

Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this:

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up:
On November 23 2013 10:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:32 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon I'd like to see your thoughts on Jampidampi.

No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that.

You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu?

Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch.

Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was.

So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence.

He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read.


Show nested quote +
<Insert Corazon post>
This post is scummy/a scum slip/is bad/something a scum would say. Corazon looks bad/scummy/like he is scum.
<No vote>


Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others.

Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line.

Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/

You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle.

Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run.

Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say.

Not sure I miss Rayn Cora
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 25 2013 07:41 GMT
#1880
On November 25 2013 16:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 16:35 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yes I totally get where you are coming from. I just hope you can understant where I'm coming from. I have a feeling that rayn would've gotten lynched no matter what I, you, or lots of other people could have done. He wanted to be lynched. I realized this after reading his filter after he flipped. During the hours leading up to lynch I stayed in the thread the entire time, begging him to help me see if he's town if he's indeed town. He refused to take me up on my offer until right at the very end, because he wanted to be lynched. That made me feel like my time's been wasted, when townies are trying to get lynched. Then, two people that I thought were scummy during D1 stopped playing. I changed my mind about rean during the night but those two (rean and jampi) were who I planned on interrogating next. That didn't happen because they left. So I was forced to look outside of who I'd planned on looking at, I spent a lot of time looking at aqua and bereft and finally decided they were town. Ok... I'm unable to talk to my scumreads from D1 and the people that rayn suggest looking at, I look at and they end up looking townie. The very next day I was ready to start tryharding, I open the thread up and see you doing exactly what rayn did which is literally claim that you're going to be uncooperative, and this pissed me off because I had a very strong town read on you and I immediately though, "oh no, it's gonna be D1 all over again and we're gonna mislynch Cora." I really wanted to rage at you but I decided that anything I would have written would have only made the situation worse.

What do you think about jampi's play? I want to hear aqua talk about this as well.

Alakaslam I want to know your read on chezinu since you talked to him a bit during D2.

Well, I am worried.

There are two people with unadulterated power to Svengali me on TL, Five who bear great power to influence me;

In order, they are: BlazingHand, Chezinu, VisceraEyes, Marvellosity, Coagulation

Therefore, I refer you to the nazi rowing the lifeboat analogy.


Never mind that. What's your read on him?

Null. He needs just as much time as I do. We are making more stuff for him to sort through in fact.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
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