EPTSchedule is
10 minutes before day 1 post PMs go out.
done :D <3 glhf
also obs qts are going to be sent out now.
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Schedule is 10 minutes before day 1 post PMs go out. done :D <3 glhf also obs qts are going to be sent out now. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Day 1 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/x0dqQ.jpg) It was not an easy year for the Dwarves of LiquidTomb. It rarely is, actually, but this one was particularly rough. After the great flood which washed away Urist McUrist, the fortress was left without its Expedition Leader and Mayor. Who could possibly step into the gap left by this great leader? Who could take up his labors and his mantle and lead the dwarves to greatness? Why, none other than Qatol! A legendary Cheese Maker, Qatol was sure to guide us through the darkness and bring us to the nicer, warming darkness of our dwarven beds. Definitely not to the light, though, since as dwarves you never go above ground and seeing bright light would only cause vomiting and nausea. For many long days that Slate, all seemed well. And then, horror! Qatol was found dead! And even worse, it was Incognito whose hand held the knife! He struck down both GreyMist before being overwhelmed and unmasked as-- gasp-- a GOBLIN in disguise! In their horror, the Fortress went insane! iGrok, in his madness, ran to a murky pool for a drink-- the poor, poor fool was quickly extinguished, dragged underwater and wrestled to death. In the confusion, Zona managed to make her escape. Finally, things died down as the dwarves realized their only choice: now the fort bands together. They must find the other goblins, or die trying. Each day, hammer a dwarf before bed. Continue until there are no goblins. An easy, dwarflike solution for a dwarflike people. This should be Fun. Qatol the legendary Cheese Maker has been struck down! Incognito the incognito goblin spy has been Hammered! GreyMist died of goblinite poisoning! iGrok the Novice Fish Cleaner cancels Drink: Interrupted by Carp. Zona the Angelic Acolyte has ascended the lunar staircase! The deadline is in 48 hours at 15:00 GMT (+00:00). The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Skip policytalking, we all know lurkers suck, you should not lie etc. etc. LiquidTomb's fallen demand justice, so let's go hammer some goblins. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
If you want to have a long version of my policythoughts, here it comes. DO NOT LURK, or I will find a way to kick you in the butt. LIES DO NOT HELP (at least in 99% of cases) and therefore don't even think about it Since it's just us two right now, what about your preferences? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Back in all seriousness I am not too fond of doing too much policytalk either hence my first post. Will be some time until US gets to the thread I guess. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
First thing's first: I can truthfully report that I have rolled Dwarf, so I'll try my utmost to root out this nasty Goblin infiltration, protect our fortress's stock of booze, and avenge our fallen leaders: Qatol and UristMcUrist! As per usual, I hope to convince you all of my righteous alignment by way of some successful scumhunting. Let's hammer us some goblins! I have 2 goals for this post: 1) Share some (IMO mildly helpful) information and opinions 2) More importantly, get discussion started as quickly as possible everything you want to know about sciberbia+ Show Spoiler + I will amicably respond to either 'sciberbia' or 'scib'. TL Mafia History =========================================================================================== Lost as Vanilla Townie in Newbie Mini XIV Lost as Vanilla Townie in Newbie Mini XV Lost as Vanilla Townie in Newbie Mini XVII Lost as Vanilla Townie in Newbie Mini XIX Won as Mason in Can't Believe It's Not Themed Mini I work from roughly 11AM to 6PM (EDT) on weekdays. But I'm often busy until 9PM. The vast majority of time that I spend on the game (on weekdays) will be between 9PM and 3AM (EDT). Unfortunately, I'll be asleep in the hours leading up to deadlines, but I'll make an effort to check the thread just before 11 in case I need to switch my vote for whatever reason. Who I've played with before: Old faces: Keirathi, Shiaopi, marvellosity, Mordanis New faces: HiroPro, Custos Luna, prplhz, slOosh, Forumite, DoYouHas, risk.nuke I see that Shiaopi is discouraging policy talk, but I contend that policy talk is the best (only?) way to get meaningful discussion started, and I don't think this stuff is that obvious, so here we go: Thoughts on roleclaims+ Show Spoiler + Vanilla Townies Please do not roleclaim without a very good reason. Doctor As long as there is more than one Goblin alive, I don't think it's wise to spare an otherwise scummy candidate just because they roleclaim doc. We essentially have 2 different policy options: