EPTthen you neuter the other two setups completely by denying watcher/tracker of like 90% of their power.
wtf is that about.
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
then you neuter the other two setups completely by denying watcher/tracker of like 90% of their power. wtf is that about. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
It's more the general concept of Hiro to use a tracker claim as means of confirming town that I am against, not against claiming in general, but scum can easily counterclaim so it won't work that way. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:28 ShiaoPi wrote: @risk: It's more the general concept of Hiro to use a tracker claim as means of confirming town that I am against, not against claiming in general, but scum can easily counterclaim so it won't work that way. Scum most likely won't claim if he does it day 1 or 2. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On the other hand I could see it working out for the better if he claims as early as you suggest. He would leave scum fishing for the doc between the other townies. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:15 HiroPro wrote: How do you know the Tracker doesn´t track scum nightkills? Tracker doesn't track night kills. And if it's a setup with a tracker, there's a good chance scum would hold their RBs. On August 08 2012 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Okay. It´s based on the first post, quoted below: don't be insidious, explain why you find them scummy or shut up about it. On August 08 2012 00:08 ShiaoPi wrote: Well well, let's get started! Skip policytalking, we all know lurkers suck, you should not lie etc. etc. LiquidTomb's fallen demand justice, so let's go hammer some goblins. When I read that I see someone who is rushing a greeting to show that he´s here, doesn´t say anything on his own views and wants to shut down policydiscussion. It´s the very first post of the game, and he wants us to NOT talk about the only thing there is to talk about. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
I agree with marvellosity, not tracking nightkills make the Tracker and Watcher too weak. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
check the first page and the post risk linked, it's right there. Factional actions don't get tracked/watched. On your accusation (or rather opinion, it feels rather weak to me): I wanted to get started, so I posted, probably should have proofread it to avoid misunderstandings like this one. I am not against shutting down policytalk completely, I have already done some of it myslef by now. I was more stating the intent to not go overboard with it, since scumhunting is our priority. As you are doing it already, looks like my wish was granted, although on the wrong target  | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Callign ShiaoPi out for nothing and now you are actually complaining about the setup, in a game that already started. What exactly are you trying to do? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Forumite, what do you make of the fact that Shiao has been willing to discuss the setup right after that? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:43 prplhz wrote: Too weak? Callign ShiaoPi out for nothing and now you are actually complaining about the setup, in a game that already started. What exactly are you trying to do? Would you accept "Create discussion"? My assumptions on Tracker and Watcher was that they can track/watch for the nightkill. That would still give them false positive results from the Doctor, but leave 2 scum who they can find, not as many as the DT but decent. If they can´t see the nightkill being delivered then the roles are much weaker, so it came as a bit of a shock. On ShiaoPi, I wanted to see if my scumsenses were working after my break with a quick read. No, I´m not convinced he´s scum. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 08 2012 00:53 marvellosity wrote: hum, Can mafia roleblocker roleblock and kill, or must the duties be separated? On August 08 2012 06:03 Forumite wrote: The roleblocker is allowed to both RB and NK in the same night. See here: + Show Spoiler +Can scum send the roleblocker to perform the nightkill AND roleblock even when there are other goblins alive, thereby reducing the number of people at risk of being Tracked? However, keep in mind that tracker cannot track night kills. On August 08 2012 06:24 risk.nuke wrote: If the watcher is watching the person who dies, the watcher will know who killed him. See here:+ Show Spoiler +Bluelightz, what's the point of having adesignated mafia killer when it's completely uneffected by town roles? On August 05 2012 17:36 Bluelightz wrote: Tracker finds nothing. Watcher finds that Keirathi was visited by sciberbia. On August 08 2012 06:15 HiroPro wrote: Tracker doesn't track night kills. And if it's a setup with a tracker, there's a good chance scum would hold their RBs. On August 08 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote: Yes, tracker is almost laughably bad. Cop >>> watcher >>> tracker. But we're stuck with whatever we've got.that's fucking ridiculous. so you have one setup - cop, which is already by far the most powerful then you neuter the other two setups completely by denying watcher/tracker of like 90% of their power. wtf is that about. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Custos Luna
United States96 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On August 08 2012 08:28 Bluelightz wrote: Agh. Clarifying nao. Watcher tracks everything that visits his target, while tracker tracks role actions. Yes one person can both rb/kill in 1 night Okey, I'm still not sure but I'm starting to lean that if we have a tracker (which we probably don't have if we're lucky) he should claim. At first I thought hiros suggestion was dumb as crap but thinking about it more and including things that hiro probably didn't even realise I'm starting to feel this might be the best action. I think he should claim Day 3 or preferably during night 2. Just before the daypost. (He could put some effort into making sure he'll be around for that time) but otherwise day 3 will be fine. thoughts? | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
- The two things that have caught my attention so far are prplz first post + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 05:38 prplhz wrote: Hey didn't read thread yet can anybody tell me who is scum? He posts without reading, isn't relevant, sarcastic, and thumbs his nose at town. This just rubs me the wrong way. and Costos Luna's first two posts are pointing out a contradiction that isn't a contradiction and telling people to stop talking about a day1 double lynch, which no one was doing. - slOosh! you are the only absent member of our town, speak up! - P.S. Could someone explain the innocent child thing to me? I looked up the term on mafiascumwiki and it didn't seem to apply to this game. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On August 08 2012 08:38 risk.nuke wrote: Okey, I'm still not sure but I'm starting to lean that if we have a tracker (which we probably don't have if we're lucky) he should claim. At first I thought hiros suggestion was dumb as crap but thinking about it more and including things that hiro probably didn't even realise I'm starting to feel this might be the best action. I think he should claim Day 3 or preferably during night 2. Just before the daypost. (He could put some effort into making sure he'll be around for that time) but otherwise day 3 will be fine. thoughts? I think postulating about a setup we only have 1/3 of the time with various unknown lynches/nightkills in the way is quite an unproductive use of thread space. Even in your post you say "for things without Hiro realises" without expanding upon them. Looks like crap designed to spam up the thread. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
not sure how i got that one so far off | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 08 2012 08:40 DoYouHas wrote: P.S. Could someone explain the innocent child thing to me? I looked up the term on mafiascumwiki and it didn't seem to apply to this game. @DoYouHas An innocent child is a mod-confirmed townie with no special powers. HiroPro pointed out that (a potentially existent) tracker is a rather useless blue as far as actual night abilities go. However, HiroPro's idea was to essentially turn tracker into an Innocent child by having tracker claim today. If the tracker were to claim today, mafia would be very unlikely to counterclaim, and we would essentially have a confirmed townie with no special powers (seeing as he would be a RB-magnet), hence the term innocent child. I'm fairly indifferent about this idea myself. I agree with marv's recent sentiments that we are wasting too much time talking about a potentially existent tracker, and it's time to start scumhunting. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On August 08 2012 08:40 DoYouHas wrote: P.S. Could someone explain the innocent child thing to me? I looked up the term on mafiascumwiki and it didn't seem to apply to this game. I think the general idea is that the watcher/tracker could claim early, and by virtue of scum generally not want to trade 1-for-1 by counterclaiming, that the watcher/tracker could be confirmed town for the rest of their time alive. I don't feel like it was a particularly good proposal though. If the watcher/tracker claims early, now either his lifespan is limited, or he will be roleblocked for eternity. As as "useless" as they might be, they are always more useful alive and getting results than dead or getting perma-blocked. | ||
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