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On August 08 2012 04:43 Mordanis wrote:
I'm more than willing to, but I don't see any reason to claim town unless you're trying to come off as VT. If you give me a reason, I'll gladly reconsider if it makes sense. There's no reason to get grumpy ^^
lol, I'm not grumpy, just perplexed. Unless they're claiming something, everyone wants to be perceived as VT lol. Not to mention the fact that saying "i'm town" is pretty much a fluff statement - it doesn't mean anything.
What do you think of Forumite witholding his reason for thinking Shiao is scum?
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On August 08 2012 04:28 HiroPro wrote:
Eh I'd only ever consider double lynching in sciberbia's 3/1 scenario (or a 2/1 if it ever comes up). Anywhere else I don't see the benefit.
Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present.
Why would you want to guarantee one of our only 2 blue roles' death? Tracker might be "fairly useless", but its certainly more useful alive than dead.
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Right, and so saying that you shouldn't claim VT when you make a statement that's only purpose is to make yourself be perceived as VT seems illogical to me. Enough on that subject though ^^
Wow, Forumite's accusation came much earlier than I expected. All Shiao had done was come out as anti-policy, and then when pressed came out against lying and lurking. What in that is scummy, I have no idea. I think its clear that Forumite has some type of plan hatching, but until we find out what the plan is, his early accusation is sort of weightless. It could be an attempt to draw scum out or to force townie mistakes in order to mislynch. Or it could be something completely different, or even some amazing, irrefutable meta-read that paints Shiao as scum already. I don't see how that could be possible, but without further information, it's sort of a null read on Forumite for now. I think Forumite does deserve some extra attention, as I'm always kind of wary of people who are scheming.
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On August 08 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:28 HiroPro wrote:
Eh I'd only ever consider double lynching in sciberbia's 3/1 scenario (or a 2/1 if it ever comes up). Anywhere else I don't see the benefit.
Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present. Why would you want to guarantee one of our only 2 blue roles' death? Tracker might be "fairly useless", but its certainly more useful alive than dead.
I'd rather have a confirmed town than a useless blue. And I'm not saying that they should claim now, just that saying that if someone is tracker they should strongly consider claiming at a crucial point (Mylo would be good) rather than waiting endlessly for a useful report that they probably won't get.
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Hey didn't read thread yet can anybody tell me who is scum?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
@HiroPro:
Seeing as you seem to want a tracker to claim at some point, how do you plan to confirm him (like an innocent child would be)? I don't think we would get mod-confirmation for a tracker and therefore scum could fakeclaim just as well. Kind of defeats the entire purpose you had when you try to confirm a townie via claiming.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
EBWOP:
@prphlz:
If you like to listen to Forumite, I am apparently 
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On August 08 2012 05:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
@HiroPro:
Seeing as you seem to want a tracker to claim at some point, how do you plan to confirm him (like an innocent child would be)? I don't think we would get mod-confirmation for a tracker and therefore scum could fakeclaim just as well. Kind of defeats the entire purpose you had when you try to confirm a townie via claiming.
Sure, they can fakeclaim. But it's better odds to lynch between the 2 claims than in general.
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So your scenario would not differ much from a standard claim and therefore it should be examined and then judged based on the situation and not just accepted (like child claim would be), would be too easy for scum then.
Too bad I thought you found a way to circumvent the gamerules to modconfirm a tracker 
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On August 08 2012 04:28 HiroPro wrote:
Eh I'd only ever consider double lynching in sciberbia's 3/1 scenario (or a 2/1 if it ever comes up). Anywhere else I don't see the benefit.
Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present.
You mean claim, and if counterclaimed (by scum or the real tracker) we kill them both?
I don´t think it´s a good plan. A Tracker is not as good as a DT, but he´s not useless. An innocent child will just get killed if he claims D1. The Tracker can track the one doing the nightkill and the roleblocker, and know if his target is a Doc (no roleblock claim and survives), so basically a DT that misses the one scum that does nothing.
Can scum send the roleblocker to perform the nightkill AND roleblock even when there are other goblins alive, thereby reducing the number of people at risk of being Tracked?
(Only usefull in a Tracker+Doc setup, but still)
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Hi, You should ofcourse claim if you're roleblocked. It's just 100x better to claim in 99% of all scenarios so just do it.
Forumite hit spot on regarding double-lynches and represent my feelings to the letter.
It's playing with fire and scum will make us burn ourselves if they can. Also from experience people get lazy in their accusations and pushes and the discussion will be far worse. Furthermore the longer the game goes the more it generally favors town. We shouldn't aim to shorten it. Especially in this setup where we have a medic.
About using the tracker to claim for effect of innocent child. This will as you say only be valid in the early days before scum might try to counterclaim. While the benefit of this plan is that it will give us a confirmed town (or less likely trade for a mafia) which the mafia might not be able to straight of kill because of a doctor. (If they try we might even get some saves) I think the benefits of having an investigative role is better. But maybe it's just me assuming stuff. I'll try to think about this when I'm not exausted from work.
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On August 08 2012 05:38 prplhz wrote:
Hey didn't read thread yet can anybody tell me who is scum?
Yay, prplhz!
ShiaoPi looks like scum, just read the few introposts.
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On August 08 2012 06:07 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:38 prplhz wrote:
Hey didn't read thread yet can anybody tell me who is scum? Yay, prplhz! ShiaoPi looks like scum, just read the few introposts.
don't be insidious, explain why you find them scummy or shut up about it.
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On August 08 2012 06:03 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:28 HiroPro wrote:
Eh I'd only ever consider double lynching in sciberbia's 3/1 scenario (or a 2/1 if it ever comes up). Anywhere else I don't see the benefit.
Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present. You mean claim, and if counterclaimed (by scum or the real tracker) we kill them both? I don´t think it´s a good plan. A Tracker is not as good as a DT, but he´s not useless. An innocent child will just get killed if he claims D1. The Tracker can track the one doing the nightkill and the roleblocker, and know if his target is a Doc (no roleblock claim and survives), so basically a DT that misses the one scum that does nothing. Can scum send the roleblocker to perform the nightkill AND roleblock even when there are other goblins alive, thereby reducing the number of people at risk of being Tracked? (Only usefull in a Tracker+Doc setup, but still)
Tracker doesn't track night kills. And if it's a setup with a tracker, there's a good chance scum would hold their RBs.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
But stilll there is no need for him to claim. Just with his presence it would let our doc work much easier as scum cannot do too many RB's with his potential check. Do not see the need to lynch both claimers, just evaluate on the claims independently,I dislike both options , whether it is giving it a freepass or lynching.
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Bluelightz, what's the point of having adesignated mafia killer when it's completely uneffected by town roles?
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I must be missing the bit where it says Tracker/Watcher don't see NK actions. where does it say that?
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On August 08 2012 06:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
But stilll there is no need for him to claim. Just with his presence it would let our doc work much easier as scum cannot do too many RB's with his potential check. Do not see the need to lynch both claimers, just evaluate on the claims independently,I dislike both options , whether it is giving it a freepass or lynching.
If the tracker claimes he'll be absorbing roleblocks untill he dies.
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On August 05 2012 16:59 Bluelightz wrote:
Tracker & Watcher show's role block action as they track role actions and not factional actions.
Since NK is factional, tracker/watcher won't see it
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