A) If our top suspect roleclaims doc, we spare them unless there is a doc cc (counterclaim)+ Show Spoiler + The problem with this policy is that a mafia who is about to be lynched has nothing to lose (and a lot to gain) from fakeclaiming doc. Our real doc will be forced to cc, and will surely be subsequently NK'd. So, this policy would essentially force our doc to out himself before we could even lynch 1 mafia. The one scenario where this policy is useful is the scenario where we are about to lynch our real doc. Doc will claim, and mafia will almost surely not cc. We will hastily lynch somebody else (probably a mislynch), and our doc will die that night anyway. So, this policy maybe saves us 1 ML in the case where we are about to lynch our doc. IMO, the benefits don't outweigh the costs, and this is not a good policy. B) We lynch our top suspect even if they roleclaim doc -- don't wait for a cc+ Show Spoiler + I like this policy much better. Under this policy, mafia have no prospect of worming their way out of a lynch by fakeclaiming doc. The only downside is that we may in fact ML on our real doc, but that is a risk that I'm willing to take. In summary: I think policy B is much better than policy A. I will not unvote a scummy candidate just because he is claiming doc. I will not even ask for counterclaims. I believe this to be the best policy for this setup, and suggest that you all adhere to it as well. Cop/Tracker/Watcher Depending on the situations with the doc and the scum RB'r, I might be willing to unvote an otherwise scummy candidate if they roleclaim cop/tracker/watcher, depending on the plausibility of the claim. I think that the policy of waiting for a cc is better in this case for a few reasons: 1) We can avoid mislynching on our cop/tracker/watcher. 2) Not only can we avoid the mislynch on a blue, but cop/tracker/watcher can be kept alive during night phases by the doc. So, we can get some more reports (if RB'r is dead). 3) If we are about to lynch a mafia and they have a good cop/tracker/watcher fakeclaim ready, this would force our real cop/tracker/watcher to out himself, which really isn't the end of the world so long as we have a doc alive. Letting mafia know the identity of our cop/tracker/watcher is not nearly as bad as letting mafia know the identity of our doc. In summary: If cop/tracker/watcher is about to be lynched, I think they should claim. If the claim makes sense, I'd possibly be willing to leave them alive (unless there is a counterclaim of course). How many people should we aim to lynch each day?+ Show Spoiler + This game uses a plurality lynch system with a twist: if multiple players are tied with the highest number of votes, then all players included in said tie are lynched. This leaves open the possibility for us to intentionally create a tie amongst several candidates in order to lynch all of them and increase our KP. I have thought about this a LOT over the past couple days and have come to the following conclusions: 1) Trying to lynch 3 or more players on the same day is usually a very bad idea+ Show Spoiler + reasoning is somewhat involved... not gonna type it all out unless someone is interested 2) There are situations where it is clearly in our best interest to lynch 2 people in one day+ Show Spoiler + Here are two clear examples to prove my point. So don't close your mind to the possibility. Example #1: 3 VT's and 1 goon remain This is MYLO, and we would have roughly a 25% chance of winning the game if we lynch one person. It is clearly better to lynch 2 people in this situation. This increases our odds to 50%. You might ask how this would be accomplished. Well, label the four remaining players A, B, C, and D. Assume that the consensus opinion is that A and B are most likely town and C and D are most likely mafia (due to either blue information or scumreads). Now voting goes as follows: A votes for C B votes for D C votes for D D votes for C Note that neither C nor D can prevent their own lynch, so they might as well take the other scummy player down with them. Town gets off 2 lynches and has at least a 50% chance of winning. Example #2: 6 VT's and 1 goon remain Through conventional lynching methods, town can afford exactly 2 mislynches. The first mislynch and subsequent NK would bring us down to 4 VT's and 1 goon. The 2nd mislynch and subsequent NK would bring us down to 2 VT's and 1 goon. We can afford two mislynches and no more. However, if we arrange a lynch on 2 people on the first day, we can afford a total of 3 mislynches. Even if both people we lynch on the first day turn out to be town, the mafia NK will bring us down to 3 VT's and 1 goon. As detailed above, we can still lynch 2 more people, 1 of which may be a mislynch. So in total, we get off 4 lynches in the worst-case scenario. Lynching two people at a time lets us lynch one extra person in this scenario, and is clearly beneficial. 3) We should only aim to lynch one person on D1+ Show Spoiler + This is for two major reasons. 1) It is generally acknowledged that D1 reads are least reliable. It seems a bit overly ambitious to make two lynches after only 48 hours of scumhunting. 2) In order for a double-lynch to be successfully orchestrated, absolutely everybody must agree that it is in our best interest. I can't see this happening today. Therefore, I think we would just waste a lot of valuable time arguing about this policy, and any naysayers would sabotage the plan in the end anyway. So yea, let's just lynch 1 person today. Wow that was long. Unfortunately, I'm already late for work, so I won't be posting much (if at all) for the next 8-10 hours. I urge everyone to start making meaningful posts ASAP because D1 always feels too short. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
What´s the point of watcher and tracker? DT is easy, check someone you think is scum. Watcher and Tracker just seem like weaker versions of a DT, with many false positive results. Are there any advantages? Do Scum decide on their own who among them carries out the nightkill? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 08 2012 00:46 Forumite wrote: I think ShiaoPi is a Goblin What´s the point of watcher and tracker? DT is easy, check someone you think is scum. Watcher and Tracker just seem like weaker versions of a DT, with many false positive results. Are there any advantages? Do Scum decide on their own who among them carries out the nightkill? I suppose one possible advantage of a Watcher over a DT is that a Watcher can watch one person and has 2 chances (kill/roleblock) to catch someone visiting them. Relatedly, and it should go without saying but sometimes I see people not adhere to this, everyone must let town know when they've been roleblocked. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
I can agree with your thoughts about the roleclaims, but I have a question about the 1+ Lynches. In your 2nd example you say that we can get an extralynch off if we lynch 2 instead of 1 at 6 vs 1 wouldn't it end still in 2 cycles as the night following a double mislynch would be 4-1. with the subsequent nighthit it gets to 3-1 and another mislynch ends the game as it will be 1-1 after the NK. Just my maths being wrong or an oversight from your side? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On August 08 2012 00:39 sciberbia wrote: Hello everyone! Top of the morning to ya :D First thing's first: I can truthfully report that I have rolled Dwarf, so I'll try my utmost to root out this nasty Goblin infiltration, protect our fortress's stock of booze, and avenge our fallen leaders: Qatol and UristMcUrist! As per usual, I hope to convince you all of my righteous alignment by way of some successful scumhunting. Let's hammer us some goblins! Hear this man! Our first order of business is to dam the river so it dries up, to avenge the murder of Urist McUrist! Then we must desecrate the rotting corpse of Incognito, the murderer of Qatol! Then what? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On August 08 2012 00:46 Forumite wrote: I think ShiaoPi is a Goblin What´s the point of watcher and tracker? DT is easy, check someone you think is scum. Watcher and Tracker just seem like weaker versions of a DT, with many false positive results. Are there any advantages? Do Scum decide on their own who among them carries out the nightkill? yes. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 08 2012 00:50 marvellosity wrote: I suppose one possible advantage of a Watcher over a DT is that a Watcher can watch one person and has 2 chances (kill/roleblock) to catch someone visiting them. Relatedly, and it should go without saying but sometimes I see people not adhere to this, everyone must let town know when they've been roleblocked. hum, Can mafia roleblocker roleblock and kill, or must the duties be separated? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Just saw I got ninja'ed: On August 08 2012 00:46 Forumite wrote: I think ShiaoPi is a Goblin What´s the point of watcher and tracker? DT is easy, check someone you think is scum. Watcher and Tracker just seem like weaker versions of a DT, with many false positive results. Are there any advantages? Do Scum decide on their own who among them carries out the nightkill? What makes you think so? Watcher/Tracker are probably weaker than DT. Speculating on them being in the possible setups does not get us far though imo. Maybe for balance purposes but as marv points out the watcher at least has 2 things to watch. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I'm really looking forward to a bit of the dwarf fortress staple -- !!FUN!! @ShiaoPi: The point is, that after the first 2 mislynches it puts you in LYLO. Then you can vote 2 people again, and as long as 1 of the two people you vote that last day is scum, you win. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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